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Hi Max, Thanks for your helpful comment. "Max Volume" wrote in message m... In article , Colon Terminus wrote: Okay, good, now we have a complete picture. Here's what you'll need for a professional workstation, not a home hobby setup. A video capture device not subject to Macrovision. * Wake the **** up, man. You wouldn't know professional gear if it fell on you. Try a TBC, moron. |
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In article , MR_ED_of_Course
wrote: Though many of us who edit video and author DVDs professionally would highly recommend a Mac. Curious Marcellus, why are you not considering using a system that is universally reviewed as being better suited for media (video) production? Go ahead and get a PC and deal with all the issues and hassles, come back with your posts of, "this doesn't seem to work with that" and "my audio isn't synching", and.... Max, where are you now? Alright, alright, alright! Yes, Marcellus, this is what you've got to look forward to if you go the PC route. I've just gotten so used to people ignoring Macs that I really just don't give a **** anymore. I can just sit back and laugh when you Windows zombies complain about dropped frames on your "dedicated" PC while I sit here and read newsgroups while Final Cut Pro 4 renders in the background. You can't beat the Mac for video work these days, and if money is a concern, even something like an iMac will do the job. Don't be put off by the closed architecture -- as DVD-R technology progresses, an external Firewire drive will work just fine even if you can't upgrade the SuperDrive. Also, if you buy a G5, you don't necessarily need to shell out for a 23" Cinema Display -- I believe you can use any standard SVGA display, which might be a compromise in the area of image clarity, but it should at least save you some money. Not to re-open THIS debate again, but I did just notice that in DVD Studio Pro, I can write a script to prevent a disc from playing based on the region code of the player. I guess that's one more reason you'll never believe that I created a region-coded DVD-R in DVD Studio Pro. Remember, though -- I'd have to PURPOSELY WRITE THE SCRIPT AND ADD IT TO THE PROJECT, which I haven't done, and furthermore it would NOT supply the player-specific error codes I've gotten on THREE different brands of players, all of which SPECIFICALLY mention region encoding. |
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In article , Colon Terminus
wrote: Hi Max, Thanks for your helpful comment. Well, how am I *supposed* to react when some idiot posts "don't bother with a 'home hobby' setup, but get yourself a macro-buster"??? I suppose you think that there are thousands of "professional workstations" running Vegas Video on Alienware hardware with a "color corrector" removing all that nasty Macrovision. Again I say, wake the **** up. |
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Max Volume wrote: Alright, alright, alright! Yes, Marcellus, this is what you've got to look forward to if you go the PC route. I've just gotten so used to people ignoring Macs that I really just don't give a **** anymore. I can just sit back and laugh when you Windows zombies complain about dropped frames on your "dedicated" PC while I sit here and read newsgroups while Final Cut Pro 4 renders in the background. Amen, brother! Been working glitch free for 3 years now. Life is good! http://www.apple.com |
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Hi Max,
The guy was on a budget, he couldn't afford alienware. "Max Volume" wrote in message m... In article , Colon Terminus wrote: Hi Max, Thanks for your helpful comment. Well, how am I *supposed* to react when some idiot posts "don't bother with a 'home hobby' setup, but get yourself a macro-buster"??? I suppose you think that there are thousands of "professional workstations" running Vegas Video on Alienware hardware with a "color corrector" removing all that nasty Macrovision. Again I say, wake the **** up. |
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In article , MR_ED_of_Course
wrote: Of course you can write that script. However just because you can write a script that acts based on info from the player, doesn't mean that you've region coded a DVD. The region code field (VMGM_MAT 0023) would remain the same on the disk...as you've pointed out, no region error would occur on the player unless of course you branched off to a stream that had a region error message. Why do I continue to give you ammunition? You completely ignored the part where I pointed out that A) I DID NOT EVEN WRITE SUCH A SCRIPT, and B) I *DID* GET THREE DIFFERENT PLAYER-SPECIFIC ERROR MESSAGES SUCH AS "WRONG REGION", "CANNOT BE PLAYED DUE TO REGION RESTRICTONS", ETC. You can not region code a DVD-R with DVD Studio Pro (I'm unaware of any DVD authoring apps that do this). The region code feature for DVD Studio Pro is for DLT or CMF. Apple says this. The DVDSP manual says this. All books on DVDSP say this. Replicators say this. I have verified this with testing as well. Max is the only person in the world who claims otherwise. I'm the only one who read the manual and didn't automatically take it as gospel truth. If one particular drive or brand of media would fail to produce a region-coded DVD-R, Apple would hear about it from their customers. Therefore, the manual states that it's not supported. Glad to see you're getting around to opening that manual. Maybe eventually you'll understand the advantage of having a timeline editor in DVD Studio Pro 2. Oh believe me, the timeline editor is not necessarily a feature I'm opposed to. Still, having Final Cut Pro 4 makes it rather redundant. Or more to the point of the thread, you'll see the benefit of templates. This reminds me a lot of a few years ago when I created some FileMaker Pro databases. The admin assistant did simple data entry in an easy to use interface mode, but reports, mailings, and other stuff were done by me in a more functional interface. I create my FileMaker Pro databases from scratch as well. Maybe your limited imagination is satisfied with existing templates in both cases, but not mine. Same thing goes with DVDSP2 and templates. The OP could have someone come in and set up his system. They could then set up a series of templates for the various types of clients he has. Instead of the OP having to create *all* artwork for each individual client, or instead of pulling all the assets together each time, he can simply edit the video, and select the template he wants for the type of client he has. Sure, if you want all the projects to look alike with a few minor changes. Let me explain something here -- I WANT TO PRODUCE PROFESSIONAL-LOOKING DVDS!!! Columbia House may be content to use the same general layout to their crappy menus with only a few minor changes, but that's not how movies are done at the major studios. Rent "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone", then rent "Two Weeks Notice" and tell me how templates would be of any use if you were producing those two DVDs. Each of my projects is unique, so templates are useless. You might want to try actually LOOKING at what I'm doing before opening your stupid mouth. |
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In article , Colon Terminus
wrote: The guy was on a budget, he couldn't afford alienware. Oh, for pete's sake -- ALL I'M SAYING HERE IS DON'T EVEN *START* TALKING ABOUT "PROFESSIONAL WORKSTATIONS" THEN LIST A BUNCH OF CONSUMER CRAP, *E*S*P*E*C*I*A*L*L*Y* NOT A ****ING MACRO BUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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In article , MR_ED_of_Course
wrote: I never said you did. Should I have written, "I acknowledge that he did not even write such a script"? What the hell difference does it make, you can write a script, but the region code field would remain the same. The difference is that if I WROTE the script and included it, I would not need to have created a region-encoded DVD-R. However, I have. I've already said numerous times that I don't believe you are correct and Apple, the DVDSP manuals, replicators, and what I've tested myself are wrong. I other words, I don't believe you when you say you received 3 different region error messages. Well that's your ****ing problem. Great, what brand of DVD are you using. Hell, I'll try it. Also, it's not only Apple that is saying it can't be done. Yes, there's the other ****ing lemmings who believe everything they read and don't bother trying anything themselves. I've explained this numerous times you stupid moron, but here we go again: 17" flat-screen iMac -- 800MHz, 256MB RAM, 80GB HD (2002 model) Mac OS 10.2.8 DVD Studio Pro 1.5 maxell 4.7GB DVD-R 2.0 for General Your comments earlier were pretty negative about it. Besides the timeline is not just a video editor in DVDSP, as such, it certainly isn't a required feature, but it makes lining up multichannel audio tracks, angles, and so forth a bit easier rather than going back into FCP. Especially with the improvements in DVDSP2 in regards to having variable length angles. Variable-length angles is a good feature to have, but you're still missing the pretty ****ing basic point that DVDs are NOT LINEAR!!! It's a random-access medium, so not every project is going to fit nicely onto a ****ing linear timeline! Think outside the box for once and realize that not everyone creates DVDs that are just movies!!! Existing templates has nothing to do with either situation. DVDSP2 comes with only a handful of sample templates. Certainly, it's easy to see how templates wouldn't be used, but like Filemaker, sometimes it makes sense to set up templates for someone else being hired to do simple data entry...or video entry. Regardless, it's all cookie-cutter crap, whether you create the cookie-cutter from scratch or not. It's pointless, and "professionals" don't bother using such pedestrian features. It doesn't mater what you're doing. In fact it's exactly what you aren't doing. You accuse me of being narrow minded or ignorant, but it's just the opposite. I never once said that templates are for everyone pro or otherwise, only that it was a smart idea for Apple to include this functionality in DVDSP2 and that it will be used by pros and consumers. My point is, moron, that DVD Studio (let me spell it out for you) PEE ARR ****ing OHHHH is supposed to be a PROfessional package! Leave the templates to cute little iDVD!!! Great, Harry Potter has a nice menu. Great, you did the whole thing yourself, or some other project just as spectacular. You're not the only professional, and what you do is not the only task or mission of a professional using DVDSP. From the beginning, I've stated that there are many reasons why Apple included templates, and your claim was that it was stupid and people should just use iDVD if they want to use templates. Admit it, there are reasons why professionals would want to use templates. This is a feature not related to your limited (however spectacular) use of DVDSP, but for many such as the OP or some studios...in particular one of the studios I worked at where we would've loved to have had the ability create templates for the various shows. That is total crap. By their very nature, templates are generic. I can use the same Photoshop file, and it'll contain all the same buttons, etc. that a template would. A little editing is all that's required to create yet another bland, boring piece of ****. If that's all you're concerned about, stick with iDVD. Even beyond the need for template looking and functioning disks, there is the ability to template any component of a project. In other words the end user would never know that the template from one DVD was used for another, but the person who did the authoring may have save a lot of time by simply replacing the needed components rather than starting from scratch. This of course is not Harry Potter, but than again not all DVDs being produced fall into the Harry Potter category. Not all DVDs produced fit into the "The Day My Wife Popped Out Our Third Kid" category, either. Now that you see how some people have a need for templates, or at least how templates can facilitate production...what software would *you* recommend for anyone who wanted template functionality, but also wanted DD 5.1, angles, subtitles, language tracks, output to DLT or CMF, etc...? You're contradicting yourself. That's basically asking "what software would someone use if they're a beginner creating a DVD of home movies, but want their camcorder footage to be heard in full 5.1 surround?" You obviously have no ****ing clue what the difference is between professional DVD authoring and "making a DVD", so why the **** should I bother explaining it to you??? |
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