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I think it must be the power supply
Well, I think the problem is the power supply and I plan to proceed
down that path this afternoon when I get home, but before I do I'd like to turn to this forum for advice from anyone who's had the same experience. I'm running an ASUS P5K DELUXE/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX with an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache, 4 gig Ballistix RAM, three physical hard drives (four up until a couple of weeks ago when I replaced a 500 GB with a 1.5 TB), and for a Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling ULTRA-QUIET PSU: SILENCER(R) 610 EPS12V. Lately the computer has been a little flaky, but I could never get a problem to repeat. I have been hearing intermittent snapping noises though -- like electrical discharge, though I've detected no associated odor. This morning I hit the space bar to turn the computer on from a full shutdown and while the fans spun up, the computer didn't boot. The power light was on, though. So I pressed the reset button and the computer immediately shut down. Then the fans spun up again, and then in a couple of seconds the computer shut down again. Then everything spun up again and the computer posted and I was in business. This starting, stopping, and starting again is not new -- I've occasionally experienced that behavior since I built the computer over a year ago. Usually it happens when I've changed out memory or something, and it's never led to a major problem. Computer starts, shuts down, then starts up again all on its own. Does that sound familiar to anybody? But the big question is -- does the problem I experienced this morning sound like a power supply problem, or could something else like the motherboard be the culprit? I bought a PC Power and Cooling PS because I thought they were supposed to be the best, the most dependable. If this turns out to be a PS problem, I'll be looking elsewhere for power supplies in the future. This will be the second PC Power and Cooling unit I've had to RM. Maybe they're not as dependable as everybody says. Thanks in advance for any advice. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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I think it must be the power supply
Bill Anderson wrote:
Well, I think the problem is the power supply and I plan to proceed down that path this afternoon when I get home, but before I do I'd like to turn to this forum for advice from anyone who's had the same experience. I'm running an ASUS P5K DELUXE/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX with an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache, 4 gig Ballistix RAM, three physical hard drives (four up until a couple of weeks ago when I replaced a 500 GB with a 1.5 TB), and for a Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling ULTRA-QUIET PSU: SILENCER(R) 610 EPS12V. Lately the computer has been a little flaky, but I could never get a problem to repeat. I have been hearing intermittent snapping noises though -- like electrical discharge, though I've detected no associated odor. This morning I hit the space bar to turn the computer on from a full shutdown and while the fans spun up, the computer didn't boot. The power light was on, though. So I pressed the reset button and the computer immediately shut down. Then the fans spun up again, and then in a couple of seconds the computer shut down again. Then everything spun up again and the computer posted and I was in business. This starting, stopping, and starting again is not new -- I've occasionally experienced that behavior since I built the computer over a year ago. Usually it happens when I've changed out memory or something, and it's never led to a major problem. Computer starts, shuts down, then starts up again all on its own. Does that sound familiar to anybody? But the big question is -- does the problem I experienced this morning sound like a power supply problem, or could something else like the motherboard be the culprit? I bought a PC Power and Cooling PS because I thought they were supposed to be the best, the most dependable. If this turns out to be a PS problem, I'll be looking elsewhere for power supplies in the future. This will be the second PC Power and Cooling unit I've had to RM. Maybe they're not as dependable as everybody says. Thanks in advance for any advice. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog When I started hearing those kinds of noises coming from my Antec power supply, I replaced it. Then took apart the Antec (took the cover off for a look), to find leaking capacitors inside. Depending on whether your power supply still has warranty left on it, you can choose to have a peek inside, or just return it for a warranty repair. Usually, power supplies have a sticker over a screw, and the warranty is void is the sticker is broken. My computer has been just fine, with a new Enermax power supply used to replace it. To review the current quality of PCPower/OCZTechnology power supplies, visit Newegg and look at the comments there for their stuff. From that, you can see whether it is the "same old PCPower" or not. Paul |
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I think it must be the power supply
Paul wrote:
When I started hearing those kinds of noises coming from my Antec power supply, I replaced it. Then took apart the Antec (took the cover off for a look), to find leaking capacitors inside. Depending on whether your power supply still has warranty left on it, you can choose to have a peek inside, or just return it for a warranty repair. Usually, power supplies have a sticker over a screw, and the warranty is void is the sticker is broken. My computer has been just fine, with a new Enermax power supply used to replace it. To review the current quality of PCPower/OCZTechnology power supplies, visit Newegg and look at the comments there for their stuff. From that, you can see whether it is the "same old PCPower" or not. Thanks, Paul. When I got home this afternoon the computer started right up from a cold start. No problems at all. I think I'll just wait until the computer dies at a time when I have a critical need -- which of course is exactly when it will happen. I hate to contact PC Power to return a power supply that's working. I do have a spare (though when I use it I can detect a distinct odor of hot insulation) so I guess the thing to do is just wait the problem out. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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I think it must be the power supply
"Bill Anderson" wrote in message ... Paul wrote: When I started hearing those kinds of noises coming from my Antec power supply, I replaced it. Then took apart the Antec (took the cover off for a look), to find leaking capacitors inside. Depending on whether your power supply still has warranty left on it, you can choose to have a peek inside, or just return it for a warranty repair. Usually, power supplies have a sticker over a screw, and the warranty is void is the sticker is broken. My computer has been just fine, with a new Enermax power supply used to replace it. To review the current quality of PCPower/OCZTechnology power supplies, visit Newegg and look at the comments there for their stuff. From that, you can see whether it is the "same old PCPower" or not. Thanks, Paul. When I got home this afternoon the computer started right up from a cold start. No problems at all. I think I'll just wait until the computer dies at a time when I have a critical need -- which of course is exactly when it will happen. I hate to contact PC Power to return a power supply that's working. I do have a spare (though when I use it I can detect a distinct odor of hot insulation) so I guess the thing to do is just wait the problem out. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog I woulnt wait, might take your motherboard or processor with it... try this,,, boot to bios and watch the voltages for an hour. if the fluctuate more then 10% replace it. Pokeyman |
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I think it must be the power supply
pokey man wrote:
"Bill Anderson" wrote in message ... Paul wrote: When I started hearing those kinds of noises coming from my Antec power supply, I replaced it. Then took apart the Antec (took the cover off for a look), to find leaking capacitors inside. Depending on whether your power supply still has warranty left on it, you can choose to have a peek inside, or just return it for a warranty repair. Usually, power supplies have a sticker over a screw, and the warranty is void is the sticker is broken. My computer has been just fine, with a new Enermax power supply used to replace it. To review the current quality of PCPower/OCZTechnology power supplies, visit Newegg and look at the comments there for their stuff. From that, you can see whether it is the "same old PCPower" or not. Thanks, Paul. When I got home this afternoon the computer started right up from a cold start. No problems at all. I think I'll just wait until the computer dies at a time when I have a critical need -- which of course is exactly when it will happen. I hate to contact PC Power to return a power supply that's working. I do have a spare (though when I use it I can detect a distinct odor of hot insulation) so I guess the thing to do is just wait the problem out. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog I woulnt wait, might take your motherboard or processor with it... try this,,, boot to bios and watch the voltages for an hour. if the fluctuate more then 10% replace it. Pokeyman My own preference, is to pull the supply before something dramatic happens. I've replaced two supplies before they popped, using whatever sights and smells they had to offer :-) One common symptom, was an audible change in fan speed on fixed speed fans. You can start to hear the fans "wander" a bit more than they would normally. I was hearing that, before the arcing sounds started. When I had a crash returning from S3 standby, that was the last straw. I shut down and went shopping locally for a replacement. Paul |
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I think it must be the power supply
Paul wrote:
pokey man wrote: "Bill Anderson" wrote in message ... Paul wrote: When I started hearing those kinds of noises coming from my Antec power supply, I replaced it. Then took apart the Antec (took the cover off for a look), to find leaking capacitors inside. Depending on whether your power supply still has warranty left on it, you can choose to have a peek inside, or just return it for a warranty repair. Usually, power supplies have a sticker over a screw, and the warranty is void is the sticker is broken. My computer has been just fine, with a new Enermax power supply used to replace it. To review the current quality of PCPower/OCZTechnology power supplies, visit Newegg and look at the comments there for their stuff. From that, you can see whether it is the "same old PCPower" or not. Thanks, Paul. When I got home this afternoon the computer started right up from a cold start. No problems at all. I think I'll just wait until the computer dies at a time when I have a critical need -- which of course is exactly when it will happen. I hate to contact PC Power to return a power supply that's working. I do have a spare (though when I use it I can detect a distinct odor of hot insulation) so I guess the thing to do is just wait the problem out. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog I woulnt wait, might take your motherboard or processor with it... try this,,, boot to bios and watch the voltages for an hour. if the fluctuate more then 10% replace it. Pokeyman My own preference, is to pull the supply before something dramatic happens. I've replaced two supplies before they popped, using whatever sights and smells they had to offer :-) One common symptom, was an audible change in fan speed on fixed speed fans. You can start to hear the fans "wander" a bit more than they would normally. I was hearing that, before the arcing sounds started. When I had a crash returning from S3 standby, that was the last straw. I shut down and went shopping locally for a replacement. Paul OK, this afternoon when I get home from the office I'll try swapping out the power supply. Yesterday afternoon when I returned home I hit the space bar and the computer booted with no problem. Late last night I shut it down and went to bed. This morning I hit the space bar and the computer started briefly, hard drive light flashed on, then it all shut down. Then it all started up, but this time after the hard drive light flashed once, the fans kept running but there was no post. I left it that way for about a minute while I was doing something else, and then I hit the reset button. Everything shut down, and then the computer started up again, I heard the beep, and it's running just fine. In other words, this is exactly what happened yesterday morning. I'll trade out the power supply and if the symptoms go away, I'll know what to do. Thanks all. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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I think it must be the power supply
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I woulnt wait, might take your motherboard or processor with it... try this,,, boot to bios and watch the voltages for an hour. if the fluctuate more then 10% replace it. Pokeyman My own preference, is to pull the supply before something dramatic happens. I've replaced two supplies before they popped, using whatever sights and smells they had to offer :-) One common symptom, was an audible change in fan speed on fixed speed fans. You can start to hear the fans "wander" a bit more than they would normally. I was hearing that, before the arcing sounds started. When I had a crash returning from S3 standby, that was the last straw. I shut down and went shopping locally for a replacement. Paul OK, this afternoon when I get home from the office I'll try swapping out the power supply. Yesterday afternoon when I returned home I hit the space bar and the computer booted with no problem. Late last night I shut it down and went to bed. This morning I hit the space bar and the computer started briefly, hard drive light flashed on, then it all shut down. Then it all started up, but this time after the hard drive light flashed once, the fans kept running but there was no post. I left it that way for about a minute while I was doing something else, and then I hit the reset button. Everything shut down, and then the computer started up again, I heard the beep, and it's running just fine. In other words, this is exactly what happened yesterday morning. I'll trade out the power supply and if the symptoms go away, I'll know what to do. Thanks all. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog I would get a bigger PS evidently its drawing more power then what you think and the extra amps cant hurt. Pokeyman |
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I think it must be the power supply
pokey man wrote:
snip I woulnt wait, might take your motherboard or processor with it... try this,,, boot to bios and watch the voltages for an hour. if the fluctuate more then 10% replace it. Pokeyman My own preference, is to pull the supply before something dramatic happens. I've replaced two supplies before they popped, using whatever sights and smells they had to offer :-) One common symptom, was an audible change in fan speed on fixed speed fans. You can start to hear the fans "wander" a bit more than they would normally. I was hearing that, before the arcing sounds started. When I had a crash returning from S3 standby, that was the last straw. I shut down and went shopping locally for a replacement. Paul OK, this afternoon when I get home from the office I'll try swapping out the power supply. Yesterday afternoon when I returned home I hit the space bar and the computer booted with no problem. Late last night I shut it down and went to bed. This morning I hit the space bar and the computer started briefly, hard drive light flashed on, then it all shut down. Then it all started up, but this time after the hard drive light flashed once, the fans kept running but there was no post. I left it that way for about a minute while I was doing something else, and then I hit the reset button. Everything shut down, and then the computer started up again, I heard the beep, and it's running just fine. In other words, this is exactly what happened yesterday morning. I'll trade out the power supply and if the symptoms go away, I'll know what to do. Thanks all. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog I would get a bigger PS evidently its drawing more power then what you think and the extra amps cant hurt. Pokeyman Thanks. It's boxed up with an RMA# and on its way to PC Power and Cooling for replacement. It was a 610W PS. The spare I'm using now is 400W and it's doing just fine, or appears to be anyway. Sure hope the problem doesn't recur when I turn the computer on in the morning. That'll sure be embarrassing to explain to PC Power and Cooling. But they gave me no problem with the RMA when I explained what had been going on, so off it goes. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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I think it must be the power supply
"Snip I would get a bigger PS evidently its drawing more power then what you think and the extra amps cant hurt. Pokeyman Thanks. It's boxed up with an RMA# and on its way to PC Power and Cooling for replacement. It was a 610W PS. The spare I'm using now is 400W and it's doing just fine, or appears to be anyway. Sure hope the problem doesn't recur when I turn the computer on in the morning. That'll sure be embarrassing to explain to PC Power and Cooling. But they gave me no problem with the RMA when I explained what had been going on, so off it goes. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog Ahhhh under warranty... thats great. sounds like it is under control. Pokeyman |
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I think it must be the power supply
Paul wrote:
pokey man wrote: "Bill Anderson" wrote in message ... Paul wrote: When I started hearing those kinds of noises coming from my Antec power supply, I replaced it. Then took apart the Antec (took the cover off for a look), to find leaking capacitors inside. Depending on whether your power supply still has warranty left on it, you can choose to have a peek inside, or just return it for a warranty repair. Usually, power supplies have a sticker over a screw, and the warranty is void is the sticker is broken. My computer has been just fine, with a new Enermax power supply used to replace it. To review the current quality of PCPower/OCZTechnology power supplies, visit Newegg and look at the comments there for their stuff. From that, you can see whether it is the "same old PCPower" or not. Thanks, Paul. When I got home this afternoon the computer started right up from a cold start. No problems at all. I think I'll just wait until the computer dies at a time when I have a critical need -- which of course is exactly when it will happen. I hate to contact PC Power to return a power supply that's working. I do have a spare (though when I use it I can detect a distinct odor of hot insulation) so I guess the thing to do is just wait the problem out. -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog I woulnt wait, might take your motherboard or processor with it... try this,,, boot to bios and watch the voltages for an hour. if the fluctuate more then 10% replace it. Pokeyman My own preference, is to pull the supply before something dramatic happens. I've replaced two supplies before they popped, using whatever sights and smells they had to offer :-) One common symptom, was an audible change in fan speed on fixed speed fans. You can start to hear the fans "wander" a bit more than they would normally. I was hearing that, before the arcing sounds started. When I had a crash returning from S3 standby, that was the last straw. I shut down and went shopping locally for a replacement. Paul OK you guys, a couple of weeks have passed, the warranty replacement is due to be delivered to me by UPS on Monday, and I have another question. Prior to experiencing the boot problems I described earlier, I'd also been experiencing what seemed to be video driver problems. With no warning and for no observable reason, the screen would go to black and then recover with a note from Vista indicating the video driver had failed and had been restarted. I have an ATI Radeon 2600 XT PCIE card and I'm running the latest ATI drivers. Sometimes the screen would go black, recover, go black again, recover, etc. until finally there was no "recover" and I'd have to restart. Other times, it would recover and I could go on without problems. I tried installing drivers, re-installing drivers, un-installing drivers over and over again, and sometimes I'd go for days without problems, but eventually the black screen would return. Now, in the two weeks since I pulled the 610 watt PC Power and Cooling power supply and replaced it with the 400 watt StarTech ATX12V 2.01 Professional Power Supply I bought at a local computer supply store in an emergency a few years ago when a different PC Power and Cooling power supply failed, I've had no problem whatsoever with the video card. That doesn't mean it won't start giving problems again any minute, but really .... two weeks on a different, lower-wattage power supply and no black-screen problem at all? Question: Could a failing power supply have been causing the video card flakiness? And if so, does it make any sense to replace the current power supply with the PC Power and Cooling unit when it arrives on Monday? -- Bill Anderson I am the Mighty Favog |
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