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Which backup programs will do this?
I've never used an imaging program and am a bit wary of the concept. My knowledge is limited, but it seems to me that it would be more foolproof and convenient to have another bootable drive with an exact copy of the main drive's contents: (OS, programs and data). This way, if the main drive fails, I can simply set the bios to boot from the backup drive (or even physically switch the drives, so that no BIOS changes are required). Is there good justification for this backup strategy? If so.... on my Win XP, PC, what is an inexpensive way to copy the contents of my main 120gb drive (contains my OS, my programs and my data) onto another drive, so that the other drive is also bootable. According to a PC World artice, CMS Product's $79 BounceBack Professional 5.5 does this. But I'm guessing there is a cheaper, simpler way. Bounceback doesn't seem to have a support site anyway. After doing the initial copying of all the files, I would then like a program that automatically backs up only files that are newly created and all files that are subsequently changed, onto backup drive, thus maintaining an accurate copy of the main drive as efficiently as possible. My main drive is 120gb and my backup drive is only 80gb, however, I don't anticipate that the 120gb will ever contain anything approaching 80gb of data. Budget is tight but the program needs to be effective and reliable. If it's easy to understand and use, that would be good. Will something as simple as Windows' drag-and-drop, or DOS Xcopy, do the intitial copying of the main disc effectively? If so, I could then use a low cost backup program to backup just the files that get changed or added, yes? Thank you, Al D |
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Which backup programs will do this?
I've never used an imaging program and am a bit wary of the concept. My knowledge is limited, but it seems to me that it would be more foolproof and convenient to have another bootable drive with an exact copy of the main drive's contents: (OS, programs and data). This way, if the main drive fails, I can simply set the bios to boot from the backup drive (or even physically switch the drives, so that no BIOS changes are required). Is there good justification for this backup strategy? If so.... on my Win XP, PC, what is an inexpensive way to copy the contents of my main 120gb drive (contains my OS, my programs and my data) onto another drive, so that the other drive is also bootable. Thank you, Al D Acronis trueimage will do exactly what you want i.e. clone your disk directly to another disk or create a disk image on removeable media. Create incremental images, scheduling etc etc. MJP |
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Which backup programs will do this?
"MJP" wrote in message ... I've never used an imaging program and am a bit wary of the concept. My knowledge is limited, but it seems to me that it would be more foolproof and convenient to have another bootable drive with an exact copy of the main drive's contents: (OS, programs and data). This way, if the main drive fails, I can simply set the bios to boot from the backup drive (or even physically switch the drives, so that no BIOS changes are required). Is there good justification for this backup strategy? If so.... on my Win XP, PC, what is an inexpensive way to copy the contents of my main 120gb drive (contains my OS, my programs and my data) onto another drive, so that the other drive is also bootable. Thank you, Al D Acronis trueimage will do exactly what you want i.e. clone your disk directly to another disk or create a disk image on removeable media. Create incremental images, scheduling etc etc. MJP yes, I second TrueImage. Nice front end and easy to use and relatively cheap. |
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Which backup programs will do this?
On 29 Dec 2005 13:15:59 +0100, "MJP" wrote:
Acronis trueimage will do exactly what you want i.e. clone your disk directly to another disk or create a disk image on removeable media. Create incremental images, scheduling etc etc. Thank you. I am currently downloading the program. Then someone told me about RAID hard drive controllers! That sounds even better... Is RAID a practical option for keeping a running identical copy of a hard drive? Do the two hard drives have to be identical in size? I looked at the price of RAID controller cards and they appear to be very cheap. Thanks Al D |
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Which backup programs will do this?
"AL D" wrote in message ... On 29 Dec 2005 13:15:59 +0100, "MJP" wrote: Acronis trueimage will do exactly what you want i.e. clone your disk directly to another disk or create a disk image on removeable media. Create incremental images, scheduling etc etc. Thank you. I am currently downloading the program. Then someone told me about RAID hard drive controllers! That sounds even better... Is RAID a practical option for keeping a running identical copy of a hard drive? Do the two hard drives have to be identical in size? What you described as needed, is exactly what RAID does. It maintains a realtime, exact duplicate of your HD. If one of the pair should fail, the system keeps humming along as if nothing happened. The RAID controller simply continues to read/write from the working HD. In the meantime, you obtain a replacement HD. Once done, install it and the RAID controller rebuilds the array (i.e., copies the current state of the good HD to the new drive). I use RAID1 (mirroring) myself, works great. Many newer mobo's already contain a RAID controller for SATA HDs. The only vulnerability is during the time you have a failure and the replacement is pending. But you could always have a spare available, do a backup, etc. But the nice thing about RAID is that it works silently and effortlessly in the background. And it works for ANY OS, even if the OS isn't even boot, essentially ALL the time. And that's because it works at the BIOS level, before any OS is ever loaded. So if you multi-booted, say XP and Linux, both would be protected. No, they don't have to be identical, the array is simply created based on the smaller of the two. So if you use two different sized HDs, you're simply wasting some space. But it will work. Jim I looked at the price of RAID controller cards and they appear to be very cheap. Thanks Al D |
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AL D wrote:
I've never used an imaging program and am a bit wary of the concept. My knowledge is limited, but it seems to me that it would be more foolproof and convenient to have another bootable drive with an exact copy of the main drive's contents: (OS, programs and data). This way, if the main drive fails, I can simply set the bios to boot from the backup drive (or even physically switch the drives, so that no BIOS changes are required). Is there good justification for this backup strategy? If so.... on my Win XP, PC, what is an inexpensive way to copy the contents of my main 120gb drive (contains my OS, my programs and my data) onto another drive, so that the other drive is also bootable. According to a PC World artice, CMS Product's $79 BounceBack Professional 5.5 does this. But I'm guessing there is a cheaper, simpler way. Bounceback doesn't seem to have a support site anyway. After doing the initial copying of all the files, I would then like a program that automatically backs up only files that are newly created and all files that are subsequently changed, onto backup drive, thus maintaining an accurate copy of the main drive as efficiently as possible. My main drive is 120gb and my backup drive is only 80gb, however, I don't anticipate that the 120gb will ever contain anything approaching 80gb of data. Budget is tight but the program needs to be effective and reliable. If it's easy to understand and use, that would be good. Will something as simple as Windows' drag-and-drop, or DOS Xcopy, do the intitial copying of the main disc effectively? If so, I could then use a low cost backup program to backup just the files that get changed or added, yes? Thank you, Al D I'd suggest you separate the process of backing up the O.S. and programs from 'data' as they're really different issues. O.S. and programs do not change nearly as often as data does and, at the worst, are restorable from the original install CDs. From a cost standpoint, XP has a built-in backup capability that satisfies all the criteria you listed for data backup. From XP's help... Copy backup A copy backup copies all selected files but does not mark each file as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared). Copying is useful if you want to back up files between normal and incremental backups because copying does not affect these other backup operations. Daily backup A daily backup copies all selected files that have been modified the day the daily backup is performed. The backed-up files are not marked as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared). Differential backup A differential backup copies files created or changed since the last normal or incremental backup. It does not mark files as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared). If you are performing a combination of normal and differential backups, restoring files and folders requires that you have the last normal as well as the last differential backup. Incremental backup An incremental backup backs up only those files created or changed since the last normal or incremental backup. It marks files as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is cleared). If you use a combination of normal and incremental backups, you will need to have the last normal backup set as well as all incremental backup sets in order to restore your data. Normal backup A normal backup copies all selected files and marks each file as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is cleared). With normal backups, you need only the most recent copy of the backup file or tape to restore all of the files. You usually perform a normal backup the first time you create a backup set. ....................... XP's backup can also be scheduled to run automatically. You would, of course, have to have an operational XP system to run backup's restore process and restore the data to, so... For imaging system drives I use Ghost but it's a bit pricey. Acronis trueimage is another good commercial disk imager for a little bit less. Since you've never used an imaging program, though, and are a bit uneasy about the process you might want to investigate some freeware tools to get a feel for the concept. I'll say up front I've not used a one of them but since they're free... Here is one that has the advantage of using a windows interface. To restore a dead system, though, you need something 'windows' that's bootable (the reason most of them use that 'cryptic' DOS command line) but they show how to make an XP bootable WinPE CD. http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm http://www.runtime.org/peb.htm There is also a drive imaging program called DrvImagerXP but last I heard it was unable to image the system partition. Just mentioned it so you don't waste time with it. http://www.lexundesigns.com/ has a program called Lexun Backup Solution. I haven't a clue about it but the description suggest it can image drives. A freeware page with some more ideas. http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilit...andimage.shtml Btw, don't 'experiment' with your business stuff. |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:19:24 -0600, David Maynard
wrote: AL D wrote: I've never used an imaging program and am a bit wary of the concept. My knowledge is limited, but it seems to me that it would be more foolproof and convenient to have another bootable drive with an exact copy of the main drive's contents: (OS, programs and data). This way, if the main drive fails, I can simply set the bios to boot from the backup drive (or even physically switch the drives, so that no BIOS changes are required). Is there good justification for this backup strategy? If so.... on my Win XP, PC, what is an inexpensive way to copy the contents of my main 120gb drive (contains my OS, my programs and my data) onto another drive, so that the other drive is also bootable. According to a PC World artice, CMS Product's $79 BounceBack Professional 5.5 does this. But I'm guessing there is a cheaper, simpler way. Bounceback doesn't seem to have a support site anyway. After doing the initial copying of all the files, I would then like a program that automatically backs up only files that are newly created and all files that are subsequently changed, onto backup drive, thus maintaining an accurate copy of the main drive as efficiently as possible. My main drive is 120gb and my backup drive is only 80gb, however, I don't anticipate that the 120gb will ever contain anything approaching 80gb of data. Budget is tight but the program needs to be effective and reliable. If it's easy to understand and use, that would be good. Will something as simple as Windows' drag-and-drop, or DOS Xcopy, do the intitial copying of the main disc effectively? If so, I could then use a low cost backup program to backup just the files that get changed or added, yes? Thank you, Al D I'd suggest you separate the process of backing up the O.S. and programs from 'data' as they're really different issues. O.S. and programs do not change nearly as often as data does and, at the worst, are restorable from the original install CDs. From a cost standpoint, XP has a built-in backup capability that satisfies all the criteria you listed for data backup. From XP's help... Copy backup A copy backup copies all selected files but does not mark each file as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared). Copying is useful if you want to back up files between normal and incremental backups because copying does not affect these other backup operations. Daily backup A daily backup copies all selected files that have been modified the day the daily backup is performed. The backed-up files are not marked as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared). Differential backup A differential backup copies files created or changed since the last normal or incremental backup. It does not mark files as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared). If you are performing a combination of normal and differential backups, restoring files and folders requires that you have the last normal as well as the last differential backup. Incremental backup An incremental backup backs up only those files created or changed since the last normal or incremental backup. It marks files as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is cleared). If you use a combination of normal and incremental backups, you will need to have the last normal backup set as well as all incremental backup sets in order to restore your data. Normal backup A normal backup copies all selected files and marks each file as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is cleared). With normal backups, you need only the most recent copy of the backup file or tape to restore all of the files. You usually perform a normal backup the first time you create a backup set. ...................... XP's backup can also be scheduled to run automatically. You would, of course, have to have an operational XP system to run backup's restore process and restore the data to, so... For imaging system drives I use Ghost but it's a bit pricey. Acronis trueimage is another good commercial disk imager for a little bit less. Since you've never used an imaging program, though, and are a bit uneasy about the process you might want to investigate some freeware tools to get a feel for the concept. I'll say up front I've not used a one of them but since they're free... Here is one that has the advantage of using a windows interface. To restore a dead system, though, you need something 'windows' that's bootable (the reason most of them use that 'cryptic' DOS command line) but they show how to make an XP bootable WinPE CD. http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm http://www.runtime.org/peb.htm There is also a drive imaging program called DrvImagerXP but last I heard it was unable to image the system partition. Just mentioned it so you don't waste time with it. http://www.lexundesigns.com/ has a program called Lexun Backup Solution. I haven't a clue about it but the description suggest it can image drives. A freeware page with some more ideas. http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilit...andimage.shtml Btw, don't 'experiment' with your business stuff. Many thanks for your helpful suggestions. Before reading the above, I had already downloaded Acronis Trueimage 9 and it seems surprisingly straightforward, so far. It seems to do all the important things I need it to. But I haven't finished trying it out yet... Al D |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:22:27 +0000 (UTC), "Henry"
wrote: Acronis trueimage will do exactly what you want i.e. clone your disk directly to another disk I have hit an apprent problem doing this. Acronis tells me that if I clone my system disc, I will then have to remove the old disc! Anyone know why? Al D |
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"AL D" wrote in message ... On 29 Dec 2005 13:15:59 +0100, "MJP" wrote: Acronis trueimage will do exactly what you want i.e. clone your disk directly to another disk or create a disk image on removeable media. Create incremental images, scheduling etc etc. Thank you. I am currently downloading the program. Then someone told me about RAID hard drive controllers! That sounds even better... Is RAID a practical option for keeping a running identical copy of a hard drive? Do the two hard drives have to be identical in size? I looked at the price of RAID controller cards and they appear to be very cheap. Thanks Al D you need to select Backup....NOT Clone. Clone is used when you are replacing your Boot Hard Drive with a new one |
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