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Is Celeron a bad choice for a notebook processor?
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If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: 1. Celeron 2. Pentium 4 3. Mobile Pentium 4 4. Pentium M It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and Pentium M? I'm thinking about picking up an Inspiron 1100 for the wife. She leaves it plugged in almost all the time so battery life is not really an issue. When she does take it in the car, I have an inverter that will power it. So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. It seems like there are a lot of Inspiron 1100's on Ebay. Brand new. Is there something wrong with them? She has an Inspiron 3800 which has NEVER held a charge for more than an hour (even when it was brand new). Am I stupid for given Dell another chance to give me a bad product? Thanks! John |
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In comp.sys.laptops John wrote:
: Hi, : If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: : 1. Celeron : 2. Pentium 4 : 3. Mobile Pentium 4 : 4. Pentium M : It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more : expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the : lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and : Pentium M? I don't think Pentium 4M (Mobile Pentium 4) is really going to save a lot of heat or battery power. If that's your big concern, go with Pentium M. : So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a : laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. A Pentium 4/4M should be a little faster than a Celeron due to larger on-chip caches and faster memory speeds (I don't think Celeron uses DDR RAM, either). But don't sell Celeron short. If your wife isn't a power user, a Celeron will be fine. I have a 2GHZ Celeron in my Toshiba notebook and I am very happy with it (it runs some CPU-intense image conversion faster than my 1.8GHZ Pentium 4 desktop does). My machine is very snappy and fast. Just make sure other specs are in order. Make sure you get at least 512MB of RAM (or make sure you can easily add it). Consider a laptop that allows you to add an internal (mini-PCI) wireless card also. If your wife likes computer games, make sure the laptop does not use shared video RAM and has dedicated video RAM instead. Even if you aren't worried about battery use, some of the sleek new Centrino (w/Pentium M) machines are cool. Centrino allows for smaller, lighter designs. Check a few of them out. I bought my machine at Costco FYI - they have a great 6-month "no questions asked" return policy. Never needed it - my Toshiba has been great. Andrew -- ---- Portland, Oregon, USA ---- ************************************************** ***************** ---- http://www.bizave.com ---- Photo Albums and Portland Info ---- To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address ************************************************** ***************** |
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The only difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 is in the cache
circuit. The Celeron has less cache, and the "associativity" of the cache is different and not as good. this reduces performance by a variable amount, but on average about 15% to 20%. There's nothing wrong with a Celeron, it's a bit slower than a P4 of the same speed, but not catastrophically so. John wrote: Hi, If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: 1. Celeron 2. Pentium 4 3. Mobile Pentium 4 4. Pentium M It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and Pentium M? I'm thinking about picking up an Inspiron 1100 for the wife. She leaves it plugged in almost all the time so battery life is not really an issue. When she does take it in the car, I have an inverter that will power it. So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. It seems like there are a lot of Inspiron 1100's on Ebay. Brand new. Is there something wrong with them? She has an Inspiron 3800 which has NEVER held a charge for more than an hour (even when it was brand new). Am I stupid for given Dell another chance to give me a bad product? Thanks! John |
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"I don't think Celeron uses DDR RAM, either"
The memory type is determined by the chipset, not the CPU. Celerons can be used in ANY application in which a P4 of the same fabrication family and FSB can be used, because in reality a modern Celeron IS a P4, the differences are internal (in the cache system) and are not even externally visible. There are neither different CPUs (either P4's or Celerons) for SDRAM nor DDR nor, for that matter, even Rambus RDRAM. There are just different chipsets. Many Celeron notebooks use the very same motherboard for both Pentium 4 models and Celeron models, with DDR memory. A good example of a Celeron Notebook that uses DDR is the Toshiba 1415 series. Andrew wrote: In comp.sys.laptops John wrote: : Hi, : If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: : 1. Celeron : 2. Pentium 4 : 3. Mobile Pentium 4 : 4. Pentium M : It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more : expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the : lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and : Pentium M? I don't think Pentium 4M (Mobile Pentium 4) is really going to save a lot of heat or battery power. If that's your big concern, go with Pentium M. : So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a : laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. A Pentium 4/4M should be a little faster than a Celeron due to larger on-chip caches and faster memory speeds (I don't think Celeron uses DDR RAM, either). But don't sell Celeron short. If your wife isn't a power user, a Celeron will be fine. I have a 2GHZ Celeron in my Toshiba notebook and I am very happy with it (it runs some CPU-intense image conversion faster than my 1.8GHZ Pentium 4 desktop does). My machine is very snappy and fast. Just make sure other specs are in order. Make sure you get at least 512MB of RAM (or make sure you can easily add it). Consider a laptop that allows you to add an internal (mini-PCI) wireless card also. If your wife likes computer games, make sure the laptop does not use shared video RAM and has dedicated video RAM instead. Even if you aren't worried about battery use, some of the sleek new Centrino (w/Pentium M) machines are cool. Centrino allows for smaller, lighter designs. Check a few of them out. I bought my machine at Costco FYI - they have a great 6-month "no questions asked" return policy. Never needed it - my Toshiba has been great. Andrew -- ---- Portland, Oregon, USA ---- ************************************************** ***************** ---- http://www.bizave.com ---- Photo Albums and Portland Info ---- To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address ************************************************** ***************** |
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"John" wrote in message
om... Hi, If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: 1. Celeron 2. Pentium 4 3. Mobile Pentium 4 4. Pentium M It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and Pentium M? I'm thinking about picking up an Inspiron 1100 for the wife. She leaves it plugged in almost all the time so battery life is not really an issue. When she does take it in the car, I have an inverter that will power it. So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. It seems like there are a lot of Inspiron 1100's on Ebay. Brand new. Is there something wrong with them? She has an Inspiron 3800 which has NEVER held a charge for more than an hour (even when it was brand new). Am I stupid for given Dell another chance to give me a bad product? Thanks! John It's not just battery life that is an issue - it's heat and noise. Consider that normal PCs are often annoyingly noisy when stuck under the desk imagine how loud it can get sitting on top of the desk. Many users complain that notebooks with desktop processors sound like jet engines and many have been known to shut down automatically because they get so hot. My advice - stay far away from notebooks with desktop processors. There are sound reasons why CPU manufacturers design chips especially for notebooks. If you're looking to save money then consider a notebook with a Mobile AMD AthlonXP processor. Similar to P4-M performance at a Celeron price. Try the HP-Compaq nx9005 starting from US$924. My flatmate's got one and it ran office for 3.5 hrs on the battery, is silent, doesn't get hot on your lap and runs 2D apps and DVD movies with ease. -- Falkon |
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"John" wrote in message om... Hi, If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: 1. Celeron 2. Pentium 4 3. Mobile Pentium 4 4. Pentium M It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and Pentium M? I'm thinking about picking up an Inspiron 1100 for the wife. She leaves it plugged in almost all the time so battery life is not really an issue. When she does take it in the car, I have an inverter that will power it. So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. It seems like there are a lot of Inspiron 1100's on Ebay. Brand new. Is there something wrong with them? She has an Inspiron 3800 which has NEVER held a charge for more than an hour (even when it was brand new). Am I stupid for given Dell another chance to give me a bad product? Thanks! John I have an Inspiron 1100 and its fine for everything I do... Ideally it should not be used on the lap because it is quite heavy. admittedly it is not COMPLETELY silent but it does not sound like a jet engine either!! desktop machines are much louder and i doubt u would be able to hear it and even in an environment that is completely silent, you will only hear a slight fan noise... the fan has 2 speeds, it will only go on the high speed when the CPU is being used extensively (eg. for playing games), otherwise it is always set to low (which is barely audible). its very fast with 512 RAM and will handle ANY ordinary apps with no problems. 3D games will probly be beyond it due it its integrated graphics board but anything else will run well. if u intend to use a notebook on the road a bit, i suggest u dont go for the 1100 cos it is quite heavy to lug around... around 3kg+. however, portability around the house, occasional travel.... the 1100 is fine. |
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A Celeron cpu is not a bad thing and was a good choice
in the P3 days as the old ice code did not have the problems of the new P4 infinite pipeline which has much longer data pipes that the smaller cache can not handle very well so a big hit on cpu speed In fact the celeron P4 1.7gig was out preformed in all benchmarks I did by my older P3 1.2gig celeron "John" wrote in message om... Hi, If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: 1. Celeron 2. Pentium 4 3. Mobile Pentium 4 4. Pentium M It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and Pentium M? I'm thinking about picking up an Inspiron 1100 for the wife. She leaves it plugged in almost all the time so battery life is not really an issue. When she does take it in the car, I have an inverter that will power it. So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. It seems like there are a lot of Inspiron 1100's on Ebay. Brand new. Is there something wrong with them? She has an Inspiron 3800 which has NEVER held a charge for more than an hour (even when it was brand new). Am I stupid for given Dell another chance to give me a bad product? Thanks! John |
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"rpga" wrote in message ... A Celeron cpu is not a bad thing and was a good choice in the P3 days as the old ice code did not have the problems of the new P4 infinite pipeline which has much longer data pipes that the smaller cache can not handle very well so a big hit on cpu speed In fact the celeron P4 1.7gig was out preformed in all benchmarks I did by my older P3 1.2gig celeron "Pat, I'd like to buy some punctuation." --Eric "John" wrote in message om... Hi, If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: 1. Celeron 2. Pentium 4 3. Mobile Pentium 4 4. Pentium M It seems like a Mobile Pentium 4 or Pentium M is substantially more expensive than a Celeron or Pentium 4. I assume this is because of the lower heat and increased battery life of the Mobile Pentium 4 and Pentium M? I'm thinking about picking up an Inspiron 1100 for the wife. She leaves it plugged in almost all the time so battery life is not really an issue. When she does take it in the car, I have an inverter that will power it. So what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium 4 in a laptop? The Pentium 4 seems to be roughly $100 more. It seems like there are a lot of Inspiron 1100's on Ebay. Brand new. Is there something wrong with them? She has an Inspiron 3800 which has NEVER held a charge for more than an hour (even when it was brand new). Am I stupid for given Dell another chance to give me a bad product? Thanks! John |
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Regarding your old 3800... I had mine for over three years, and it got lots of use as my primary work machine both on the road and the office. It even went along on some vacations as a DVD player. I recently replaced it with an I8500, as it was time to move up. In all that time it gave dependable service and good battery life (couple hours no problem). It still works well enough that we are now using it as a low-end FTP server in the office. Depending on what the machine is used it for, (word processing, web, etc.) I would not knock the Celeron.. Funny, I had a desktop Celeron 300 and when I overclocked it to 450, it actually benched faster than my friend's Pentium 450 by a small margin, thought not sure why. On the other hand, if a Pentium of comparable speed is available for a difference of $100, I'd go for it. Just remenber the standard Pentium 4 (not 'M' or Mobile or Centrino) will run batteries down faster. My new I8500 has a 2.2GHz Pentium 4M and I noticed that it was running as low as 285MHz during idle (due to Speedstep)... that's gonna save some battery time. Good Luck in your purchase.. Pat "John" wrote in message om... Hi, If I want an Intel based notebook I think these are my options: |
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