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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
I'm building a new Socket A system with an nVidia Nforce2 chipset and DDR400 or DDR400-2 memory for use with Win98SE.
I've been looking at Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A CPUs. The Athlon XP has 512 cache vs. 256 with the Sempron. Also the Athlon runs at 400MHz Vs, 333MHz for the Sempron. I've read conflicting test reports, some saying that there is very little difference in performance between the two CPUs. The Athlons are getting very scarce and are running about twice as much as the Sempron Socket A CPUs. Any feedback? |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:47:54 -0800, * * Chas wrote:
I'm building a new Socket A system with an nVidia Nforce2 chipset and DDR400 or DDR400-2 memory for use with Win98SE. I've been looking at Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A CPUs. The Athlon XP has 512 cache vs. 256 with the Sempron. Also the Athlon runs at 400MHz Vs, 333MHz for the Sempron. AFAIK, they don't make a socket A Sempron 3300+, only socket 754. And it only has 128K L2 cache. L1 cache is the same on all AMD cpu's 64/64K for 128K. So someone is misleading you claiming 256K cache for the 3300+, since that includes the L1 cache. Including L1 cache, the 3200+ XP has 640K cache. If you want a socket A Sempron, get the 3000+. It's a barton core with 512K cache and a 12 multiplier with a default 166MHz FSB for 2000MHz default. Personally, I think you're wasting your money building a new socket A system whehn you can build a faster cheaper socket 754 system that will run circles around a socket A system. I've read conflicting test reports, some saying that there is very little difference in performance between the two CPUs. Assuming there is a socket A sempron 3300+, it would compare to about an Athlon XP 2900+. The Athlons are getting very scarce and are running about twice as much as the Sempron Socket A CPUs. Sempron 3000+ socket A is about $100 and won't OC much. A socket 754 Sempron 3100+ is $80, will OC like crazy and put the socket A sempron to shame. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
* * Chas wrote:
I'm building a new Socket A system with an nVidia Nforce2 chipset and DDR400 or DDR400-2 memory for use with Win98SE. I've been looking at Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A CPUs. The Athlon XP has 512 cache vs. 256 with the Sempron. Also the Athlon runs at 400MHz Vs, 333MHz for the Sempron. I've read conflicting test reports, some saying that there is very little difference in performance between the two CPUs. The Athlons are getting very scarce and are running about twice as much as the Sempron Socket A CPUs. Any feedback? Tom's Hardware ran a boatload of CPU tests, comparing Athlon XP to Sempron to AMD 64 to Pentium: much depends on whether you are gaming, doing office work (in which case the XP3200 is fine), doing audio/video, etc: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/...005/index.html Newegg has only 7 Socket A CPUs still listed for sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&Order=pri ce So, I would agree with Wes, who mentioned that building a socket 754 system would be of benefit in several ways. The AMD 64 chips run cooler than XPs, and quieter. And, you would have the option of running a 64 bit OS later too. If you are concerned about getting a core in your CPU that is among the best, check this out: * AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz FSB Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX - Retail 64 bit Support: Yes Cooling Device: Heatsink and Fan Hyper-Transport Support: Yes L1 Cache: 64KB+64KB L2 Cache: 512KB Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz Process Type: 90 nm Series: Athlon 64 Voltage: 1.4V * Model #: ADA3000BXBOX * Item #: N82E16819103606 * In Stock * $3.00 Instant Savings * $3.99 Three Day Shipping * Combo Special * Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5[33 reviews] * Move item to Wish ListMove To Wish List * Original Price: $123.00 * Instant Savings: -$3.00 * $120.00 Venice core from the socket 939 A64 series; 9. micron (runs cool and quiet); lots of cache, which I think you were looking for; memory controller on die, E6 stepping, (some later bug fixes and memory controller from what I read, but, I also read that no one really notices...) Combine with an Asus K8N-E or something with the new Nvidia 6100/6150 chipset, and you are good to go, relatively modern, but low budget too: 76 socket 754 motherboards for sale on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Order=rati ng HTH, BC |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
"Wes Newell" wrote in message news:f6FFf.13338$xs4.1039@trnddc01... On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:47:54 -0800, * * Chas wrote: I'm building a new Socket A system with an nVidia Nforce2 chipset and DDR400 or DDR400-2 memory for use with Win98SE. I've been looking at Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A CPUs. The Athlon XP has 512 cache vs. 256 with the Sempron. Also the Athlon runs at 400MHz Vs, 333MHz for the Sempron. AFAIK, they don't make a socket A Sempron 3300+, only socket 754. And it only has 128K L2 cache. L1 cache is the same on all AMD cpu's 64/64K for 128K. So someone is misleading you claiming 256K cache for the 3300+, since that includes the L1 cache. Including L1 cache, the 3200+ XP has 640K cache. If you want a socket A Sempron, get the 3000+. It's a barton core with 512K cache and a 12 multiplier with a default 166MHz FSB for 2000MHz default. Personally, I think you're wasting your money building a new socket A system whehn you can build a faster cheaper socket 754 system that will run circles around a socket A system. Thanks for the input. I'd read so may reviews that I forgat that it was the Sempron 3000+ with the dumbed down Barton core that performed close to the Athlon XP. Price watch and a number of others have been listing Socket A Semprons at 3300+ so I figured that they may exist. I remember playing with K6-III cpus. They came in every flavor from 266 to 450MHz and many had the same core chip. AMD certainly maximized their yields on those suckers. I've read conflicting test reports, some saying that there is very little difference in performance between the two CPUs. Assuming there is a socket A sempron 3300+, it would compare to about an Athlon XP 2900+. The Athlons are getting very scarce and are running about twice as much as the Sempron Socket A CPUs. Sempron 3000+ socket A is about $100 and won't OC much. A socket 754 Sempron 3100+ is $80, will OC like crazy and put the socket A sempron to shame. I'm not interested in OC or gaming, this is a business system. The next system I build will be 64bit but for now, this will be my last Win98SE box. It looks like I'm limited to Socket A boards and CPUs because of no Win98SE support for PCIe and some of the later chipsets. I have every version of Windows from Win3.1 to Server 2003 (except ME) but I prefer Win98SE for most applications. I use premium quality memory and keep my system files well pruned so my Win98SE systems run rock solid. I have 3 laptops running XP Pro for wireless support but generally I don't care for XP or Win2k. I still do most of my business work on an old Asus K7M that I built in 1999. It has a 1G T-Bird running 384 MB of memory plus a 15G HDD! I just want to speed it up a little. I also have an A7M-266 Atlon XP 1800+ with 768 MB of memory that I run Win98SE and Win2k on. The main complaint that I have against the NT based OS's is that when there is a problem such as a program not responding, it can take well over 5 minutes to recover and get my system back whereas with Win98SE, I can do a 3 finger or Reset warm reboot and be back working again in under 2 minutes. Besides that, I can fix just about any Win98SE problem in a few minutes where NT can take days to resolve. Chas. |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
"BC" wrote in message et... * * Chas wrote: I'm building a new Socket A system with an nVidia Nforce2 chipset and DDR400 or DDR400-2 memory for use with Win98SE. I've been looking at Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A CPUs. The Athlon XP has 512 cache vs. 256 with the Sempron. Also the Athlon runs at 400MHz Vs, 333MHz for the Sempron. I've read conflicting test reports, some saying that there is very little difference in performance between the two CPUs. The Athlons are getting very scarce and are running about twice as much as the Sempron Socket A CPUs. Any feedback? Tom's Hardware ran a boatload of CPU tests, comparing Athlon XP to Sempron to AMD 64 to Pentium: much depends on whether you are gaming, doing office work (in which case the XP3200 is fine), doing audio/video, etc: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/...pu_charts_2005 /index.html Newegg has only 7 Socket A CPUs still listed for sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0343+70001012& N=2010340343+70001012&Submit=ENE&Subcategory=343&O rder=price So, I would agree with Wes, who mentioned that building a socket 754 system would be of benefit in several ways. The AMD 64 chips run cooler than XPs, and quieter. And, you would have the option of running a 64 bit OS later too. If you are concerned about getting a core in your CPU that is among the best, check this out: * AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz FSB Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX - Retail 64 bit Support: Yes Cooling Device: Heatsink and Fan Hyper-Transport Support: Yes L1 Cache: 64KB+64KB L2 Cache: 512KB Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz Process Type: 90 nm Series: Athlon 64 Voltage: 1.4V * Model #: ADA3000BXBOX * Item #: N82E16819103606 * In Stock * $3.00 Instant Savings * $3.99 Three Day Shipping * Combo Special * Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5Rating + 5[33 reviews] * Move item to Wish ListMove To Wish List * Original Price: $123.00 * Instant Savings: -$3.00 * $120.00 Venice core from the socket 939 A64 series; 9. micron (runs cool and quiet); lots of cache, which I think you were looking for; memory controller on die, E6 stepping, (some later bug fixes and memory controller from what I read, but, I also read that no one really notices...) Combine with an Asus K8N-E or something with the new Nvidia 6100/6150 chipset, and you are good to go, relatively modern, but low budget too: 76 socket 754 motherboards for sale on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...+70001196&Subm it=ENE&Subcategory=22&ATTR3=2010200022+70001196&Or der=rating HTH, BC Thanks for the feedback. Please see my response to Wes. I'm building a "final" Win98SE system. The next box I build will be 64bit but for now..... Chas. |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:39:00 -0800, * * Chas wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. Please see my response to Wes. I'm building a "final" Win98SE system. The next box I build will be 64bit but for now..... FWIW, the AMD 64 bit or Sempron cpu's run W98 just fine. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
"* * Chas" wrote in message . .. I'm not interested in OC or gaming, this is a business system. The next system I build will be 64bit but for now, this will be my last Win98SE box. It looks like I'm limited to Socket A boards and CPUs because of no Win98SE support for PCIe and some of the later chipsets. Chas I've just installed 98SE on a ABIT UL8. I think you may be right about PCIe & 98SE though. Unless anyone knows better ? Eric -- Remove the dross to contact me directly |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
"BC" wrote in message et... * * Chas wrote: I'm building a new Socket A system with an nVidia Nforce2 chipset and DDR400 or DDR400-2 memory for use with Win98SE. I've been looking at Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A CPUs. The Athlon XP has 512 cache vs. 256 with the Sempron. Also the Athlon runs at 400MHz Vs, 333MHz for the Sempron. I've read conflicting test reports, some saying that there is very little difference in performance between the two CPUs. The Athlons are getting very scarce and are running about twice as much as the Sempron Socket A CPUs. Any feedback? Tom's Hardware ran a boatload of CPU tests, comparing Athlon XP to Sempron to AMD 64 to Pentium: much depends on whether you are gaming, doing office work (in which case the XP3200 is fine), doing audio/video, etc: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/...pu_charts_2005 /index.html Newegg has only 7 Socket A CPUs still listed for sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0343+70001012& N=2010340343+70001012&Submit=ENE&Subcategory=343&O rder=price So, I would agree with Wes, who mentioned that building a socket 754 system would be of benefit in several ways. The AMD 64 chips run cooler than XPs, and quieter. And, you would have the option of running a 64 bit OS later too. If you are concerned about getting a core in your CPU that is among the best, check this out: * AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz FSB Socket 754 E6 Processor Model ADA3000BXBOX - Retail Combine with an Asus K8N-E or something with the new Nvidia 6100/6150 chipset, and you are good to go, relatively modern, but low budget too: snip Thanks for the advice. When I checked the Asus site they didn't list any nForce3 drivers for Win 98SE. That's why I was looking at Socket A nForce2 boards. I bid on 3 Athlon XP 3200+ CPUs on eBay today that went for over $200 each! I'll be ordering one of these Athlon 64 3000+ today. Newegg is out of stock on the K8N-E mobos but the have the regular K8N. Besides the Giga Bit Lan and sound chip is there any important difference between these 2 mobos? Chas. |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
"* * Chas" wrote in message ... snip Tom's Hardware ran a boatload of CPU tests, comparing Athlon XP to Sempron to AMD 64 to Pentium: much depends on whether you are gaming, doing office work (in which case the XP3200 is fine), doing audio/video, etc: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/...pu_charts_2005 /index.html Newegg has only 7 Socket A CPUs still listed for sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0343+70001012& N=2010340343+70001012&Submit=ENE&Subcategory=343&O rder=price Make that zero Socket As left. I thought he left it a bit late to build a new socket 7 system, but he could be using second hand parts. He doesn't say what kind of office tasks he is doing, but anything from a 1Ghz CPU will work fine for word processing etc. Of course if he is doing CAD or video editing he will need a more powerful CPU BTW when posting a long URL, enclose it in URL thusly, and the link will work properly. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&Order=pri ce |
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Athlon XP 3200+ vs. Sempron 3300+ Socket A
Do they have 98SE drivers available for socket 754 or socket 939?
-- Doug "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:f6FFf.13338$xs4.1039@trnddc01... On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:47:54 -0800, * * Chas wrote: AFAIK, they don't make a socket A Sempron 3300+, only socket 754. And it only has 128K L2 cache. L1 cache is the same on all AMD cpu's 64/64K for 128K. So someone is misleading you claiming 256K cache for the 3300+, since that includes the L1 cache. Including L1 cache, the 3200+ XP has 640K cache. If you want a socket A Sempron, get the 3000+. It's a barton core with 512K cache and a 12 multiplier with a default 166MHz FSB for 2000MHz default. Personally, I think you're wasting your money building a new socket A system whehn you can build a faster cheaper socket 754 system that will run circles around a socket A system. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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