Should I go Athlon64 or Barton?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips jack wrote:
Dude, your sig is a bummer, man. As much as I agree
with your political views and frustrations entirely,

A number of posters equate leftism with pacifism. Why?
Kerry's desire to get [re]elected is stronger than any personal
conviction he might hold. Unfortunately for him, the Republican
Party has assumed the mantle of "law&order". So he has the task of
proving himself strong, and very likely would be _more_ bellicose
than Bush. Nixon could pull out of Vietnam and visit China.

Americans _will not_ tolerate a weak leader. Look how Jimmy
Carter, one of the most well-intentioned and intelligent
presidents ever, lost to Ronald Reagan. He appeared weak
on Iran and the economy. GWHBush lost on the same ground.

your sig as it stands simply has no place on Usenet...it's
very unpolite (meaning WAY too large). Also, at least

Agreed.

in this NG (.chips) your political statements are falling more
or less on deaf ears as this group is populated with a large
number of SWM (stupid white men) and even a few VSWM (V = very).

"Sufficiently advanced technology gets mistaken for magic" [Clarke?]

Sufficiently profound thinking is similarly feared.

-- Robert

George Macdonald wrote:
: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:58:07 +0200, "jack" wrote:
:
:: gaffo wrote:
:: snip all
::
:: Dude, your sig is a bummer, man. As much as I agree with your
:: political views and frustrations entirely, your sig as it stands
:: simply has no place on Usenet...it's very unpolite (meaning WAY
too
:: large).
:
: What's new - another left-wing windbag!

Well, Vswm No. 1 steps up to the podium...


:: Also, at least in this NG (.chips) your political
:: statements are falling more or less on deaf ears as this group is
:: populated with a large number of SWM (stupid white men) and even
a
:: few VSWM (V = very). Get my drift?
:
: One of those days, Jack (gaffo I dunno), you're going to waken up
to
: discover that all your liberal politicians are really just
: right-wingers pretending to err, take care of you... as they umm,
: liberally dip their
: hand in your pocket.:-) C.F. New Jersey McGreevey - another
: corrupt little "liberal" **** gets caught err, dipping.guffaw

FOAD you right-wing POS. In fact, why don't you stick your 9mm and
your bible right up your ass and do us ALL a favor, asshole.

J.

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In article , jack wrote:
George Macdonald wrote:
: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:58:07 +0200, "jack" wrote:
:: Also, at least in this NG (.chips) your political statements are
:: falling more or less on deaf ears as this group is populated with a
:: large number of SWM (stupid white men) and even a few VSWM (V = very).
:: Get my drift?
:
: One of those days, Jack (gaffo I dunno), you're going to waken up to
: discover that all your liberal politicians are really just right-wingers
: pretending to err, take care of you... as they umm, liberally dip their
: hand in your pocket.:-) C.F. New Jersey McGreevey - another corrupt
: little "liberal" **** gets caught err, dipping.guffaw

FOAD you right-wing POS. In fact, why don't you stick your 9mm and
your bible right up your ass and do us ALL a favor, asshole.

Wow...for being one of the "tolerant" peace/love/understanding types, you
appear to have significant issues with someone who dares to have a different
take on matters. Long-term observation has shown that the modern left is
chock-full of hypocrites who say one thing and then do another...witness
their bleats for tolerance while they're intolerant of dissenting thought as
an example, or the Democrats' indignation at imagined slights against their
patriotism while calling Republicans unpatriotic and un-American.
Clear-thinking people find this hypocrisy disgusting.

_/_
/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Wes Newell wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:03:11 +0000, gaffo wrote:


Feel free to *plonk* me it my sign offends.


Doesn't offend me.



thats good.



It just shows your stupidity and lack of consideration
for others.




My civic duty to my Nation as a citizen is more important then my
civility - Liberty is on the line.

In ordinary times I'd agree with you.

I truely wish these were ordinary times.




I guess you feel yourself above all others and the guidelines
weren't meant for you to follow.


not at all. Again, under ordinary times - i.e. if the very survival of
our Civil Liberties were not under threat of extintion - I would be
compelled to follow the civil guidelines.

Sadly, the state of the State is so poor that my duty is to speak out
and do all I can to defend Liberty to the best of my ability. If I have
to choose between Nazism or "Guildelines", I choose Liberty.


peace.


--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml

http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm


As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)

"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.

If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine

"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.

"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter

"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.

"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister

"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99

"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004

"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.

"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)

"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.

"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04

"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04

"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader


RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?

BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.

RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?

BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04


"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04


"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03


"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03


"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle


"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001


"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."

"He threatens not the United States."

"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."

'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001

gaffo wrote:

.... 64-bit will remain irrelvant for another 5 yrs. (or more).


AMD is there already, and now even the 800 pound gorilla
(Intel, now down to 700 and still losing) soon will be

so "irrelvant" is *not* accurate, especially
given your "5 yrs (or more)" addon

imo min/max of 12/30 *months* is more likely
for 64-bit to become the new standard in pc's

otoh, 32 bits *is* likely to still be usable 5+ yrs
from now on 90+% of all pc's. maybe even 100%

bill

p.s.

how many "bits" was the IBM 8088 pc in 1983?

frankly i've forgotten, but my guess is 8
(or at most 16)

Take that damn signature and stuff it up your ass!


"gaffo" wrote in message
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Wes Newell wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:03:11 +0000, gaffo wrote:


Feel free to *plonk* me it my sign offends.


DONE!

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:00:07 +0000, Rob Stow wrote:

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Indeed. ...and a good suggestion for all!

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Keith

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:18:15 +0000, borolad wrote:

....best argument yet, from a leftist-loon.

--
Keith