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Network bridge problem
Hi,
My cable wireless modem is too far away in the house and behind too many walls from my home cluster that I have set up an old computer as a relay PC. The network looks like this: Wifi cable router .. .. .. --- Wireless connection .. .. Relay PC with USB wireless dongle | | | --- Ethernet cable | | 8 port switch | | --- Ethernet cables | PC1, etc. If I set up my relay PC to only have a wireless connection to the router with the ethernet connection disabled, I get full internet connectivity. ipconfig /all gives: Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Relay Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 54M Wireless USB Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-12-3C-5A-13-0F Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.199 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 16 January 2009 00:01:27 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 16 January 2009 04:01:27 If I enable my ethernet connection and select both ethernet/wireless to have a network bridge, I get the following results: Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Relay Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Network Bridge (Network Bridge): Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : MAC Bridge Miniport Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 01-02-3F-04-0C-1E Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.198 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 16 January 2009 00:05:49 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 16 January 2009 04:05:49 A wierd error happens where I can connect to Google and get up-to-date Google News, Groups, etc. When I ping a website (like news websites) I can resolve their numerical IP address. However, when I try to connect to them, the connection doesn't work. I've tried turning off my Windows and software firewalls but it still doesn't work. Any ideas what the problem might be? Thanks. |
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in message
... Hi, My cable wireless modem is too far away in the house and behind too many walls from my home cluster that I have set up an old computer as a relay PC. SNIP A wierd error happens where I can connect to Google and get up-to-date Google News, Groups, etc. When I ping a website (like news websites) I can resolve their numerical IP address. However, when I try to connect to them, the connection doesn't work. I've tried turning off my Windows and software firewalls but it still doesn't work. Any ideas what the problem might be? What routing software are you running on the "stepping stone" PC? Have you just bridges the connections using the XP "bridge connections" option?. This might help http://www.windowsnetworking.com/art.../wxpbrdge.html XP generally has difficulty having both wired and wireless connections on the same PC. Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! And I had a full 100mbps connection to the computers in the house too, not the crappy 1-2mbps wireless would have given me! Rarius |
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Rarius wrote:
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in message ... Hi, My cable wireless modem is too far away in the house and behind too many walls from my home cluster that I have set up an old computer as a relay PC. SNIP A wierd error happens where I can connect to Google and get up-to-date Google News, Groups, etc. When I ping a website (like news websites) I can resolve their numerical IP address. However, when I try to connect to them, the connection doesn't work. I've tried turning off my Windows and software firewalls but it still doesn't work. Any ideas what the problem might be? What routing software are you running on the "stepping stone" PC? Have you just bridges the connections using the XP "bridge connections" option?. This might help http://www.windowsnetworking.com/art.../wxpbrdge.html XP generally has difficulty having both wired and wireless connections on the same PC. Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! Did you bury it in a proper cable trench with marker tape to SI standards. |
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On 16 Jan, 11:11, "Rarius" wrote:
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in ... Hi, My cable wireless modem is too far away in the house and behind too many walls from my home cluster that I have set up an old computer as a relay PC. SNIP A wierd error happens where I can connect to Google and get up-to-date Google News, Groups, etc. When I ping a website (like news websites) I can resolve their numerical IP address. However, when I try to connect to them, the connection doesn't work. I've tried turning off my Windows and software firewalls but it still doesn't work. Any ideas what the problem might be? What routing software are you running on the "stepping stone" PC? Have you just bridges the connections using the XP "bridge connections" option?. This might helphttp://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/wxpbrdge.html Yes I'm just using Windows XP's bridge connections option. XP generally has difficulty having both wired and wireless connections on the same PC. I was beginning to figure that out. Even when I don't bridge the connections, and have just wired + wireless connections on, this problem arises. Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! And I had a full 100mbps connection to the computers in the house too, not the crappy 1-2mbps wireless would have given me! If there is an outdoor portion of about 3m, how weatherproof are ethernet cables? Will they survive in wet/dry, hot/cold, sun, snow, etc. or do I need to put them in a PVC pipe? |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:35:23 -0800 (PST), Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
wrote: On 16 Jan, 11:11, "Rarius" wrote: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in ... Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! And I had a full 100mbps connection to the computers in the house too, not the crappy 1-2mbps wireless would have given me! If there is an outdoor portion of about 3m, how weatherproof are ethernet cables? Will they survive in wet/dry, hot/cold, sun, snow, etc. or do I need to put them in a PVC pipe? Love your nick. FWIW, in 2002 I ran a south facing, 20 meter Cat 5 outside cable between house and garage, and has resisted very hot summers and occasional sub-freezing winter-days. It's not buried, but stapled to the outside walls, with a 2 meter aerial section between the two buildings in a PVC pipe. If you have to bury your Ethernet cable look for external grade and yes, a PVC pipe gives more protection. It goes without saying that you should check what your local regulations prescribe, if anything, first. |
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"bcoombes" wrote in message ... Rarius wrote: Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! Did you bury it in a proper cable trench with marker tape to SI standards. No I didn't bury it. I put it through pvc conduit attached to the fence. Rarius |
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in message ... On 16 Jan, 11:11, "Rarius" wrote: Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! And I had a full 100mbps connection to the computers in the house too, not the crappy 1-2mbps wireless would have given me! If there is an outdoor portion of about 3m, how weatherproof are ethernet cables? Will they survive in wet/dry, hot/cold, sun, snow, etc. or do I need to put them in a PVC pipe? Standard Cat5e cable is waterproof, but degrades quite badly with UV (ie sunlight). I would suggest that you run it through some pvc conduit. That should only add a few quid to the price. If you can't find conduit, 15mm pvc or copper waterpipe is just as good. Rarius |
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes wrote:
On 16 Jan, 11:11, "Rarius" wrote: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in ... Hi, My cable wireless modem is too far away in the house and behind too many walls from my home cluster that I have set up an old computer as a relay PC. SNIP A wierd error happens where I can connect to Google and get up-to-date Google News, Groups, etc. When I ping a website (like news websites) I can resolve their numerical IP address. However, when I try to connect to them, the connection doesn't work. I've tried turning off my Windows and software firewalls but it still doesn't work. Any ideas what the problem might be? What routing software are you running on the "stepping stone" PC? Have you just bridges the connections using the XP "bridge connections" option?. This might helphttp://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/wxpbrdge.html Yes I'm just using Windows XP's bridge connections option. XP generally has difficulty having both wired and wireless connections on the same PC. I was beginning to figure that out. Even when I don't bridge the connections, and have just wired + wireless connections on, this problem arises. Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! And I had a full 100mbps connection to the computers in the house too, not the crappy 1-2mbps wireless would have given me! If there is an outdoor portion of about 3m, how weatherproof are ethernet cables? Will they survive in wet/dry, hot/cold, sun, snow, etc. or do I need to put them in a PVC pipe? I can think of a number of solutions 1) Have cable modem installer, install the cable modem inside the premises, so that any kludge solutions are avoided. Then, it it their responsibility to route the cable TV coax cable in a safe manner. 2) On the cable modem, if it has an external connector for an antenna, substitute a directional antenna on the unit, and point that at your house. Presumably, if you're the only person needing access to the wireless modem, then making the antenna directional will not be a problem. 3) Bridge the gap between buildings with fiber optic cable and Ethernet to Fiber adaptation equipment. That will avoid lightning protection issues. I'm not so much worried about a direct hit, as an indirect one. Long runs of outdoor wire, function as a transformer winding, and can end up at high potential via coupling of one sort or another. At the very least, you could consult with a local electrician, for a guide to best practice. 4) My very last choice, would be to run wire between buildings. They do make little surge protector plates. Notice there is no specification as to the level of protection afforded. http://www.ethernetextender.com/ethe...ucts/250LP.php Even a buried cable can have a potential induced into it. But with conduit and some grounding, the exposure might be reduced. The cleanest solution is to get the cable modem installed in the right building to begin with. Even if the installation charge is a few more dollars. With a wired connection to your PC, you have one less thing to worry about (wireless performance as a function of the equipment your neighbors are using). HTH, Paul |
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Did you bury it in a proper cable trench with marker tape to SI standards. No I didn't bury it. I put it through pvc conduit attached to the fence. Rarius An electric fence? |
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Chris wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:35:23 -0800 (PST), Quis custodiet ipsos custodes wrote: On 16 Jan, 11:11, "Rarius" wrote: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" wrote in ... Personally, I would have just gone and bought a longer CAT5e cable and wired the whole lot, but then I think wireless networks should only be used where absolutely needed! You can buy 305m reels of CAT5e cable and wall sockets for a few quid. I cabled up my observatory over 50yrds from my house and it cost me less than the wireless router would have! And I had a full 100mbps connection to the computers in the house too, not the crappy 1-2mbps wireless would have given me! If there is an outdoor portion of about 3m, how weatherproof are ethernet cables? Will they survive in wet/dry, hot/cold, sun, snow, etc. or do I need to put them in a PVC pipe? Love your nick. FWIW, in 2002 I ran a south facing, 20 meter Cat 5 outside cable between house and garage, and has resisted very hot summers and occasional sub-freezing winter-days. It's not buried, but stapled to the outside walls, with a 2 meter aerial section between the two buildings in a PVC pipe. If you have to bury your Ethernet cable look for external grade and yes, a PVC pipe gives more protection. It goes without saying that you should check what your local regulations prescribe, if anything, first. Unless your local regulations are draconian, most locales have no regulation on low-voltage outdoor wiring. As an aside, most CAT5e "inside" cable in the darker colors will handle outdoor use for a few years. We put in a 130 foot run out to a guard shack at work almost 8 years ago using blue and green cable. Jacket has faded, but still flexes OK. This was Lucent/Avia CAT6 cable. Previous "temporary" runs of white or yellow would UV deteriorate in a couple of years. |
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