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Old August 24th 03, 04:33 PM
Daniel Yates
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates


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Old August 24th 03, 06:00 PM
Too_Much_Coffee
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
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Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan


I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with power to
spare.


Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)


Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB


I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a heavy
gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.


Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates




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Old August 24th 03, 06:30 PM
warlord716
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo


since u are getting a cpu that is hyper threading ready, dump the 865
chipset and get a nice 875...much better for oc-ing, besides its the newest
and best.

if u are looking for a price around $125, check out the ABit Ic7, exceleent
except it dont have onboard lan. if u are willing to drop $175 check out
the asus p4c800-E deluxe.

i dont know the deal with the cost of these parts in the uk, but check it
out.
Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates




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Old August 24th 03, 07:18 PM
Thomas
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Too_Much_Coffee wrote:
I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with
power to spare.


Same comment here, with an enermax 365 Watt :-)
I use SCSI harddrives, 3 CD drives, also a P4 2.6C, overclocked to 3.25 GHz,
an overclocked Ati Radeon... more than enough power...

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)


Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB


I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a
heavy gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.


I am an Ati lover myself... If you're a gamer, go for the 9800 non-pro..
best quality/value. Ati's are much better at using anti-aliasing than the GF
FX cards. Speed is about the same...

If you play games sometimes, you could go for the Ati 9600, which supports
DirectX 9.0, and still has more power than the Geforce FX 5200.

If you just play a game occasionally, a Radeon 9000 would be sufficient..
not fast, but quite cheap, and very good in 2D.

I applaud your move into watercooling, i've been wanting to start that
myself, but i never have had the nerve to take the first step. When i start
it, I'd like to have a cooler for the CPU, the vid chip, the mainboard
chipset, the harddrives... big big expenses :-)

Thomas


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Old August 24th 03, 09:17 PM
Overlord
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:18:17 +0200, "Thomas"
wrote:

Too_Much_Coffee wrote:
I have 3 hard drives and two CDs on an Antec True380 (380W) with
power to spare.


Same comment here, with an enermax 365 Watt :-)
I use SCSI harddrives, 3 CD drives, also a P4 2.6C, overclocked to 3.25 GHz,
an overclocked Ati Radeon... more than enough power...

8 SCSI hard drives; a 15k drive and a handful of 10k drives plus 2
CD/RW overclocking 3.06/ram/video card on an Enermax 431watt with no
problems. I've run up to 8 or so 7200rpm drives on an old PC Power &
Cooling Silencer 230watt (think it was) but gave it up when an Athlon
upgrade didn't like the amperage. The X15 is quieter than the 10k
drives.

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

I like the matched Corsair LLP ram. I've run 2-2-2-5 up to a system
3.5gig OC. Pricier tho.

Do you really need 1GB of ram? 2x256MB is more than adequate for most.


Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Running an Albatron G4 Ti4800se. It's a great OCer

I would look at the FX5600 Ultra. It supports DX9. If you aren't a
heavy gamer, the Ti4200 or even the FX5200 would be fast enough.


I am an Ati lover myself... If you're a gamer, go for the 9800 non-pro..
best quality/value. Ati's are much better at using anti-aliasing than the GF
FX cards. Speed is about the same...

If you play games sometimes, you could go for the Ati 9600, which supports
DirectX 9.0, and still has more power than the Geforce FX 5200.

If you just play a game occasionally, a Radeon 9000 would be sufficient..
not fast, but quite cheap, and very good in 2D.

I applaud your move into watercooling, i've been wanting to start that
myself, but i never have had the nerve to take the first step. When i start
it, I'd like to have a cooler for the CPU, the vid chip, the mainboard
chipset, the harddrives... big big expenses :-)

Thomas



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Old August 25th 03, 01:32 AM
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You may want to check the Antec & Sparkle/FSP-Group/SPI power supplies.
They are very good quality - and consider what power output you require.

For a silent solution, realise PSU & Radiator fans add up logarithmically:
o For 2 fans, A & B, the cumulative dB(A) = 10*@LOG(10^(A/10)+10^(B/10))
o The sequence repeats for more fans

Remember silence is the sum of the parts, with the weakest counting :-)
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Old August 25th 03, 02:34 AM
John
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"warlord716 yahoo.com" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done

years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest

parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know

each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo


since u are getting a cpu that is hyper threading ready, dump the 865
chipset and get a nice 875...much better for oc-ing, besides its the

newest
and best.

if u are looking for a price around $125, check out the ABit Ic7,

exceleent
except it dont have onboard lan. if u are willing to drop $175 check out
the asus p4c800-E deluxe.

i dont know the deal with the cost of these parts in the uk, but check it
out.
Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates




Yep. I'd go for an Asus P4C800-E


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Old August 25th 03, 02:02 PM
Lee
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Get rid of the intel p4 for a barton and you probably already saved around
50 quid of your price.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:33:41 +0100, "Daniel Yates"
put his keys in ignition and wrote:

||Hi all
||
||Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
||ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard rigs
||from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
||imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY
||
||I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
||individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
||looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any known
||"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
||shoddy bios etc.
||
||Parts are as follows
||
||Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window
||
||Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan
||
||Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo
||
||Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB
||
||Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling
||
||Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)
||
||Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB
||
||Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24
||
||I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
||shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
||aiming lower?
||
||Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?
||
||Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
||prior to purchasing?
||
||I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
||800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many of
||these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
||they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they do.
||
||Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered
||
||Kind Regards
||
||Daniel Yates
||

---
Lee.
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Old August 25th 03, 05:15 PM
Frank Weston
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A couple of things:

For about $65 more, why not the 2.8 FSB 800 processor? That's a pretty
cheap .2 Mhz boost.

If you're running Win2K, Hyperthreading won't work, you'll have to upgrade
to WinXP.

If noise is the reason you're going with water cooling, why not save some
bucks and hassle and go with the Zalman 7000Cu? I've had my system running
at 3.4 Mhz, steady, for a couple of months with a Zalman, and it's cool and
quiet.

The Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB is an OK card, but mostly just a rehash
and minor upgrade of older technology. For the same price or a little less,
you might want to consider the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.

Good Luck!


"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates




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Old August 26th 03, 12:49 AM
Dark1
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"Daniel Yates" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Well, I am biting the biscuit and doing something I should have done years
ago and building my own setup. After many years of buying sub standard

rigs
from mainstream vendors with great "stats" yet the cheapest nastiest parts
imaginable I am determined to caugh up the mulah and go for DIY

I am looking for some advice on the components I have chosen. I know each
individual have their own "tastes" when it comes to parts, but what I am
looking for is any known compatibility problems between the parts, any

known
"major" issues with various parts i.e tempermental motherboards with a
shoddy bios etc.

Parts are as follows

Thermaltake ATX Supertower ( black ) with window

Thermaltake Silent 480W ATX PSU Dual Fan

Asustek S478 Intel 865PE Deluxe ATX A L R Mobo

Intel P4 2.6 512Kb S478 800FSB

Thermaltake S478/SoA Aquarius II Water Cooling

Kingston ValueRAM 2x512MB PC3200 DDR (matched)

Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4800 128MB

Asustek CD-RW 52/52/24

I have worked out I can buy this set up for around 700 with a bit of
shopping around and trips to Bowlers - is this good value or should I be
aiming lower?

Does anyone know if any of these parts will clash with each other?

Are there any known bugs with any of these parts which I should consider
prior to purchasing?

I am wanting to make sure the PC is hyperthread ready, can run at full
800FSB and is utilising AGP 3.0 standards. Of course many would say many

of
these functions are currently defunct as they are not being utilised but
they will be eventually, and I would like to be readyf or them when they

do.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice offered

Kind Regards

Daniel Yates

I'm not certain why you're going with the watercooling rig, if it's for just
plain quietness, consider something like a thermalright SLK-800 and a slow
80mm fan, or smartfan.. will be just as quiet and cheaper..
If it's because you want to overclock a good bit, get some faster RAM..
memmory is commonly the bottleneck and the price difference is minimal..
I also suggest going ahead and getting a vid card that will support directx
9.. that's where the important performance step is when it comes to running
games tommorow, something along the lines of a geforce fx or radeon 9700..


 




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