Install SB16 or Live Value in FIC VA-503+ with Windows 2000

Issue: Unable to install SB16 or Live Value in FIC VA-503+ with Windows
2000

Background: Can see issue history in previous news posts "SB Live Value
(CT4830) in FIC VA-503+ on W2k" and "SB16 PCI (CT4740) on FIC VA-503+
running W2K"

System Board: FIC VA-503+ v. 1.1a (Via VP3 586B chipsets)

System BIOS: Next to the latest version (JE4331 10/3/00). A newer BIOS
(JE 4333) is available but I understand it is intended for ACPI enabled
PC's only (I overrode the HAL at W2K setup and set up PC as "Standard
PC", that is, non ACPI).

The other cards in system are working fine:
AGP slot: Matrox Productiva G100 AGP (AGP not setup with IRQ)
PCI slot: Promise Ultra133TX2 IDE card
PCI slot: NetGear FA312 NIC

Note: SB16 card was previously installed in this same VA-503+ board under
Windows98 and operated fine (with older BIOS and unfortunately BIOS
settings from that time period are undocumented). Did a fresh install of
Windows2000 along with BIOS update and then attempted to install
soundcard. Windows 2000 stalls when starting up after inserting SB16
card. Same with SB Live Value card. The two sound cards work fine when
tested in a VA-503 (not +) system board under Windows 2000.

I'm sure the issue is an IRQ, I/O and/or memory base address conflict but
this system board/BIOS POST report does not provide any feedback to which
slots/cards are assigned which IRQ's at bootup.

Windows Device Manager shows: NIC on IRQ 10 and Promise IDE on IRQ 11. No
entries are noted for IRQ 7 and IRQ 9.

Other steps I've tried...

Tried both SB cards in all three PCI slots.

Reset System BIOS to BIOS defaults.

Tried different permutations of PCI/PNP BIOS settings.

Changed IRQ Sequence (PCI) from default "9, 10, 11, 5, 7 ,4,..."
to "15, 11, 10, 9, 12, 14,..."

PNP OS installed is set to "No" in BIOS. (Seems standard).

Followed FIC FAQ suggestion configuring BIOS PCI settings as follows:
- Set "Resources Controlled by" to "Manual" (changed from Auto)
- Enable "Reset Data Configuration"
- Set IRQ5 to ISA Legacy (not PCI/ISA PNP)
- Set DMA 1 to ISA Legacy (not PCI/ISA PNP)

The above process reinitalized IRQ's for NetGear and Promise cards just
fine but installing either SB card still stalls boot up.

Any suggestions?

Woody

"Woody" wrote in message
99.17...
Issue: Unable to install SB16 or Live Value in FIC VA-503+ with Windows
2000

Background: Can see issue history in previous news posts "SB Live Value
(CT4830) in FIC VA-503+ on W2k" and "SB16 PCI (CT4740) on FIC VA-503+
running W2K"
Any suggestions?
snip

Yep. I have a suggestion. Windows 2K/XP don't support ISA motherboards all
that well. Time to upgrade or install Win98SE.

Matt

"Matt" wrote in
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"Woody" wrote in message
99.17...
Issue: Unable to install SB16 or Live Value in FIC VA-503+ with
Windows 2000

Background: Can see issue history in previous news posts "SB Live
Value (CT4830) in FIC VA-503+ on W2k" and "SB16 PCI (CT4740) on FIC
VA-503+ running W2K"
Any suggestions?
snip

Yep. I have a suggestion. Windows 2K/XP don't support ISA motherboards
all that well. Time to upgrade or install Win98SE.

Wondering what info you base your claim (or are you a troll)?

FIC VA-503+ indeed is a combo PCI/ISA system board. However so are my FIC
VA-503 and FIC PT-2200 system boards and both run with Windows 2000 just
fine. I have also sucessfully built many W2K systems using GigaByte,
Abit, ASUS and Soyo PCI/ISA combo system boards (some with SB16 PCI and
Live Value PCI sound cards, the same sound cards I'm trying trying to run
on the VA-503+).

If I wanted to upgrade to a different system board on this system I
would've done so already. The point is I know this soundcard will work on
the VA-503+ under Windows 2000. I just have to find out the correct BIOS
setting(s) that will allow this to happen. Thanks for your helpful apply
;-)

Unfortunately there are no SB16 drivers for WinXP. Creative Labs no longer
supports the SB16. So that is your barrier. The reason a majority of ISA
devices no longer work under WinXP is because device manufacturers have
stopped making non-PnP ISA device drivers. The problem is a combination of
non-PnP ISA devices and no driver support. Windows XP can handle ISA devices
just fine however you must install Windows XP without ACPI.

Matt

"Matt" wrote in
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Unfortunately there are no SB16 drivers for WinXP. Creative Labs no
longer supports the SB16. So that is your barrier. The reason a
majority of ISA devices no longer work under WinXP is because device
manufacturers have stopped making non-PnP ISA device drivers. The
problem is a combination of non-PnP ISA devices and no driver support.
Windows XP can handle ISA devices just fine however you must install
Windows XP without ACPI.

Matt



Guess I wasn't clear on the details...

The SB16 I have is a PCI card.
The installed OS is W2K (SP3).
W2K is installed without ACPI (i.e. "Standard PC").

My thought is this is a W2K enumeration issue (slight incompatibility
with the BIOS/chipset configuration). Still searching for the registry
hack or BIOS setting which will allow me to override this hurdle.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:45:21 GMT, Woody
wrote:

Issue: Unable to install SB16 or Live Value in FIC VA-503+ with Windows
2000

Background: Can see issue history in previous news posts "SB Live Value
(CT4830) in FIC VA-503+ on W2k" and "SB16 PCI (CT4740) on FIC VA-503+
running W2K"

System Board: FIC VA-503+ v. 1.1a (Via VP3 586B chipsets)

System BIOS: Next to the latest version (JE4331 10/3/00). A newer BIOS
(JE 4333) is available but I understand it is intended for ACPI enabled
PC's only (I overrode the HAL at W2K setup and set up PC as "Standard
PC", that is, non ACPI).

The other cards in system are working fine:
AGP slot: Matrox Productiva G100 AGP (AGP not setup with IRQ)
PCI slot: Promise Ultra133TX2 IDE card
PCI slot: NetGear FA312 NIC

Note: SB16 card was previously installed in this same VA-503+ board under
Windows98 and operated fine (with older BIOS and unfortunately BIOS
settings from that time period are undocumented). Did a fresh install of
Windows2000 along with BIOS update and then attempted to install
soundcard. Windows 2000 stalls when starting up after inserting SB16
card. Same with SB Live Value card. The two sound cards work fine when
tested in a VA-503 (not +) system board under Windows 2000.

I'm sure the issue is an IRQ, I/O and/or memory base address conflict but
this system board/BIOS POST report does not provide any feedback to which
slots/cards are assigned which IRQ's at bootup.

Windows Device Manager shows: NIC on IRQ 10 and Promise IDE on IRQ 11. No
entries are noted for IRQ 7 and IRQ 9.

Other steps I've tried...

Tried both SB cards in all three PCI slots.

Reset System BIOS to BIOS defaults.

Tried different permutations of PCI/PNP BIOS settings.

Changed IRQ Sequence (PCI) from default "9, 10, 11, 5, 7 ,4,..."
to "15, 11, 10, 9, 12, 14,..."

PNP OS installed is set to "No" in BIOS. (Seems standard).

Followed FIC FAQ suggestion configuring BIOS PCI settings as follows:
- Set "Resources Controlled by" to "Manual" (changed from Auto)
- Enable "Reset Data Configuration"
- Set IRQ5 to ISA Legacy (not PCI/ISA PNP)
- Set DMA 1 to ISA Legacy (not PCI/ISA PNP)

The above process reinitalized IRQ's for NetGear and Promise cards just
fine but installing either SB card still stalls boot up.

Any suggestions?

Woody

Have you tried pressing F8 at boot-up and requesting a boot log?
Maybe something in the log will point towards your problem.