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Dye ink
Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die
printer ? I'm in all sorts of trouble. At the outset I wanted to avoid the many cleaning cycles when I refilled my cartridges so I bought a continues ink system and at the same time I changed to pigment ink to avoid fading pictures. I have had to demount the continues system and return to refilling cartridges but I have lost the yellow color. I now use a Cannon Pixma ip5300. I destroyed my Epson Stylus Photo 950 in the process and got upset with the prises and availability of print heads for Epson. I have also bought a One Eye for making icc profiles to facilitate the different inks on different types of paper. |
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"Hans Jørgen" wrote in message
oups.com... Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? Generally no. Pigment ink requires more servicing, which is generally controlled by firmware and is not user controllable. Dye inks and pigment inks will likely have different viscosity and thermal properties, and will have different color properties. Regards, Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging |
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On 5 Aug., 09:21, "Bob Headrick" wrote:
"Hans Jørgen" wrote in message oups.com... Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? Generally no. Pigment ink requires more servicing, which is generally controlled by firmware and is not user controllable. Dye inks and pigment inks will likely have different viscosity and thermal properties, and will have different color properties. Regards, Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging Thank you for the answer I don't understand why the yellow is the only color not working. What raut should I go to continu refill inkcartridges and get lasting color for a 100th of the price compared to the manufactures solution. Are there dye inks out there that are color fast and availabel in bulk ? |
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Yellow ink is difficult to make in a pigment ink. Trying to produce a
yellow that has good coverage, fade resistance, is bright and has the necessary density and yet doesn't cause metamerism is tricky, and they sometimes have a problem with settling and clumping because more solid matter is required to maintain the characteristics the other colors have. That makes them more likely to clog. The earlier Durabrite yellow inks were the weak line in that ink set and were replaced with less light resistant pigments due to metamerism. Art Hans Jørgen wrote: On 5 Aug., 09:21, "Bob Headrick" wrote: "Hans Jørgen" wrote in message groups.com... Is there anybody out there who knows if pigment ought to work in a die printer ? Generally no. Pigment ink requires more servicing, which is generally controlled by firmware and is not user controllable. Dye inks and pigment inks will likely have different viscosity and thermal properties, and will have different color properties. Regards, Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging Thank you for the answer I don't understand why the yellow is the only color not working. What raut should I go to continu refill inkcartridges and get lasting color for a 100th of the price compared to the manufactures solution. Are there dye inks out there that are color fast and availabel in bulk ? |
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Meta-what??
RS |
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Some reading for you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamerism_(color) Art Richard Steinfeld wrote: Meta-what?? RS |
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It appears that you may have damaged the printhead on your Canon in your
quest to save money on ink. If you want quality to the point where you are willing to buy a print profiler why would you skimp on ink? It is also not clear why you are so concerned about fading prints. Do you think yours are going to be hanging in the Louvre for the next 200 years? Pantone used to sell pigment inks for use in the Epson 1280: the Pantone cartridges cost more than the Epsons and voided the warranty on the printer. Your quest is making you penny wise and dollar foolish? |
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babaloo wrote:
It appears that you may have damaged the printhead on your Canon in your quest to save money on ink. If you want quality to the point where you are willing to buy a print profiler why would you skimp on ink? It is also not clear why you are so concerned about fading prints. Do you think yours are going to be hanging in the Louvre for the next 200 years? Pantone used to sell pigment inks for use in the Epson 1280: the Pantone cartridges cost more than the Epsons and voided the warranty on the printer. Your quest is making you penny wise and dollar foolish? No after market ink will ever void any warranty on any printer in the US. Frank |
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Dye ink
That is simply not true.
Some inkjet printers have the printhead in the consumable, others have permanent printheads, the consumable is just an "ink tank" and there are tubes from the tank to the permanent printhead. A manufacturer has every right to rightfully void the warranty of a printer with permanent printheads that are genuinely destroyed by a 3rd party ink, and they do it. On the other hand, the only permanent damage that a consumable with a built-in printhead can do is to leak inside the printer and create a mess, and this doesn't happen often. Frank wrote: No after market ink will ever void any warranty on any printer in the US. Frank |
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Dye ink
"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
... That is simply not true. Some inkjet printers have the printhead in the consumable, others have permanent printheads, the consumable is just an "ink tank" and there are tubes from the tank to the permanent printhead. A manufacturer has every right to rightfully void the warranty of a printer with permanent printheads that are genuinely destroyed by a 3rd party ink, and they do it. On the other hand, the only permanent damage that a consumable with a built-in printhead can do is to leak inside the printer and create a mess, and this doesn't happen often. Barry - Except for a new model with the printhead in the cartridge (is this what you reference as the consumable?), Canon printheads are user removable and replaceable (although sometimes at about the cost of a replacement printer). The "ink tanks" sit directly on the printhead and feed into it. No tubes. I have read that in the US there are laws that prevent a printer company from voiding a warranty because you used aftermarket inks. Has to do with a company not forcing you to use their consumables as a condition of honoring a warranty. Using the wrong inks could conceivably ruin a permanant printhead. I would expect that using pigment-based inks in an Epson (printhead not replaceable by the consumer) that is designed for dye-based inks might permanantly clog the nozzles and render the printer not economically repairable. Refilling carts for a Canon dye-based printer with pigment-based inks would probably cost you an easily replaced printhead. HP printers with the printhead on the ink cartridge would not be harmed by the use of inks which could damage the printhead. You would just replace the ink cartridge which comes with a new printhead. |
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