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daytripper wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 02:05:17 GMT, Rob Stow wrote: Robert Hancock wrote: Lem wrote: Do all Dell PCs (for the UK market) come with Dell's own motherboards? I am thinking of getting a Dell but I don't want to find that it uses a Dell proprietary motherboard that may have little technical data available. ISTR hearing that Dell used a non-standad wiring on the 20 or 24 pin mobo power connector. And I imagine there may be several other Dell quirks. They don't make their own boards, but they do have boards made for them (usually by Intel) Intel hasn't made a motherboard for about 6 years now ! Really? So these two dual-Prestonia/Lindenhurst server boards that we got from Intel (one is a "Roadrunner" and the other is a "Coyote") don't actually exist? Wow - that's a scary reality! ;-) You weren't paying attention. I didn't say Intel wasn't selling motherboards - I said they weren't /making/ them. There was a big hubbub in the IT/tech news about it at the time - how could everyone have forgotten already ? Possibly because it wasn't true? /daytripper |
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"Venom" wrote in message ... Anybody that buys a brand name computer is an idiot. Let's see, now. I've built about 20 PCs in my time. Yet, recently, I have chosen to buy in some Dell PCs for the office. One reason might be that I am, as you say, an idiot. The other reason might be that the Dells do the job I need for the office, and they cost 20% less to buy in ready-built than the price at which I can buy the parts. Your generalisation is a bit idiotic. |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:22:22 GMT, Rob Stow wrote:
daytripper wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 02:05:17 GMT, Rob Stow wrote: Intel hasn't made a motherboard for about 6 years now ! Really? So these two dual-Prestonia/Lindenhurst server boards that we got from Intel (one is a "Roadrunner" and the other is a "Coyote") don't actually exist? Wow - that's a scary reality! ;-) You weren't paying attention. I didn't say Intel wasn't selling motherboards - I said they weren't /making/ them. Define "make". Do you mean simply that Intel doesn't have any board shops of their own and thus contracts out fab and assembly? If that's it, I must have missed what significance was being attached... /daytripper |
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you are an idiot.
say you've got an enterprise company. you supply them with a large quantity of desktop pcs you've built yourself. these may end up at various sites, being used at weekends and holidays. you're going to support them all, are you? on site response with a guaranteed SLA? you can guarantee exactly the same configuration will be available for a minimum of say, 3 years, so that their IT guys can standardise a build image for them, are you? i build all my own systems and a lot for other people, but for corporate use you want something with a low Total Cost of Ownership, not just cheap. ric |
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daytripper wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:22:22 GMT, Rob Stow wrote: daytripper wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 02:05:17 GMT, Rob Stow wrote: Intel hasn't made a motherboard for about 6 years now ! Really? So these two dual-Prestonia/Lindenhurst server boards that we got from Intel (one is a "Roadrunner" and the other is a "Coyote") don't actually exist? Wow - that's a scary reality! ;-) You weren't paying attention. I didn't say Intel wasn't selling motherboards - I said they weren't /making/ them. Define "make". Do you mean simply that Intel doesn't have any board shops of their own and thus contracts out fab and assembly? That is what I meant. However, I should have qualified it a bit. Intel no longer makes boards for x86 but I have no idea if they make any for Itanic. If that's it, I must have missed what significance was being attached... The significance goes back to someone else's statement that Intel makes motherboards for Dell. Intel contracts out - just like Dell. As a matter of fact, the reasons Intel cited for getting out of the x86 motherboard market were low profit margins combined with their failure to land any of the big OEMs as a customer. |
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"Lem" wrote in message ... On 04 Jan 2005, Tx2 wrote: ISTR that reliability too is better than average Than average what? Dell's reliability is often said to better than the average. See: 17th Annual Reader Satisfaction Survey http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1623585,00.asp click on links like 'Survey Results' ....."often said to better than the average" - cute phrase, ...says - not a lot. From the article: "As you peruse the results, you'll see that no company is beyond reproach. Each is guilty of selling machines that need repair and providing poor technical support at times. The leading vendors-Apple in the desktop and notebook categories, Dell in desktops and servers, and IBM in notebooks-are those that keep criticism to a minimum." ......"keep criticism to a minimum" - how does that tranlate into MTBF? also: "Unfortunately, phone support is also among the most expensive support methods. In order to cut costs, many vendors have moved call centers overseas. Big vendors Dell, HP, Gateway, and Toshiba all use at least some foreign call centers, and many readers complain of difficulty communicating with technicians." I especially liked: "Unlike many of its competitors, IBM refuses to use overseas technicians, and its tech-support scores are impressive. Readers give IBM a 7.0 overall score for desktop tech support and a 7.6 for notebooks. They rate IBM support techs' ability to comprehend user problems and to speak in a clear, understandable manner at least a point higher than they do Dell, HP, Sony, and Toshiba techs." ..... does that translate into "no one ever got fired for buying an IBM" ))))))))) Pete Out of interest - how much does Dell charge for a fifteen quid (thirty buck) PSU? |
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DaveW wrote: Dell uses PROPRIETARY motherboards. They are NOT standard. The Dell I worked on yesterday (~1yr old) had a standard mATX motherboard, with 2 unusual features: 1, the CPU cooler consisted of a green plastic duct over the metalwork led to a 120 mm fan on the rear, nice and quiet. 2, No AGP socket - the solder pads are there on the board, but no socket. This one had onboard graphics. If you wanted to upgrade to decent graphics you'd have to use a PCI card. As far as I can see, they now use standard ATX power supplies (they didn't used to). |
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:03:14 -0000, Tx2
wrote: snip Sourcing and installing still apply with the Dell (let alone how long you take checking and double checking the specs before you hit "BUY") Of course, you haven't factored in the time you'd spend on the phone to Dell trying to convince them an engineer is needed when it goes wrong, with them arguing the toss, etc etc etc. Of course it depends too on the service level you have purchased and the system. i.e. I would tend to go for Dell and the like for servers where you can just phone up and say "I want an engineer over here in 4 hrs", swap the unit out if necessary and install a system backup rather than spending a day with the server down. For a small business where the IT person is the secretary who knows how to swap tapes over and thats about it, this sort of service level is a reasonable compromise over having a company on retainer for call out support. As you say though getting an engineer out can sometimes be problematic. I've been finding their call center problematic at times. -- Gamma gamma gamma chameleon You come and glow, you come and glow. Kick out the cats before you reply |
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