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P4P800 E Deluxe with long running problems
P4P800 E Deluxe
P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all This is an old problem but i ahve been too caught up with other things to worry about a PC! When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ |
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"Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect What serial # is your board? Some earlier versions had issues with some power supplys which caused all sorts of strange issues. Also, did you trying running the motherboard outside of the case to check for shorts? --- Kevin Chalker, Owner KC COMPUTERS E-mail: Web: www.kc-computers.com Internet dealer for 13+ years!!! See WWW.RESELLERRATINGS.COM!!! |
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In article , "Jaz"
wrote: P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all This is an old problem but i ahve been too caught up with other things to worry about a PC! When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ There are technologies for isolating defective hardware, but computers are not equipped with them. At some point, all you can do, is swap certain hardware, and see if the symptoms improve. At this point, I don't see any piece of hardware as being above suspicion. It still sounds like the memory is not healthy. If you get a copy of Prime95 (mersenne.org) and run the Torture test (selecting "small FFT"), that will test the CPU and cache. Selecting "small FFT" means the calculation can stay within the processor, and means there will be fewer references to main memory. If you cannot pass this test, it could be the processor or some support circuitry on the motherboard. When Prime95 runs a larger FFT, that will result in accesses to main memory. If the program gets rounding errors or crashes at this point, then since you've already run the "small FFT" to eliminate the processor as the source of the problem, you will know your problem is memory related. To back up a bit, I think you should review your settings again. To start with, you should not be using any memory options like "Turbo" or "Street Racer" and the like. Do a "Load Setup Defaults" and only add to that your manual timing changes for memory. Verify the settings while in Windows, with: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php Check that all the clock speeds reported are correct. As for power, unplug the computer from the wall, pull the ATX20 pin connector, and inspect the pins and connector plastic shell for signs of damage. Plug the connector back in, and make sure the connector is fully seated, and the locking latch is engaged. Connectors can "walk out" of a socket, by thermal expansion and contraction, and the locking latch will prevent that from happening. If it was me, I'd be searching for a stick of RAM to borrow, to compare to the Kingmax you currently have. Companies like Kingmax bother me, because they do their own packaging of memory chips, and as consumers, we have no way of knowing whether the chips used were properly tested or rated according to processes used in real memory houses (Samsung, Micron, Infineon, Hynix, Nanya, Elpida, Mosel Vitelic, Powerchips, OKI). I prefer to see one of those names on a memory chip, as they make the silicon and know how to test it. When a DIMM module manufacturer stamps their own name on a memory, we have no way of tracking who supplied the die - especially for those cases where certain die are known to be incompatible with certain chipsets. You mention burning software, and any time that involves the installation of drivers and the like, a software package could destabilize your disk subsystem. Grab a spare disk, do a fresh Windows install and test the system without any burning software on it. Load your copy of Prime95 on there and do the two test cases. For the reboots, you should set up the computer to avoid the automatic reboot. If you visit something like: Control Panels, System, Advanced tab, Startup and Recovery and set the system up so it "blue screens" and puts error information on the screen. If the crash is in random module names, the problem is more likely to be memory. If the crash is in the same driver/code module each time, then the driver name may suggest a particular part of the system as being at fault. As the testing process is not precise, when using free tools, expect some uncertainty as to which hardware/software is at fault. So far, nothing suggests a video card problem, but once you collect some "blue screen" data, your opinion on that may change. HTH, Paul |
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Jaz wrote:
P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ I have the same m/b and Prescott 2.8e CPU (1M internal cache). I use 2 pieces of 256M crucial dual channel (matched) but the major difference is I use a 450w power supply. As you have found the 3.3V supply is 3.07 this is below the minimum voltage for the on-board internal 3.3V regulator. It is this regulator that reduces voltage even further for the CPU core. See one of the many links on google: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/char/powerSupport-c.html A 350W PSU is OK for Pentium 3 chips and motherboards, you need to start at 450W. As you also have a Radeon 9200 board you may find that power consumption is actually higher than a later 9800 chipset. My personal choice is an Nvidia graphics card but there is nothing wrong with your choice of graphics card. You need to borrow a 450W or higher PSU and try it on your system, that should eliminate your problems. One other point to note: As the P4p800E deluxe has dual channel memory architecture then you should take advantage of it. You have only 1 piece of 512M ram using ONE memory channel only. You would have been better buying a 'dual channel kit' i.e. one with 2 pieces of 256M ram critically matched and plugged into two memory slots to use both memory channels. http://www.cpuplanet.com/features/article.php/1587771 You could just buy another 512M stick, but it has the be the same type and manufacturer with same latency. The kits are matched by the manufacturer for almost identical performance. HTH |
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What version BIOS?
"Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all This is an old problem but i ahve been too caught up with other things to worry about a PC! When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ |
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With a good machine like this you really should be running Windows XP or
Win2k, many of your problems will disappear. "Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all This is an old problem but i ahve been too caught up with other things to worry about a PC! When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ |
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Revision 1.02
or there is a barcode sticker with 47mgoq3107 on it Nothing that says blatantly serial number that i can see Erm testing without the case - sounds like a way for me to blow myself up ! but hey ill give anything a shot (erm ... how ???) "KC Computers" wrote in message ... "Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect What serial # is your board? Some earlier versions had issues with some power supplys which caused all sorts of strange issues. Also, did you trying running the motherboard outside of the case to check for shorts? --- Kevin Chalker, Owner KC COMPUTERS E-mail: Web: www.kc-computers.com Internet dealer for 13+ years!!! See WWW.RESELLERRATINGS.COM!!! |
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How can the OS matter when the hard drive is not connected ?
Is somthing copied to the BIOS ?? "Pete D" wrote in message ... With a good machine like this you really should be running Windows XP or Win2k, many of your problems will disappear. "Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all This is an old problem but i ahve been too caught up with other things to worry about a PC! When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ |
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Yes you are right, the board is faulty, take it back.
"Jaz" wrote in message ... How can the OS matter when the hard drive is not connected ? Is somthing copied to the BIOS ?? "Pete D" wrote in message ... With a good machine like this you really should be running Windows XP or Win2k, many of your problems will disappear. "Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE Hello again all This is an old problem but i ahve been too caught up with other things to worry about a PC! When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i need some more of the advice that has been fantastic to eliminate .. now its time to locate !! TIA JAZ |
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Unless you actually open up the power supply there is only low voltages.
"Jaz" wrote in message ... Revision 1.02 or there is a barcode sticker with 47mgoq3107 on it Nothing that says blatantly serial number that i can see Erm testing without the case - sounds like a way for me to blow myself up ! but hey ill give anything a shot (erm ... how ???) "KC Computers" wrote in message ... "Jaz" wrote in message ... P4P800 E Deluxe P4 2.8e (Prescott) Omni 400w OR Yaha 350w 1 x 512mb Kingmax pc3200 Auriga Radeon 9200 OR Gigabyte GeForce 5200 Liteon DVD ROM Liteon DVD RW Windows 98 SE When i first built this system the problems it was having were random re-boots random system hangs and acting if there were minimal ram while ripping/burning The re-boots seem to have been solved by setting the RAM manually as advised by Kingmax website. Now there was suggestion that a bios flash may help as i have a prescott CPU HOWEVER i can not even run a full extended test suite with extended memory map with MS memory tester even once before the system will hang or cause an 'exception' - so im goin nowhere near a flash. The instances are not always on the same test This is with nothing but the CPU, ram, vid card, floppy, monitor, kb, mouse and speakers plugged in. I cant run memtest86 at all - it just loads for a short time flashes blue and re-starts - the usb legacy change makes no difference. I have tried different sticks of ram, alternate vid cards and alternate power supplys all with the same problem The temps sit quite nicley at 30ish for the MB and 45ish for CPU The only noteable difference is when running the 350w power the 3.3 voltage bounces around 3.07 - it is higher with the 400w SO I know its not the ram, PSU, vid card or OS leaving me with Motherboard or CPU .. not a nice prospect What serial # is your board? Some earlier versions had issues with some power supplys which caused all sorts of strange issues. Also, did you trying running the motherboard outside of the case to check for shorts? --- Kevin Chalker, Owner KC COMPUTERS E-mail: Web: www.kc-computers.com Internet dealer for 13+ years!!! See WWW.RESELLERRATINGS.COM!!! |
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