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  #11  
Old April 9th 08, 10:41 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Cydrome Leader
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:
I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
setup menu every time you boot.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
is replaced & other such nonsense.

I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.

Thanks!

Doug White

Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but

can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?

I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno


never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.


what firmware versions are you running?


As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.


This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.
  #12  
Old April 9th 08, 11:12 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Franc Zabkar
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
put finger to keyboard and composed:

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:


I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno


never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.


what firmware versions are you running?


As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.


This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.


Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html

PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04

- Franc Zabkar
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  #13  
Old April 9th 08, 11:20 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Franc Zabkar
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:12:42 +1000, Franc Zabkar
put finger to keyboard and composed:

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
put finger to keyboard and composed:


This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.


Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html

PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04


The YYWW date code on one of the chips suggests the card could have
been manufactured as early as week 16 of 2003:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_libra...32044.jpg?2477

- Franc Zabkar
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  #14  
Old April 10th 08, 12:59 AM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Doug White
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

Keywords:
In article , Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader
wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:
I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
setup menu every time you boot.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
is replaced & other such nonsense.

I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.

Thanks!

Doug White

Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but


can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?


I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.


I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop
was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver &
firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally.

I will never buy another Adaptec product.

Doug White
  #15  
Old April 10th 08, 10:22 AM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Maxim S. Shatskih
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop
was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver &
firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally.

I will never buy another Adaptec product.


I run the Adaptec SCSI card (160MB/s, the one with Windows driver "adpu160m")
for 8 years or so. No issues.

--
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation

http://www.storagecraft.com

  #16  
Old April 10th 08, 02:12 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Cydrome Leader
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

In comp.arch.storage Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
put finger to keyboard and composed:

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:


I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno

never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.

what firmware versions are you running?

As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.


This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.


Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html


a 2420sa isn't a 2410sa, kind of like how 3 isn't equal to 7
  #17  
Old April 10th 08, 02:14 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Cydrome Leader
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Posts: 113
Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

In comp.arch.storage Doug White wrote:
Keywords:
In article , Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader
wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:
I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
setup menu every time you boot.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
is replaced & other such nonsense.

I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.

Thanks!

Doug White

Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but


can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?


I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.


I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop
was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver &
firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally.


why didn't you replace it then?

"look my computer is broken. I don't do anything about it though!"
  #18  
Old April 10th 08, 02:45 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Arno Wagner
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:
I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
setup menu every time you boot.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
is replaced & other such nonsense.

I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.

Thanks!

Doug White

Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but

can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?

I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno


never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.


what firmware versions are you running?


As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.


This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.


Maybe it was 3 years. I diod nto invest a lot of time into it after
I had to rip it out of the server because it did not work well.

Arno
  #19  
Old April 10th 08, 02:47 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Arno Wagner
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
put finger to keyboard and composed:

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:


I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno

never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.

what firmware versions are you running?

As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.

This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.


Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html


a 2420sa isn't a 2410sa, kind of like how 3 isn't equal to 7


Both are numbers. If looking at a 3 strongly suggets the people
producing it cannot count, the same is likely true for the 7.

Oh, and BTW, you have just been caught in a lie. Anything you say
now is suspect.

Arno
  #20  
Old April 10th 08, 02:48 PM posted to comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Arno Wagner
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Default Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
put finger to keyboard and composed:


In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader wrote:
In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White wrote:


I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno

never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.

what firmware versions are you running?

As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.


This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.


Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html


PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04


Thanks. Seems some people are shamelessly lying just to give the
impression some others are wrong. Disgusting.

Arno
 




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