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In article , K wrote:
On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:48:58 +0000, Andy Yee wrote: Hmmm...can you cite sources please? Personally though, I'd wait and ensure that SATA is implemented directly on a chipset, and NOT going through the PCI bus. It's just arrived, the Nforce 3 250 has integrated SATA. I don't find PCI SATA that much of a problem anyway, my NF2 box has no PCI cards installed and you'd find it hard to transfer 133MB/s. What ? I am running a 2 disk SATA stripe set, and I am doing 110-115 Mbyte/s sustained transfer. What you are saying is, that if I add a plain UDMA 133 disk, then my speed will max out at 133MByte/s ? Oh well - ATA has always sucked big time. -- Povl H. Pedersen - (yes - it works) Get 5% discount on VMWare use discount/referral code: MRC-POVPED260 |
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Thanks for the info.
I installed Mandrake 10 AMD64 RC1 today. For some reason the 2.6 kernel lunix doesn't like my machine. The advanced options in Mandrake 10 allowed me to use kernel 2.4.. "goblin" wrote in message 30... "Don McCarter" wrote in : Does anyone know of a 64bit version of Linux that works with the AMD64 CPU? Thanks, Don Mandrake 10 x86_64 RC1 works great for me on an A64 3200+ GA-K8TV800. I haven't tried other distros but I did have plenty of problems with the Beta-1 of Mandrake 10 x86_64. RC1 is much better, almost no problems. The only major problem I have with it is it can't read the NTFS formatted Raid-0 SATA drives. It's not the raid-0 nor the SATA that it chokes on, but the combination of it being ntfs and bios raid (as opposed to simple OS striping). I have installed mdk64 (bootable) on the SATA raid-0 themselves in the past so I'm certain the problem involves NTFS here. Linux sees it as 2 empty drives instead of one NTFS formatted drive. My config is: ide0 = XP Pro 64 [80GB] NTFS ide1 = XP Pro 32 [80GB] NTFS ide2 = Mandrake 64 [120GB] ext3 sata0+1 = 240GB [2-120GB with raid-0) NTFS Linux can be tricky to setup if you have both IDE and SATA hard drives, and several operating systems. I don't suggest booting any OS from SATA when you're running both IDE and SATA. It can be done but I've found errors on the sata drives under that configuration so I'd stay away booting SATA if you also have IDE running. One thing I've noticed about mdk64: If you change the amount of ram in your box after mdk is installed, it won't run correctly anymore. That problem doesn't occur with XP64. |
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Don McCarter schrieb:
Does anyone know of a 64bit version of Linux that works with the AMD64 CPU? Thanks, Don Hello Don, There is not only Linux, but a lot of other free Unix out the FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org NetBSD : http://www.netbsd.org OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd.org Cheers, Olivier -- |
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Thanks for the reply,
I have tried several Linux distro's, many of them don't work well with my ATI 9600 Pro video card. So I was trying to find a 64bit version for the AMD64 CPU that likes my MB & Video card, grin. So far the Mandrake 10 AMD64 RC1 works best. There appear to be several distro's available for the AMD64 if one buys them. I like the try before you buy approach. I now have the option of booting to WinXP pro, WinXP64 or Mandrake 10. Some of the Linux versions are complicated and I don't have the knowledge to install them. "Olivier Brisson" wrote in message ... Don McCarter schrieb: Does anyone know of a 64bit version of Linux that works with the AMD64 CPU? Thanks, Don Hello Don, There is not only Linux, but a lot of other free Unix out the FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org NetBSD : http://www.netbsd.org OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd.org Cheers, Olivier -- |
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:34:06 +0000, Povl H. Pedersen wrote:
What ? I am running a 2 disk SATA stripe set, and I am doing 110-115 Mbyte/s sustained transfer. What you are saying is, that if I add a plain UDMA 133 disk, then my speed will max out at 133MByte/s ? Oh well - ATA has always sucked big time. I don't quite understand you. Most PATA controllers are integrated into the southbridge on your motherboard and have nothing to do with PCI. It would make no difference to your SATA throughput if you added another regular PATA drive. your SATA setup already takes up 115MB/s from the maximum of 133MB/s the PCI bus can carry. Add some extra cards such as Gb ethernet, PCI video etc and you could well end up saturating the PCI bus. K |
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 01:08:19 +0000, K wrote:
I don't quite understand you. Most PATA controllers are integrated into the southbridge on your motherboard and have nothing to do with PCI. I can't be entirely sure, but I think you'll find the integrated controller is on the PCI bus. It may not be a physically seperate piece of hardware, but that doesn't mean much. It would be fairly easy to put it on the PCI bus internally to the chip. It may not be proof, but why do you think they show up on lcpsi? For example... 0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) Note also the south bridge integrated SATA controller. It would make no difference to your SATA throughput if you added another regular PATA drive. your SATA setup already takes up 115MB/s from the maximum of 133MB/s the PCI bus can carry. Add some extra cards such as Gb ethernet, PCI video etc and you could well end up saturating the PCI bus. Wouldn't it be nice to have all those extra components on a native hyper transport bus?! Especially with VIA K8T800 Pro taking that to 1GHz. -- Ian. EOM |
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 21:53:26 +0100, Ian Hastie wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2004 01:08:19 +0000, K wrote: I don't quite understand you. Most PATA controllers are integrated into the southbridge on your motherboard and have nothing to do with PCI. I can't be entirely sure, but I think you'll find the integrated controller is on the PCI bus. You are correct. [wes@wes2 wes]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS 755 Host Bridge (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 25) 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) 00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 90) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3] (rev a3) [wes@wes2 wes]$ -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 21:56:13 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
I can't be entirely sure, but I think you'll find the integrated controller is on the PCI bus. You are correct. [wes@wes2 wes]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS 755 Host Bridge (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 25) 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) 00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 90) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3] (rev a3) None of those devices use the PCI bus, despite them being PCI devices themselves. In a well designed system the only devices that make use of the bus should be the ones that physically use the PCI slots. K |
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[wes@wes2 wes]$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS 755 Host Bridge (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 25) 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) 00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 90) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3] (rev a3) None of those devices use the PCI bus, despite them being PCI devices themselves. In a well designed system the only devices that make use of the bus should be the ones that physically use the PCI slots. So, do tell, what bus do they use? ISA perhaps? Of course they use the PCI bus, how do you suppose all those integrated LANs, sound, video, etc communicate with everything else? Sheesh. Hellraiser.......... |
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"K" wrote in message news On Sat, 08 May 2004 15:23:18 +0100, Hellraiser wrote: So, do tell, what bus do they use? ISA perhaps? Of course they use the PCI bus, how do you suppose all those integrated LANs, sound, video, etc communicate with everything else? Define 'integrated'. Integrated can mean that that devices are on separate chips on the motherboard, or can mean they have all been placed on one chip, usually the southbridge. They don't need to use any bus if they're all integrated on to the southbridge. The southbridge then communicates with the northbridge with a proprietry interconnect (MuTIOL for SiS chipsets, Hypertransport for VIA, V-Link for VIA). However if any of these devices are on their own chip such as a SATA chip, then they have to make use of the PCI bus OK, explain to me how without a PCI lock, I experience hard disk corruption on an older VIA board which allegedly has its IDE controller as part of the Southbridge, when I increase the FSB? As this apparently doesn't use the PCI bus, there is surely no reason for it to do this is there? Hellraiser.......... |
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