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Automatic wire strippers!
These were not available "40 years ago". Nor must you "get the wire into
the right hole". Apparently this idiot cannot follow a link and does not even know what tool it is talking about... -- Michael Black et472 ncf.ca wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.xcski.com !ncf.ca!not-for-mail From: Michael Black et472 ncf.ca Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Subject: Automatic wire strippers! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 00:02:46 -0400 Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 83 Sender: et472 mtrlpq4362w-lp140-02-65-94-148-220.dsl.bell.ca Message-ID: alpine.LNX.2.02.1704142356340.7080 darkstar.example.org References: ocmcis$1b8$1 dont-email.me el856hFr2bkU1 mid.individual.net ocooou$2u4$1 dont-email.me ocp0km$uo7$1 dont-email.me NNTP-Posting-Host: mtrlpq4362w-lp140-02-65-94-148-220.dsl.bell.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Trace: theodyn.ncf.ca 1492228462 14327 65.94.148.220 (15 Apr 2017 03:54:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2017 03:54:22 GMT In-Reply-To: ocp0km$uo7$1 dont-email.me User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LNX 1266 2009-07-14) Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:35970 On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Paul wrote: John Doe wrote: VanguardLH V nguard.LH wrote: http://www.irwin.com/tools/pliers-ad...wrenches/self- adjusting-wire-stripper https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-VISE-GR...ting-Stripper- 2078300/dp/B000OQ21CA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492117062&sr=8-3 &keywords=Self-Adjusting+Wire+Stripper Tried it on some regular power cord wire. Wonderful. I so wish I had this decades ago. Then again, it wasn't available decades ago. Not that I do that much, but it would have been so much nicer. Wire stripping has always been a hassle. I do not like losing a strand or two of stranded wire. Apparently this tool does not damage the wire. Automatic wire strippers have existed for a long time. We had a pair at work. Only problem with them was: 1) Price. They charged "industrial" prices for them. 2) Probably didn't work quite as well as the one you got. They look like a good idea, which is why I've had a set for almost 40 years, getting it for Christmas one year. But they don't work out the same way. You get used to using cutters to strip off insulation, getting the depth right, and it's relatively easy. You do have to fuss with automatic wire strippers, to get the wire into the right hole (though some use some other method like a plastic razor blad or something so you don't have to fit the wire into the hole). But the biggest issue is they don't work where they might best be used. If you have a short piece of wire, it's hard to hold the wire and then the cutters to get the insulation off. But if the wire is too short, the tool hasn't got enough space to hold the wire, either. I thought they'd be great if you needed to strip a piece of wire already soldered into a circuit, where again you may not get a tight grip on the wire, and the soldered joint isn't strong enough to hold as you strip. But the auto wire strippers are big, and use up a lot of space in operation, and that limits their use in tight chassis. So after a period of using them, I exiled them to the back of the tool drawer, a neat idea that doesn't work out so well in everyday use. I suppose if I was stripping a lot of wire of the same length, they might be useful. Michael I played with ours at work, but felt no attraction to them. They were a novelty item in the tool chest. I did most of my work with this style. http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...Stripper-Wire/ Everyone has probably seen this kind, and these suck. It takes a good deal of practice to keep the wire nicking to a minimum. I used these for some number of years as a hobbyist, before I got my first T-5 style stripper. The non-automated ones still take practice, but the ones in the following picture make the practice brutal. I expect a lot of people, this is all they had on sale at the hardware store. http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/ma...9937p.html#srp And there are all sorts of insulation types, each with their own foibles. Not every wire stripping job is easy. Paul |
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Automatic wire strippers!
VanguardLH Sat,
15 Apr 2017 06:42:01 GMT in alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, wrote: not the end-all to all education. As I mentioned, I've watched REAL electricians (humans, not videos) doing their jobs for decades. So, you aren't actually an electrician either then? Do you have any certs/license in the electrical/IT trades? I've yet, in all that time, seen one take out a pair of auto-strippers when they are ON THE JOB and using the tools they toted with them. I'm sorry, but, whatever you've personally seen doesn't matter. I've used them, other electricians I know personally have used them. *shrug* I don't know how many electricians you've seen do their jobs, but, you seem to be viewing a very limited sample. Are they all by chance union? Auto-strippers are something they use back at their static workplace. At a workbench with lots of toolboxes or cabinets or pegboards, you can have loads of tools. Yes, and no. We use them there, we use them on the jobsite, too! It depends on the situation we find ourselves in... -- I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet. Please be patient. I will get to you shortly. |
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Automatic wire strippers!
Michael Black
xample.org Sat, 15 Apr 2017 04:02:46 GMT in alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, wrote: But they don't work out the same way. It depends on the style of automatic stripper. Some have several holes for each ga wire they support and you slip the wire in, much like you do the old school strippers. Another style has no such holes, it has an area that 'holds' the wire, and another which has an upper/lower blade and this pulls the insulation free. You do have to fuss with automatic wire strippers, to get the wire into the right hole (though some use some other method like a plastic razor blad or something so you don't have to fit the wire into the hole). I haven't seen plastic ones...Only metal. But the biggest issue is they don't work where they might best be used. If you have a short piece of wire, it's hard to hold the wire and then the cutters to get the insulation off. But if the wire is too short, the tool hasn't got enough space to hold the wire, either. That depends on the specific automatic stripper, too. Some are physically smaller than others. Some have bulkier 'heads' as a result of having multiple holes for the GA of wire you intend to strip. I thought they'd be great if you needed to strip a piece of wire already soldered into a circuit, where again you may not get a tight grip on the wire, and the soldered joint isn't strong enough to hold as you strip. But the auto wire strippers are big, and use up a lot of space in operation, and that limits their use in tight chassis. Depending on the ones you've got, they are great for this purpose. So after a period of using them, I exiled them to the back of the tool drawer, a neat idea that doesn't work out so well in everyday use. So you've got a single pair, and, you base your decision concerning all of them on that? I suppose if I was stripping a lot of wire of the same length, they might be useful. That they are! Most certainly. Especially if you have panel makeup work to do. -- I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet. Please be patient. I will get to you shortly. |
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Automatic wire strippers!
I like them not just because they are faster and easier, but
also because they do a better job. I knew that immediately when I borrowed them because the wire I stripped was extremely thin stranded, thinner than telephone wires. Probably HDMI wire. No experience, no instruction, and it stripped the wires without breaking any ultra thin strands. It even did a few wires at the same time. It was obvious. |
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Automatic wire strippers!
John Doe news
Wed, 26 Apr 2017 05:54:12 GMT in alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,
wrote: I like them not just because they are faster and easier, but also because they do a better job. I knew that immediately when I borrowed them because the wire I stripped was extremely thin stranded, thinner than telephone wires. Probably HDMI wire. No experience, no instruction, and it stripped the wires without breaking any ultra thin strands. It even did a few wires at the same time. It was obvious. I just got back from picking up an Etek Self adjusting wire stripper for under $20. I've been happy with their DMMs so far, despite them not being true RMS. It didn't disappoint me. I put a stranded, 14ga I think it is wire in it, and without any fine tuning adjustment whatsoever made a perfect! strip of the insulation. This one's a keeper, for sure. It doesn't have individual holes in a bulky strip head like some others I've seen, either. It has 3 bars top and bottom that can be adjusted which hold the wire, and a blade on the top and bottom on the other side that removes the insulation. I felt absolutely no pulling effect on the other end of the wire either. This will be fantastic for dealing with wires that are already soldered on something. Seems to be well built and sturdy, always a plus. I can see myself stripping wire much faster with this tool than I would be able my other manual strippers. I've got multiple sets of them, able to deal with very small ga wire; for telephone, etc. It's already in one of my toolboxes, along side one of the Etek manual voltage selection DMM units. I'm going to pair it with a fluke HV probe soon and give it a go. It meets the 10MOhm resistance requirement for the 1000:1 ratio for the probe. Spacing is just right for the banana pins too. Btw, I was price shopping the other day at lowes and home depot. Did you know Home depot is carrying KLEIN tools now? I see another clamp on meter in my not so distant future. G Lowes actually has a few Fluke DMMS, but, they're all auto voltage models. I don't want that, I prefer to manual select. -- I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet. Please be patient. I will get to you shortly. |
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Automatic wire strippers!
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:02:07 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote: Lowes actually has a few Fluke DMMS, but, they're all auto voltage models. I don't want that, I prefer to manual select. Bought this ... KeJie KJ-9208 Current/Voltage/Capacitance/Resistance/Temperature/Frequency Digital Multimeter from here ... http://www.dx.com/p/2-6-lcd-current-...8#.WQIEb3WLWWE The manual ... http://www.kjinstrument.com/support/ Ev..ery..thing, besides an obsequious audible continuity checker, baring of course the kitchen sink. Nickel/dime change for ab..so..lutely no complaints (same goes for a cheap workingman's Chinese soldering station - base not tip controlled temp settings. Mostly do Ebay viz Singapore's link to heartland industrial Chinese electronics, tho neither those items were and had to hunt them down old school). |
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Automatic wire strippers!
After a few uses... Not disappointed. Perhaps it is the
perfectionist in me, but I feel relieved to have no more broken strands of wire, besides being such an easy wire stripping operation. I do little wire stripping, but every time will be a treat from now on. Any young person who strips wires even occasionally would be an IDIOT for not buying the tool. -- I wrote: A few months ago, a friend let me use his IRWIN Self-Adjusting Wire Strippers. Sold! I figured they would be well over $50 but they are less than $20. Should have bought one when they were first available. Wish I had had one decades ago. Would have saved so much time and tremendous amount of hassle. That is a preliminary opinion based on one use. But it was 6-12 extremely thin (maybe 24-30 AWG) stranded wires and it did a great job, me having no experience and not even asking for instruction. Thick wire should be a breeze. I did not want to buy any more tools, would rather do computer stuff now, but that is an exception. The thing is not much more expensive than a lousy ordinary wire stripper. |
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Automatic wire strippers!
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:52:07 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote: After a few uses... Not disappointed. Perhaps it is the perfectionist in me, but I feel relieved to have no more broken strands of wire, besides being such an easy wire stripping operation. I do little wire stripping, but every time will be a treat from now on. Any young person who strips wires even occasionally would be an IDIOT for not buying the tool. Jewelry will cure that. (I've half-a-dozen pieces, where I took sapphires and rubies, polished and cut but unmounted stones, and had goldsmiths cast them from my own design drawings for the actual rings.) Just finished with a 10-year-old Casio watch, a Solar Atomic Wave Ceptor model equipped a resin band. The band buckles together, which I've grown to detest. The band uses watch-body resin holes for securement, within the middle of the pins: a feat Casio performed with , additionally, two tiny ] [ brackets supplants, to clasp as mounts, into the resin band, the two pins, normally supplied on conventional watch bodies as end-pin extremities. Buying the resin model band model thus was a mistake. A metal Casio band, a dubitable endeavor at best to procure, costs $70 for this type of watch;- a metal-equipped band on the same model, but for entire new watch, and band, runs $90 - $120 (basic Wave Ceptors);...whereas the original plastic resin replacement is $12 on Fleabay. I instead took a 25-year-old Speidel metal watch band, which twists at more extreme angles, more than other watch band, along with solid copper from indoor telephone wire, and mated the two. Of course jewelry involves soldering, fine jewelry, except if the jeweler turns down the job, should iron meet resin and the resin melt. Five pairs of pliers and three or four attempts (once with waxed leather threading) to get it right. Not that watches, jewelry, or stripping wire (I used a razor) are so critical. It's a bit like shoes for that matter. One out of fifty, a hundred people might notice you wear anything less than red sneakers, or a thin copper wire wrapped into your black watch band. Functionally, though, the Speidel is almost as perfect as heavy metal, Casio clasp bands, which I also like a lot for everyday convenience. |
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