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#1
June 24th 07, 08:15 PM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
Hi,
~ I recently bought a MAXTOR STM3320620A (the 300Gb one) that was on sale on compusa for some $88 ~ The first thing I did with it was running smartmontools on it (http:// smartmontools.sourceforge.net) ~ sh-3.1# smartctl -a /dev/hda smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ ~ and I found the results of running truly scary ~ SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 116 100 006 Pre-fail Always - 104095144 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 096 096 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 5 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 060 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 1001493 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 187 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 Unknown_Attribute 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Unknown_Attribute 0x0022 059 057 045 Old_age Always - 723517481 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 041 043 000 Old_age Always - 41 (Lifetime Min/Max 0/32) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 068 065 000 Old_age Always - 34277342 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 202 TA_Increase_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 ~ I have heard manufactures "mean" something different by the numbers What do these numbers actually mean for a MAXTOR? ~ Which other manufacturers give a little meaning to their SMART reports? ~ This is probably why they were selling them with such a discount. Should I just return the disk? ~ thanks lbrtchx 
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#3
June 24th 07, 10:22 PM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:15:35 -0700,
wrote: This is probably why they were selling them with such a discount. No, you just can't take some 3rd party tool and assume you are getting useful information from it. In other words, do not use this utility then think on the results. Should I just return the disk? Possibly but not because of that utility, rather because you can get a 400GB for about $80 or a 500GB for about $100. For example here's a deal (but like all sale prices, you may miss out if you wait, they'll sell out), http://www.frys.com/product/4596287
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#4
June 25th 07, 01:52 AM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:15:35 -0700, lbrtchx wrote:
Hi, ~ I recently bought a MAXTOR STM3320620A (the 300Gb one) that was on sale on compusa for some $88 ~ The first thing I did with it was running smartmontools on it (http:// smartmontools.sourceforge.net) ~ sh-3.1# smartctl -a /dev/hda smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ ~ and I found the results of running truly scary ~ SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 116 100 006 Pre-fail Always - 104095144 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 096 096 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 5 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 060 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 1001493 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 187 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 Unknown_Attribute 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Unknown_Attribute 0x0022 059 057 045 Old_age Always - 723517481 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 041 043 000 Old_age Always - 41 (Lifetime Min/Max 0/32) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 068 065 000 Old_age Always - 34277342 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 202 TA_Increase_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 ~ I have heard manufactures "mean" something different by the numbers What do these numbers actually mean for a MAXTOR? ~ Which other manufacturers give a little meaning to their SMART reports? ~ This is probably why they were selling them with such a discount. Should I just return the disk? ~ thanks lbrtchx I don't know how to interpret the data, but just ran smartctl (vers 5.37, under FC-6) on two Seagate drives (80 GB and 120 GB) which have been in service only a few months and am seeing exactly the same entries in the "TYPE" column as you show. I also ran it on a FC-3 system with a couple of very old drives. One tip-off is that ID#9 Power_On_Hours has "Old_age" in that column for the new 120 GB Seagate with 794 hours as well as an ancient 30 GB Western Digital with 51695 hours, so is not any judgment about the drive. Without any further understanding of the data, my _guess_ is that the spooky things we're seeing in that column have no bearing on the actual health of the drive, and that your drive is probably OK. Regards, Charles Sullivan
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#5
June 25th 07, 06:13 AM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
On Jun 24, 12:15 pm, wrote:
Hi, ~ I recently bought a MAXTOR STM3320620A (the 300Gb one) that was on sale on compusa for some $88 ~ The first thing I did with it was running smartmontools on it (http:// smartmontools.sourceforge.net) ~ sh-3.1# smartctl -a /dev/hda smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen Home page ishttp://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ ~ and I found the results of running truly scary ~ SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 116 100 006 Pre-fail Always - 104095144 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 096 096 000 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 5 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 060 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 1001493 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 187 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 189 Unknown_Attribute 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Unknown_Attribute 0x0022 059 057 045 Old_age Always - 723517481 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 041 043 000 Old_age Always - 41 (Lifetime Min/Max 0/32) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 068 065 000 Old_age Always - 34277342 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 202 TA_Increase_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 ~ I have heard manufactures "mean" something different by the numbers What do these numbers actually mean for a MAXTOR? ~ Which other manufacturers give a little meaning to their SMART reports? ~ This is probably why they were selling them with such a discount. Should I just return the disk? ~ thanks lbrtchx I am suspicous of this program, as "spin up time" is one of those values that's always passing. HOWEVER, i would take the time to run Maxtor's hard drive diagnostic, and see what it says.
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#6
June 25th 07, 06:58 AM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
kony wrote
wrote you just can't take some 3rd party tool and assume you are getting useful information from it. You can when its just getting the SMART data from the drive. In other words, do not use this utility then think on the results. Mindlessly silly with the SMART data from the drive.
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#7
June 25th 07, 07:21 AM
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#8
June 25th 07, 10:35 AM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
Whoever writes:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, wrote: Hi, ~ I recently bought a MAXTOR STM3320620A (the 300Gb one) that was on sale on compusa for some $88 ~ The first thing I did with it was running smartmontools on it (http:// smartmontools.sourceforge.net) ~ sh-3.1# smartctl -a /dev/hda smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 9 Looks like this is not a new disk. It's 9 power-on hours old. 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 9 Once again, does not look like it is new. And he has power cycled the machine 9 times. 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 068 065 000 Old_age Always - 34277342 Looks scary, but I don't think this is really an issue. Some disk types seem to report very high numbers for this value. The raw numbers are sometimes very strange; in that case look at the VALUE and WORST numbers, which should be 100, 200, or 255 at best. There are no reallocated sectors reported, and IMHO, this is the key value to watch for impending failure. It's one count that predicts failure. For more information, read the following paper: @InProceedings{pinheiro+07, author = {Eduardo Pinheiro and Wolf-Dietrich Weber and Luiz Andr\'e Barroso}, title = {Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population}, booktitle = {5th USENIX Conference on File and Storage Technologies (FAST '07)}, OPTpages = {}, year = {2007}, month = feb, annote = {Reports data on the correlation of various hard disk properties (in particular SMART output) with their failure probability, based on $100,000$ drives installed at Google. The paper mentions that drive model, manufacturer and vintage plays a role, but does not give data on model and manufacturer. Utilization and temperature did not play a big role in failure probability (but the drives were not run at really high temperatures (few above 45C). From the SMART data, scan errors, reallocations, offline reallocations and probational counts were significantly correlated with failure probability, whereas seek errors, calibration retries and spin retries had little significance. But on more than half of the failed drives, the four strong indicators mentioned above had no counts.} } Followups set to comp.os.linux.hardware. - anton -- M. Anton Ertl Some things have to be seen to be believed Most things have to be believed to be seen http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
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#9
June 25th 07, 02:42 PM
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scary results after running smartmontools on a MAXTOR STM3320620A
Previously kony wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:15:35 -0700, wrote: This is probably why they were selling them with such a discount. No, you just can't take some 3rd party tool and assume you are getting useful information from it. In other words, do not use this utility then think on the results. This is complete nonsense. Of course you can use any SMART tool to read SMART attributes. Arno
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June 25th 07, 02:43 PM
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