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How it is possible
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 08/03/2021 00.30, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 at 16:12:25, micky wrote (my responses usually follow points raised): How it is possible that one SSD is 17 times as fast as another but costs less? Both are 240G. Why would anyone buy the slower one (like I did last summer)? [] In the comparison list of the first one, 4 of them side by side, half way to the bottom of the page, 2 others are the same speed as the first, but the second one is 17 times as fast. In a similar side-by-side comparison list on the second page, the same thing is true. Only the PNY is so fast, and for less money. Does PNY know something the others don't know. Even leaving aside Jeff's point about bits versus bytes, speed isn't the only important parameter for and SSD: there are probably many, but the one that bugs me is the tolerated number of writes - which for the same size SSD in the same machine/use, more or less maps to lifetime. You also need to know how they behave when they reach their end of life: do they continue trying to work (I don't think any), switch to read-only, or just become a brick (at least one make/range does). Which one bricks? That's important to know. Intel SSDs stop both reads and writes, when the wear life is exceeded. Once the wear life hits, say, 3000 writes per location, the drive stops responding. This makes it not possible to do a backup or a clone. As a consequence, the user is advised to keep a Toolkit handy which has an end-of-life predictor, for better quality handoff. Of course your drive is not near end of life. But, you only know the wear rate, if you check the Toolkit occasionally for the projections on life. And, you look pretty bad, if the topic slips your mind, and you start asking for help with that "too crusty backup I made two years ago". We don't want this topic to be handled by people losing data. It's a shame, that several of the toolkits, suck. I was not impressed with a couple I checked. Hobbyists could write better code - code that displayed the salient data to keep users informed. And a drive I could not keep because the hardware sucked, the toolkit was great. That's just how this computer stuff works. ******* The point of making an example out of Intel, is to make you aware of what the most extreme policy is. And Intel wins the prize in this case. Some products from competitors, will allow you to read, and they stop writing. This allows you to make a backup using a Macrium CD, and prepare a replacement SSD. The reason Intel stops reading, is to guard against the possibility that read errors are not getting detected properly. Intel arbitrarily decided that only "perfect" data need apply. And they weren't going to allow a certain BER to leak out and then customers blame Intel for "accepting corrupt data". One of the BER indicators in the SSD datasheets, is 10x less good than a hard drive (one product might be 10^-15, the other 10^-14 kind of thing). And you may find review articles making references to this, that this difference is a bad thing. The ECC on SSDs is already a pretty heavy weight item. A bit more than 10% of flash cells, are likely being used just to hold the ECC. And it's that ECC calc that keeps TLC flash from ruining our data. One of the first TLC drives, every sector had errors, and it was the ECC that transparently made the drive look "perfect" to the user. When this happens, the drive can slow down (ECC done by ARM cores, not hardware), and this makes the more aggressive storage techs (QLC flash) look bad. It's the "stale slow" drive problem - one way to fix it, is for the drive to re-write itself at intervals, which of course depletes the wear life. The topic is a lot like BEV (electric) cars :-) "Different, in a bad way" :-) The populace will know, when everyone has had the mechanic tell them "your battery pack needs to be replaced". Paul |
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