Levono to Offer Choice: AMD or Intel

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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:08:46 -0600, chrisv
wrote:


http://www.reed-electronics.com/elec...icle/CA6310183


I will snap a Turion-based IBM-branded Thinkpad T(whatever number) as
soon as it comes out. Lenovo-branded? Remains to be seen if it has
the same build quality, look and feel as the T.


I think it'll be a little while before we see a Thinkpad with an AMD
processor inside. However, with the continuing good press that AMD is
getting at the expense of the bad press Intel is getting, it may not be
as long as I would've originally thought. I think currently Lenovo is
planning on introducing only consumer & SMB products with AMD inside.
The enterprise market will still get Thinkpads and Intel-only for the
time being. Highly ironic that the better processors are going into the
cheaper products.

Yousuf Khan

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:54:16 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:
The 'R' series is the entry model. They remind me a lot of the
iSeries.
:-(

This some other kind of iSeries or the one that used to be AS/400? If
the latter, them's fightin words.

I think Keith's refering to the i700(?) series of Thinkpad which I
think are designed in Taiwan and made in China or something.

--
A Lost Angel, fallen from heaven
Lost in dreams, Lost in aspirations,
Lost to the world, Lost to myself

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:54:16 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Keith" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:45:21 +0000, The little lost angel wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:09:25 -0500, Keith wrote:

I will snap a Turion-based IBM-branded Thinkpad T(whatever number)
as
soon as it comes out. Lenovo-branded? Remains to be seen if it has
the same build quality, look and feel as the T.

I just got a T42p in the last couple of months. It still says IBM on
the
case. I'm looking at an 'X' series for personal use. An AMD would
be
sweet.

I just got a Thinkpad R52 a few weeks back and it still says IBM too.
Although I'm kinda regretting it being an impulse buy and not saving
up more for a T model instead.

They wanted to replace my A21p with an 'R' series but I held out for
the
'T'. Since it wasn't my money, it was an easy descision. ;-) Stepping
back from 1600x1200 display to 1024x768 wasn't going to happen.

My almost 3yr old T30 looks seems better than the new R in everyway,
including the built and looks. I was almost shocked speechless when I
attempted to swap out the Ultrabay drive for battery and discover what
looks like the Ultrabay isn't (the release button is there, the pull
tab/swap mechanism isn't). Or that I no longer have an IRDA port for
my handphone sync (the space is there but...). Or that apparently my
old T30 have better graphic processing power...

The new R only beat my old T in battery life, processing power, USB
2.0 and the fact it will power up everytime I press the button :P

Longer battery life is goodness but I've rarely pushed mine. After
five
years, the batteries in the A21p were getting pretty weak (one was down
to
45minuts the other 1:15). That last "improvement" is rather important.
;-)

I'm not sure if this strip out trend is due to Lenovo since my really
old A-series had better "functionality" in these sense. Maybe the R
series have always been like that. But I'm just spoilt by the fact
I've always only used either personal or company provided A or T
series.

The 'R' series is the entry model. They remind me a lot of the
iSeries.
:-(

This some other kind of iSeries or the one that used to be AS/400? If
the latter, them's fightin words.

Nah, I remember those laptop iSeries - made by Acer for IBM IIRC. They
looked kinda like a Thinkpad -- IBM was still doing retail at the time --
from a distance but up close, the case plastic was umm, nasty cheap... and
flexy and the keyboard was awful. They had a short life too according to
stories.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:31:16 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:08:46 -0600, chrisv
wrote:


http://www.reed-electronics.com/elec...icle/CA6310183


I will snap a Turion-based IBM-branded Thinkpad T(whatever number) as
soon as it comes out. Lenovo-branded? Remains to be seen if it has
the same build quality, look and feel as the T.


I think it'll be a little while before we see a Thinkpad with an AMD
processor inside. However, with the continuing good press that AMD is
getting at the expense of the bad press Intel is getting, it may not be
as long as I would've originally thought. I think currently Lenovo is
planning on introducing only consumer & SMB products with AMD inside.
The enterprise market will still get Thinkpads and Intel-only for the
time being. Highly ironic that the better processors are going into the
cheaper products.

Yousuf Khan

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/3000/index.html?re=home_A_us
As you said, no AMD option ;-(
Externally it to some extent resembles Thinkpad, but that greyish
(or is it silvery?) plastic makes it look cheap, just like another
Dell or HPQ. Should've stayed with matte black. The pics are too few
and too small to see the details. As for the screen quality, one
needs to see the real thing to judge.

NNN

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:05:35 -0500, Keith wrote:

Been to Best Buy today shopping for a new
microwave, looked at the laptops there - the greatest from HPQ, despite
bigger displays and Turion logo, just didn't feel right, though
noticeably higher end stuff next to cheaper HPQ Centrino models on
display there. I wish Lenovo laptops were Thinkpads without IBM logo,
but just don't expect them to be even remotely resembling their older
brothers. I wish even more that Lenovo put AMD into Thinkpads, just
don't see it happening any time soon ;-(

You're talking about quality and shop at Best Buy?! boggle

They are good enough for plain vanilla GE over-the-range microwave

I've never found an appliance at BBY that was even close to what I
could get the same thing for in a "local" store, all things
considered. I've replaced my whole kitchen (including over-the
range microwave) over the last five years and not one knob came
from BBY.

The store is organized in such a way that if you are going to
appliance section, you have to walk by either home theater section or
computers.

Aren't all the stores clones? ;-)

--
Keith

In article , fammacd=!
says...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:54:16 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Keith" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:45:21 +0000, The little lost angel wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:09:25 -0500, Keith wrote:

I will snap a Turion-based IBM-branded Thinkpad T(whatever number)
as
soon as it comes out. Lenovo-branded? Remains to be seen if it has
the same build quality, look and feel as the T.

I just got a T42p in the last couple of months. It still says IBM on
the
case. I'm looking at an 'X' series for personal use. An AMD would
be
sweet.

I just got a Thinkpad R52 a few weeks back and it still says IBM too.
Although I'm kinda regretting it being an impulse buy and not saving
up more for a T model instead.

They wanted to replace my A21p with an 'R' series but I held out for
the
'T'. Since it wasn't my money, it was an easy descision. ;-) Stepping
back from 1600x1200 display to 1024x768 wasn't going to happen.

My almost 3yr old T30 looks seems better than the new R in everyway,
including the built and looks. I was almost shocked speechless when I
attempted to swap out the Ultrabay drive for battery and discover what
looks like the Ultrabay isn't (the release button is there, the pull
tab/swap mechanism isn't). Or that I no longer have an IRDA port for
my handphone sync (the space is there but...). Or that apparently my
old T30 have better graphic processing power...

The new R only beat my old T in battery life, processing power, USB
2.0 and the fact it will power up everytime I press the button :P

Longer battery life is goodness but I've rarely pushed mine. After
five
years, the batteries in the A21p were getting pretty weak (one was down
to
45minuts the other 1:15). That last "improvement" is rather important.
;-)

I'm not sure if this strip out trend is due to Lenovo since my really
old A-series had better "functionality" in these sense. Maybe the R
series have always been like that. But I'm just spoilt by the fact
I've always only used either personal or company provided A or T
series.

The 'R' series is the entry model. They remind me a lot of the
iSeries.
:-(

This some other kind of iSeries or the one that used to be AS/400? If
the latter, them's fightin words.

Chill, Del. I meant the ThinkPad iSeries, not the corn farmers in
fly-over country iSeries. ;-)

Nah, I remember those laptop iSeries - made by Acer for IBM IIRC. They
looked kinda like a Thinkpad -- IBM was still doing retail at the time --
from a distance but up close, the case plastic was umm, nasty cheap... and
flexy and the keyboard was awful. They had a short life too according to
stories.

That's the one. An Acer in ThinkPad clothes. Crap!

--
Keith

In article , a?n?g?e?
says...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:19 -0500, Keith wrote:

The new R only beat my old T in battery life, processing power, USB
2.0 and the fact it will power up everytime I press the button :P

Longer battery life is goodness but I've rarely pushed mine. After five
years, the batteries in the A21p were getting pretty weak (one was down to
45minuts the other 1:15). That last "improvement" is rather important. ;-)

lol, well, not if you never turn it off after you switched it on :P It
takes a few tries to it on, after which, I just put it to standby if
I'm not using it or moving around.

It wouldn't hybernate? I tend to use hybernate when I pack the
ThinkPad in its case to take it home. All my windows (other than
Exceed) hang around.

But if it is indeed a Lenovo direction, I think I'm probably pretty
much limited to the choice of a T-series in another two years time
with no other considerations.

I kinda like the displays on the 'X' series, but I've not seen one up
close.

They look kinda tiny to me and I rather not have to squint or be
forced to put the laptop close since I like my comfort while using it
at home.

Sorry, I meant the 'Z'. New models... ;-)

--
Keith

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:51:08 -0500, Keith wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:05:35 -0500, Keith wrote:

Been to Best Buy today shopping for a new
microwave, looked at the laptops there - the greatest from HPQ, despite
bigger displays and Turion logo, just didn't feel right, though
noticeably higher end stuff next to cheaper HPQ Centrino models on
display there. I wish Lenovo laptops were Thinkpads without IBM logo,
but just don't expect them to be even remotely resembling their older
brothers. I wish even more that Lenovo put AMD into Thinkpads, just
don't see it happening any time soon ;-(

You're talking about quality and shop at Best Buy?! boggle

They are good enough for plain vanilla GE over-the-range microwave

I've never found an appliance at BBY that was even close to what I
could get the same thing for in a "local" store, all things
considered. I've replaced my whole kitchen (including over-the
range microwave) over the last five years and not one knob came
from BBY.

In our area small local stores tend to charge more for the same model,
and never have any stock, so you have to wait a couple of weeks for
the delivery. Maybe local stores offer greater selection, but I just
don't need extra "features" that take hours of manual reading to
learn, and then never utilized. And having a wagon, I don't want to
pay extra $50 for the delivery. Same about e-tailers - the delivery
charge eats up all the savings on base price, and then some, and you
still have to wait. Therefore the choice is between BBY and Sears
after Circuit City went out of appliance business. PC Richard is more
expensive, at least when you shop for basic models. They run good
promotions on fancier stuff, but I don't pay $500 for a microwave, no
matter how many extra buttons it has.

The store is organized in such a way that if you are going to
appliance section, you have to walk by either home theater section or
computers.

Aren't all the stores clones? ;-)

They have to fit the store into existing mall config.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:56:36 +0000, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:51:08 -0500, Keith wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:05:35 -0500, Keith wrote:

Been to Best Buy today shopping for a new
microwave, looked at the laptops there - the greatest from HPQ, despite
bigger displays and Turion logo, just didn't feel right, though
noticeably higher end stuff next to cheaper HPQ Centrino models on
display there. I wish Lenovo laptops were Thinkpads without IBM logo,
but just don't expect them to be even remotely resembling their older
brothers. I wish even more that Lenovo put AMD into Thinkpads, just
don't see it happening any time soon ;-(

You're talking about quality and shop at Best Buy?! boggle

They are good enough for plain vanilla GE over-the-range microwave

I've never found an appliance at BBY that was even close to what I
could get the same thing for in a "local" store, all things
considered. I've replaced my whole kitchen (including over-the
range microwave) over the last five years and not one knob came
from BBY.

In our area small local stores tend to charge more for the same model,
and never have any stock, so you have to wait a couple of weeks for
the delivery. Maybe local stores offer greater selection, but I just
don't need extra "features" that take hours of manual reading to
learn, and then never utilized. And having a wagon, I don't want to
pay extra $50 for the delivery. Same about e-tailers - the delivery
charge eats up all the savings on base price, and then some, and you
still have to wait. Therefore the choice is between BBY and Sears
after Circuit City went out of appliance business. PC Richard is more
expensive, at least when you shop for basic models. They run good
promotions on fancier stuff, but I don't pay $500 for a microwave, no
matter how many extra buttons it has.

I generally pay for deliver, even though I have a pickup (though I picked
up the dish washer from Sears). For $35ish the local stores will deliver
the new unit, put it in place, and cart packing materials and the old
appliance away. There are a few local stores around that are very good,
so I deal with them, mostly. They usually get a delivery every Thursday
from Boston, so if I order it by Monday it's here the same week (the
refrigerator was a close call).

Our microwave was $650. ;-) It had to fit in the hole in the copper
range hood over the island and have an exhaust fan upward. SWMBO wanted a
convection oven too (useless).

The store is organized in such a way that if you are going to
appliance section, you have to walk by either home theater section or
computers.

Aren't all the stores clones? ;-)

They have to fit the store into existing mall config.

Hmm, all the BBYs I've seen have the building built around the store.

--
Keith

"Keith" wrote in message
T...
In article , a?n?g?e?
says...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:19 -0500, Keith wrote:

The new R only beat my old T in battery life, processing power, USB
2.0 and the fact it will power up everytime I press the button :P

Longer battery life is goodness but I've rarely pushed mine. After
five
years, the batteries in the A21p were getting pretty weak (one was
down to
45minuts the other 1:15). That last "improvement" is rather
important. ;-)

lol, well, not if you never turn it off after you switched it on :P It
takes a few tries to it on, after which, I just put it to standby if
I'm not using it or moving around.

It wouldn't hybernate? I tend to use hybernate when I pack the
ThinkPad in its case to take it home. All my windows (other than
Exceed) hang around.

But if it is indeed a Lenovo direction, I think I'm probably pretty
much limited to the choice of a T-series in another two years time
with no other considerations.

I kinda like the displays on the 'X' series, but I've not seen one up
close.

They look kinda tiny to me and I rather not have to squint or be
forced to put the laptop close since I like my comfort while using it
at home.

Sorry, I meant the 'Z'. New models... ;-)

--
Keith

You are still using exceed? didn't that get kiboshed a while ago in
favor of vnc/vncserver?