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Cost per A4
Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full color
A4 print with these printers: Canon i950 Epson 950 Epson 2100 I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870. Thanks -- Gigi |
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Taliesyn wrote:
Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-) Ok you are right, I never try a refilling sistem. Now the question become: what about the special ink of the 2100 ("pigmentazione" in italian)? Does a refill sistem exist also for that? i don't think so, or better I don't think some one produce an alternative ink for 2100 that make you sure to have good colors after years. So now my "to be or not to be" question is: cheap and not durable (is "durable" a right word??) or expensive and all life guaranted colors? And coming back to my first question: how much more I will spend with the 2100 (considering the special ink) for each print compared with a normal (not refilled) epson? -- Gigi |
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GigiVega wrote:
Taliesyn wrote: Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-) Ok you are right, I never try a refilling sistem. Now the question become: what about the special ink of the 2100 ("pigmentazione" in italian)? Does a refill sistem exist also for that? i don't think so, or better I don't think some one produce an alternative ink for 2100 that make you sure to have good colors after years. I don't know, check the Internet for dealers of Epson 2100 ink. So now my "to be or not to be" question is: cheap and not durable (is "durable" a right word??) or expensive and all life guaranted colors? It's costing me maybe a couple of pennies for a 4x6, so I really couldn't care if it fades in 2, 5, 10 or 20 years from now. All my photos are saved on CD. If I ever want to reprint any, it certainly won't cost me an arm and a leg. And no one guarantees all life colors. I had a genuine Canon ink and paper photo on my wall and it lost half its color in 3 months. I'm sure if you put them in a dark photo album they will last longer. I'm not using Canon ink nor paper any more, so my prints will now last longer. ;-) And for paper, check eBay, some great papers at a fraction of genuine paper cost are available. And coming back to my first question: how much more I will spend with the 2100 (considering the special ink) for each print compared with a normal (not refilled) epson? I'm not qualified to answer that question, I have a Canon. -Taliesyn |
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Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all
means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Both the s820 and the i950 use the same BCI-6 tanks. BCI-3 as in the i850 and BCI-6 tanks are identical in size and capacity. The only difference is ink formulations which are different for the two types of printers. Both the supplier you reference and the one I use appear to use bulk ink from Formulabs which is one of, if not, the best maker of inks. Because I purchased my ink in 1 pint bottles (480 cc's) that works out to 2880 cc's for a set of six bottles. I can usually print about 40 full coverage 8.5 x 11 sheets before needing to refill when the first low ink warning pops up. At that time I install my entire #2 set of cartridges and then refill the entire set #1. Two of the cartridges will usually take 5cc's to top off the ink reservoir, 3 will take 3 cc's and one takes 2 cc's. This is a total consumption of 21 cc's. I paid less than $70 U.S. incl shipping for the six pints which works out to about 50¢ per refilling session after printing 40 sheets. My net cost is approx. 1.2¢ per sheet. Ink purchased in smaller quantities will cost more per ounce, but by any estimate it is a great cost savings. I do a very large amount of printing and have easily saved the cost of several printers since the first of the year. The i950 should be equivalent in consumption to the s820, so the original poster can easily get an idea that even buying some of the most expensive bulk refill inks, his costs per page will be extremely low. I know he was asking for comparisons on Canon and Epson models, but because of my total satisfaction with Canon, I won't even consider any other inkjet. -- Ron Cohen "Taliesyn" wrote in message ... GigiVega wrote: Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full color A4 print with these printers: Canon i950 Epson 950 Epson 2100 I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870. Thanks Your English is 100% better than my Italian! Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-) I refill my Canon i850 cartridges with quality bulk ink and figure it costs me about 5 cents (an estimate) to print an A4 size picture. With the money I'm saving I should be able to move up to an i950, or later model, next year. (I don't need 3 printers!) I use bulk ink from Atlantic Inkjet. I honestly cannot see a difference in photos between Canon ink and ink from Atlantic Inkjet. http://www.atlanticinkjet.com/ -Taliesyn |
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Ron Cohen wrote:
Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Both the s820 and the i950 use the same BCI-6 tanks. BCI-3 as in the i850 and BCI-6 tanks are identical in size and capacity. The only difference is ink formulations which are different for the two types of printers. Both the supplier you reference and the one I use appear to use bulk ink from Formulabs which is one of, if not, the best maker of inks. Because I purchased my ink in 1 pint bottles (480 cc's) that works out to 2880 cc's for a set of six bottles. I can usually print about 40 full coverage 8.5 x 11 sheets before needing to refill when the first low ink warning pops up. At that time I install my entire #2 set of cartridges and then refill the entire set #1. Two of the cartridges will usually take 5cc's to top off the ink reservoir, 3 will take 3 cc's and one takes 2 cc's. This is a total consumption of 21 cc's. I paid less than $70 U.S. incl shipping for the six pints which works out to about 50¢ per refilling session after printing 40 sheets. My net cost is approx. 1.2¢ per sheet. Ink purchased in smaller quantities will cost more per ounce, but by any estimate it is a great cost savings. I do a very large amount of printing and have easily saved the cost of several printers since the first of the year. The i950 should be equivalent in consumption to the s820, so the original poster can easily get an idea that even buying some of the most expensive bulk refill inks, his costs per page will be extremely low. I know he was asking for comparisons on Canon and Epson models, but because of my total satisfaction with Canon, I won't even consider any other inkjet. Great post! My cost estimate was only a rough guess. Yes, I would definitely save even more by buying the quart/litre size, a saving of a further $18 (CDN) per colour (that's like getting 4 free 250 ml bottles). I don't know if it's true, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that Formulabs supplied one or more of the Big 4 printer makers. Is this possible? I also like your method of rotating complete sets of cartridges. This way you don't have to stop 4 times to fill an individual cartridge. By the way, I use tiny 2-56 x 1/8 stainless steel set screws (about the size of this letter "I") to seal the holes. They seem to work great and look attractive... A lot better looking than a gob of glue from a glue gun. -Taliesyn |
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Ron Cohen wrote:
Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Very exhaustive post, thanks. -- Gigi |
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The canons will definitely be cheaper than the epsons from my experience
based on the single-cartridge vs. multiple cartridge systems. I know the Epson 2100 uses separate cartridges, but I don't know about their cost or how long they last. I just know my i950 has been far, far cheaper to use than my Epson 1270 or 820. -Larry "GigiVega" wrote in message ... Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full color A4 print with these printers: Canon i950 Epson 950 Epson 2100 I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870. Thanks -- Gigi |
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Damn, Ron. Been thinking about this, have you?
-Larry "Ron Cohen" wrote in message ... Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Both the s820 and the i950 use the same BCI-6 tanks. BCI-3 as in the i850 and BCI-6 tanks are identical in size and capacity. The only difference is ink formulations which are different for the two types of printers. Both the supplier you reference and the one I use appear to use bulk ink from Formulabs which is one of, if not, the best maker of inks. Because I purchased my ink in 1 pint bottles (480 cc's) that works out to 2880 cc's for a set of six bottles. I can usually print about 40 full coverage 8.5 x 11 sheets before needing to refill when the first low ink warning pops up. At that time I install my entire #2 set of cartridges and then refill the entire set #1. Two of the cartridges will usually take 5cc's to top off the ink reservoir, 3 will take 3 cc's and one takes 2 cc's. This is a total consumption of 21 cc's. I paid less than $70 U.S. incl shipping for the six pints which works out to about 50¢ per refilling session after printing 40 sheets. My net cost is approx. 1.2¢ per sheet. Ink purchased in smaller quantities will cost more per ounce, but by any estimate it is a great cost savings. I do a very large amount of printing and have easily saved the cost of several printers since the first of the year. The i950 should be equivalent in consumption to the s820, so the original poster can easily get an idea that even buying some of the most expensive bulk refill inks, his costs per page will be extremely low. I know he was asking for comparisons on Canon and Epson models, but because of my total satisfaction with Canon, I won't even consider any other inkjet. -- Ron Cohen "Taliesyn" wrote in message ... GigiVega wrote: Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full color A4 print with these printers: Canon i950 Epson 950 Epson 2100 I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870. Thanks Your English is 100% better than my Italian! Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-) I refill my Canon i850 cartridges with quality bulk ink and figure it costs me about 5 cents (an estimate) to print an A4 size picture. With the money I'm saving I should be able to move up to an i950, or later model, next year. (I don't need 3 printers!) I use bulk ink from Atlantic Inkjet. I honestly cannot see a difference in photos between Canon ink and ink from Atlantic Inkjet. http://www.atlanticinkjet.com/ -Taliesyn |
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I'll almost guarantee the 2100 will be the most expensive. So much so I bought an i850 because the
2100 costs so much to print I now ONLY use it for DVD printing now (I have little need for A3 and archival printing, I just wanted a DVD printer for my video productions). I swear a full A3 photo print would have cost about US $10-15 based on the carts drop after the first one (I couldn't afford to continue to test). It may have high quality ink, and be A3 capable, but after one A3 photo, 2-3 A4's and a few other misc test prints the carts were around 3/4 empty. That's 7 carts at AUS$25 for a total cost of AUS$175 or US$115. I'm sure its a bit better elsewhere but I can only source the carts full retail at the moment :-( I think it is quite obvious that while the carts are large, they contain little ink. I've seen one taken apart, and most of it is plastic and anti refill design. shame on Epson "Larry" wrote in message news:z5ZRa.12568$N%3.12367@lakeread01... The canons will definitely be cheaper than the epsons from my experience based on the single-cartridge vs. multiple cartridge systems. I know the Epson 2100 uses separate cartridges, but I don't know about their cost or how long they last. I just know my i950 has been far, far cheaper to use than my Epson 1270 or 820. -Larry "GigiVega" wrote in message ... Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full color A4 print with these printers: Canon i950 Epson 950 Epson 2100 I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870. Thanks -- Gigi |
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