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January 20th 04, 07:57 PM
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Mark H wrote in message ...
Since the 2500's are now locked - you can still easily reach 2200mhz with the retail heat sink. Jon Rose wrote: Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and a 2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to get it to 200 Mhz FSB). Jon curious when did they start locking the Barton 2500's? I just bought one from newegg.com and it is not locked. 
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January 20th 04, 09:26 PM
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Most say the locking started at week 39. There have been reports of some
locked as early a week 35. What week is your's? If you dont know, post the code number on it and I'll tell you. It would be something like "AIUGB 0348UPMW". This would be week 48 of 2003. Dave "jamotto" wrote in message om... Mark H wrote in message ... Since the 2500's are now locked - you can still easily reach 2200mhz with the retail heat sink. Jon Rose wrote: Can that be done with the retail fan and heatsink? I have an NF7-S and a 2500+ on its way. Wondering if I need an aftermarket sink and fan to get it to 200 Mhz FSB). Jon curious when did they start locking the Barton 2500's? I just bought one from newegg.com and it is not locked.
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January 21st 04, 04:59 AM
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"DaveL" wrote in message ...
Most say the locking started at week 39. There have been reports of some locked as early a week 35. What week is your's? If you dont know, post the code number on it and I'll tell you. It would be something like "AIUGB 0348UPMW". This would be week 48 of 2003. mmm well if it is not the serial number for the warranty then I don't have it. Or I recorded the wrong number. Also I'm kind of using it right now and I don't think I can get it out. It took a friend and I an hour to get it in because the heatsink it used was the worst heatsink I ever had to install! It had a green plastic thing for placeing the screwdriver into to help push the retaining clip down it also did not have the indention for the raised back part of the socket the previous 2500 I bought had this indention in the heatsink. anyway, I guess I will assume I have a Processor that is 35week.
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January 22nd 04, 05:37 PM
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I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But I
believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull installation practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD. Dave "Homie" wrote in message ... Homie P.S. I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the past 6 months. that's out of about 300 AMD repairs Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years ....over 5000 Intel based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's. Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the heat-sink on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it didn't ****in burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't made to fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty .... wonder why AMD does that ? ???? Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling **** and telling us its Shinola. And what the **** am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs off it and send it to me to fix :-) No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to everyone for desert ? that might use all 64 bits .... -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated. -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated.
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January 22nd 04, 07:47 PM
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In my situation, 5 CPU's lost while repairing motherboards is nearly $600 profit right
out of my pocket, not to mention the waisted time caused by the failure in the middle of what otherwise would have been a good day. I use more care with AMD CPU's than any other component I work with daily, still the results tell the truth. I just don't see how it's a good deal to have a product that has no built in safeguards. They are great performers for the buck, however, heat-sink compound does dry out, fans do fail, power supplies go whacky, none of these things has killed an Intel while under my care but all of those things have killed AMD's at my expense. AND it always happens at the worst possible time....day before Christmas , same day the car dies...you know....... If AMD would implement even crude safeguards like a 5 second warning or at the very least crowbar the damn ATX........ I would have much nicer things to say. Meanwhile, I have several 2~3Ghz key fobs.... they do make good conversation pieces. Next I am going to make a VIA BGA chip-set hood ornament... (Not kidding at all....they are a pain to remove without damage but they look so kool). Gary -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "DaveL" wrote in message ... I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But I believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull installation practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD. Dave "Homie" wrote in message ... Homie P.S. I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the past 6 months. that's out of about 300 AMD repairs Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years ....over 5000 Intel based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's. Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the heat-sink on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it didn't ****in burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't made to fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty .... wonder why AMD does that ? ???? Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling **** and telling us its Shinola. And what the **** am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs off it and send it to me to fix :-) No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to everyone for desert ? that might use all 64 bits .... -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated. -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated.
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January 22nd 04, 08:30 PM
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All my AMD motherboards have a automatic shutdown mechanism if the cpu gets
hot, like if the fan dies or heatsink falls off. I saw a newbie in another NG that was setting up an Athlon64 system. He thought he would test out his shiny new cpu before mounting the HSF because he did not want to get it messy in case he had to return it. He was asking why it would not boot up. After we set him straight (and had a good time laughing at him) he mounted the HSF and it still worked, it was not burnt out. So I'm thinking the new Athlon64s have some type of thermal protection. Dave "Homie" wrote in message ... In my situation, 5 CPU's lost while repairing motherboards is nearly $600 profit right out of my pocket, not to mention the waisted time caused by the failure in the middle of what otherwise would have been a good day. I use more care with AMD CPU's than any other component I work with daily, still the results tell the truth. I just don't see how it's a good deal to have a product that has no built in safeguards. They are great performers for the buck, however, heat-sink compound does dry out, fans do fail, power supplies go whacky, none of these things has killed an Intel while under my care but all of those things have killed AMD's at my expense. AND it always happens at the worst possible time....day before Christmas , same day the car dies...you know....... If AMD would implement even crude safeguards like a 5 second warning or at the very least crowbar the damn ATX........ I would have much nicer things to say. Meanwhile, I have several 2~3Ghz key fobs.... they do make good conversation pieces. Next I am going to make a VIA BGA chip-set hood ornament... (Not kidding at all....they are a pain to remove without damage but they look so kool). Gary -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "DaveL" wrote in message ... I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But I believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull installation practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD. Dave "Homie" wrote in message ... Homie P.S. I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the past 6 months. that's out of about 300 AMD repairs Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years .....over 5000 Intel based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's. Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the heat-sink on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it didn't ****in burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't made to fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty .... wonder why AMD does that ? ???? Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling **** and telling us its Shinola. And what the **** am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs off it and send it to me to fix :-) No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to everyone for desert ? that might use all 64 bits .... -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated. -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated.
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January 22nd 04, 10:03 PM
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If it survived for even 3 seconds without a heat-sink, it's got something the Athlons
don't. I fried 2 slot A 950's last year when I neglected to plug in the fans, the bios alarms & shutdown were set but they were about 30 seconds too late. That external temp sensor (I think that's Via's great Idea) is about like having the fire department walk to your burning house with empty buckets....at least when they get there, they could tell ya..."yep, she's a hot one" I assure you, the 2.2g Athlon's will self destruct faster than you can shut down the supply when they are booted without a heat-sink.......Sometimes, just to add insult, they will take out the on-board regulators and chip-set too! I am not the sharpest tack in the box but every time it has happened to me, it was because I was destracted for just a second as I was doing the final build before the final test....you know, phone rings, sit down the heat-sink, wipe the white/silver slime off my hands, talk for 5 minutes..... then walk back to the test jig and think...OH..I just need to boot this and get it ready to ship.... 2 seconds later as the current meters head for a jigawatt----- that's when I can't speak English &^%* I am sure the neighbors hear something like "Trucking 8MDEEES Truck! Chucking !!chuk !!duck !suck! muck guck! ruck guck puck ! "" (.. If they fixed that in the 64.... I will start recommending AMD's.) Gary -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "DaveL" wrote in message news 
All my AMD motherboards have a automatic shutdown mechanism if the cpu getshot, like if the fan dies or heatsink falls off. I saw a newbie in another NG that was setting up an Athlon64 system. He thought he would test out his shiny new cpu before mounting the HSF because he did not want to get it messy in case he had to return it. He was asking why it would not boot up. After we set him straight (and had a good time laughing at him) he mounted the HSF and it still worked, it was not burnt out. So I'm thinking the new Athlon64s have some type of thermal protection. Dave "Homie" wrote in message ... In my situation, 5 CPU's lost while repairing motherboards is nearly $600 profit right out of my pocket, not to mention the waisted time caused by the failure in the middle of what otherwise would have been a good day. I use more care with AMD CPU's than any other component I work with daily, still the results tell the truth. I just don't see how it's a good deal to have a product that has no built in safeguards. They are great performers for the buck, however, heat-sink compound does dry out, fans do fail, power supplies go whacky, none of these things has killed an Intel while under my care but all of those things have killed AMD's at my expense. AND it always happens at the worst possible time....day before Christmas , same day the car dies...you know....... If AMD would implement even crude safeguards like a 5 second warning or at the very least crowbar the damn ATX........ I would have much nicer things to say. Meanwhile, I have several 2~3Ghz key fobs.... they do make good conversation pieces. Next I am going to make a VIA BGA chip-set hood ornament... (Not kidding at all....they are a pain to remove without damage but they look so kool). Gary -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "DaveL" wrote in message ... I'll agree that the AMD Athlons are not as rugged as the Intel chips. But I believe the difference can be made up with learned and carefull installation practices. What I mean is, if you are new to building a system then go Intel. If you know what you are doing and can afford to take the little extra time and care, then by all means, save some money and go AMD. Dave "Homie" wrote in message ... Homie P.S. I fried/crushed/ installed into faulty motherboards 5 AMD cpu's in the past 6 months. that's out of about 300 AMD repairs Zero " 0 " fried / Damaged Intel CPU's...in the last 3 years .....over 5000 Intel based boards repaired & tested with Intel cpu's. Some had 5 volts to the core, a few, I just plain forgot to put the heat-sink on....didn't matter ! Bios beeped video went a little funny....but it didn't ****in burn up in 2 seconds like AMD cpu's do....Then corners of the cores aren't made to fall off so that the manufacture can claim abuse and no warranty .... wonder why AMD does that ? ???? Not biased, I just think that AMD is selling **** and telling us its Shinola. And what the **** am I gonna do with a 64bit CPU ??? I know...break legs off it and send it to me to fix :-) No, I know.....I will set up a server and serve MS. net documents to everyone for desert ? that might use all 64 bits .... -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated. -- Mainboards, Videocards & CPU pin repair. http://motherboardrepair.com "Papa Lazarou" wrote in message ... Hi y'all. It's time for my trusty KT7A & 1.4ghz Athlon to hang up its boots and I need some advice on my new system. I've decided on either an AMD based 2800xp with Abit NFS-7 mb, or a more expensive 2.8ghz P4 on an Abit AI7. Neither will be overclocked as I am going for as quiet a system as possible so radical cooling is out of the question. Is there any noise difference between the two systems with stock heatsink/fans? The heavy duty activities the machine will be used for are gaming and Mpeg 2 encoding (using Tmpgenc). At first I was all set to take the AMD route without even considering the P4, but then it occurred to me that mpeg encoding is basically a pure number-crunching operation and that for this purpose the 2.1ghz 2800xp will be obviously inferior to the sheer power of a 2.8ghz P4. Am I correct in thinking this, as I don't mind springing the extra bucks for the P4 system if it gives me this 33% boost on my encodes? Any advice appreciated.
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January 23rd 04, 12:02 AM
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Looks like they did Homie.
I downloaded a video from Toms Hardware guide. At the end of the bench marking they take off the heatsink on both a P4 and a Athlon 64. They both shut down. As I recall, they both shut down around 85 to 90 degrees C. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2003...lon_64-53.html You need the latest divx to view the video... Forrest Motherboard Help By HAL web site: http://home.comcast.net/~hal-9000/ On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:03:59 GMT, "Homie" wrote: snip (.. If they fixed that in the 64.... I will start recommending AMD's.) Gary
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January 23rd 04, 02:13 AM
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:03:59 GMT, "Homie" wrote:
If it survived for even 3 seconds without a heat-sink, it's got something the Athlons don't. I fried 2 slot A 950's last year when I neglected to plug in the fans, the bios alarms & shutdown were set but they were about 30 seconds too late. That external temp sensor (I think that's Via's great Idea) is about like having the fire department walk to your burning house with empty buckets....at least when they get there, they could tell ya..."yep, she's a hot one" I assure you, the 2.2g Athlon's will self destruct faster than you can shut down the supply when they are booted without a heat-sink.......Sometimes, just to add insult, they will take out the on-board regulators and chip-set too! I am not the sharpest tack in the box but every time it has happened to me, it was because I was destracted for just a second as I was doing the final build before the final test....you know, phone rings, sit down the heat-sink, wipe the white/silver slime off my hands, talk for 5 minutes..... then walk back to the test jig and think...OH..I just need to boot this and get it ready to ship.... 2 seconds later as the current meters head for a jigawatt----- that's when I can't speak English &^%* I am sure the neighbors hear something like "Trucking 8MDEEES Truck! Chucking !!chuk !!duck !suck! muck guck! ruck guck puck ! "" (.. If they fixed that in the 64.... I will start recommending AMD's.) I thought the AthlonXP had a shut down since the 2100+, or something like that. But that's just an emergency shutdown. ...And I haven't 'tested' it. P4's throttle. A64 are supposed to have more advanced powermanagement than the P4. Still don't see your reasons for complaints? Guy asked for "Advice needed: AMD or Intel". There's no problems to building an Athlon. There's much better reasons for building AMD than not. And your complaint doesn't even amount to a reason, IMO. Ancra
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