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  #31  
Old January 6th 04, 10:06 AM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system keeps shutting
down by itself. It runns for about five minutes. I can't start system
restore. It says application encountered a problem and needs to close -
this even before it opens. Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before
it crashses again.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule

link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP

Home.
I'm downloading a different file.


SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back


Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)





  #32  
Old January 6th 04, 10:13 AM
Rod Speed
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system
keeps shutting down by itself. It runns for about five minutes.
I can't start system restore. It says application encountered
a problem and needs to close - this even before it opens.
Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before it crashses again.


What does the event log say about what the problem is ?


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule

link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP

Home.
I'm downloading a different file.


SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back


Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)







  #33  
Old January 6th 04, 10:29 AM
Jim Walker
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Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.

Rod
I have a question related to your statement. I am going to clone to an
external USB HD. I have Drive Image 2002 (same as Drive Image 6) and I
can't do a copy to the USB drive. The info on Drive Image 7 says that USB
is supported. It is unclear if all of that can be done in Windows or DOS.
The new Ghost also states that USB is supported. I will buy one or the
other. Any thoughts?


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  #34  
Old January 6th 04, 12:56 PM
tomcas
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless
with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family.

I recently cloned an IBM drive under 2K using the IBM utility Disk Manager
2000. It was relatively effortless. Not quick, but effortless.


  #35  
Old January 6th 04, 05:46 PM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system
keeps shutting down by itself. It runns for about five minutes.
I can't start system restore. It says application encountered
a problem and needs to close - this even before it opens.
Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before it crashses again.


What does the event log say about what the problem is ?


Nehmo - Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.
I'm using old drive too.



"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 ,

eMule
link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP

Home.
I'm downloading a different file.

SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back

Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)









  #36  
Old January 6th 04, 08:04 PM
Rod Speed
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote


- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system
keeps shutting down by itself. It runns for about five minutes.
I can't start system restore. It says application encountered
a problem and needs to close - this even before it opens.
Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before it crashses again.


What does the event log say about what the problem is ?


Nehmo - Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.


Control Panel/Performance and Maintenance/
Admin Tools/Event Viewer/System

I'm using old drive too.


Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget,
that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its
likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons.

Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors.


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 ,

eMule
link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP
Home.
I'm downloading a different file.

SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back

Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)











  #37  
Old January 6th 04, 08:07 PM
Rod Speed
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tomcas wrote in
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Rod Speed wrote


Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless
with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family.


I recently cloned an IBM drive under 2K using the IBM utility Disk
Manager 2000. It was relatively effortless. Not quick, but effortless.


Not as far as bashing you over the head with the fact that
the original drive needs to be physically unplugged for the
first boot after the clone of the original boot drive it isnt.

Thats the main thing that fangs inexperienced users on the
bum time after time after time with the NT/2K/XP family.


  #38  
Old January 6th 04, 08:32 PM
Rod Speed
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Jim Walker wrote in message
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Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.


I have a question related to your statement.
I am going to clone to an external USB HD.


You do actually mean clone and not write the image file to
the USB drive dont you ? Thats one area where there is lots
of confusion with imaging programs that will also clone. They
are quite different operations and both ghost and DI can do both.

You wouldnt normally want to CLONE to a USB HD because
you wouldnt normally want to boot from that cloned drive.

I have Drive Image 2002 (same as Drive Image 6)
and I can't do a copy to the USB drive.


You should be able to do that with other
than the drive you are booted from.

You cant do that with the drive that DI has been booted from.

The info on Drive Image 7 says that USB is supported.


Yes.

It is unclear if all of that can be done in Windows or DOS.


It is done at the Win level with 7, but clearly restoration from
an IMAGE file on a USB drive with say no bootable hard drive
is more tricky. The user manual just makes a VERY cryptic
comment that
• Must have supported storage

device drivers to restore from

PQRE; could require additional

media along with the

PowerQuest recovery CD

Its not clear to me just what they are saying there with USB
external hard drives and either the restore from the USB drive
on a boot drive failure or a reverse clone, back from the USB
drive to the new replacement internal drive on drive failure.

You'd normally boot from the distribution CD to
do that and its not completely clear if that does
support all USB drives in that particular situation.

The new Ghost also states that USB is supported.


Yeah, but its even vaguer about exactly what is supported,
particularly in the situation where the main boot drive has
failed and you want to restore from an image file on the
USB external hard drive to the replacement boot drive.
Certainly Ghost 2003 uses dos USB drivers in that situation
and its not clear if Ghost 2004 is any different on that.

I will buy one or the other. Any thoughts?


Short story is that I havent gotten around to trying that
particular situaiton carefully with external USB or firewire drives.

Both have fully functional demo versions for download so
one obvious approach is to try those and see how it goes
if you have a spare hard drive to try restoring to from the
external drive for a test.

I havent check for reviews on that either.

The other thing worth checking is V2i Protector which goes
much further than Drive Image, doing fully automatic incremental
backups at the Win level as well as crude brute force images.
That should ensure that you are much more likely to be fully
backed up at hard drive death time than with ghost or DI.


  #39  
Old January 6th 04, 08:58 PM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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- Nehmo -
Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.
- Rod Speed -
Control Panel/Performance and Maintenance/
Admin Tools/Event Viewer/System

- Nehmo -
I'm using old drive too.

- Rod Speed -
Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget,
that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its
likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons.

Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors.

- Nehmo -
I found event viewer by looking at Help. I didn't see anything that
looked like a problem, but I don't know what to look for.

I called a friend of mine, Bret, who used to work at Cisco (and now is
trying to run a FIGHT studio. He had his first two customers yesterday.)
.. When I explained, Bret said, "I'm 99% sure, and I don't usually say
that, that it has something to do with the power settings." On his
direction, I went into Windows setup (or I think BIOS means the same
thing) Power Menu ACPI and although it was Yes, I changed it to No
restarted went back into BIOS and changed it back to Yes. I think

things are working now. It hasn't shut down again yet.

Now I have to get back to the drive problem.

I've unplugged and replugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long
nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have
come off. I think the cable is still electrically okay though.

Bret said I should just use Ghost. He wasn't familiar with XXCLONE.


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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
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  #40  
Old January 6th 04, 10:29 PM
Rod Speed
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.
- Rod Speed -
Control Panel/Performance and Maintenance/
Admin Tools/Event Viewer/System

- Nehmo -
I'm using old drive too.

- Rod Speed -
Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget,
that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its
likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons.

Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors.


- Nehmo -
I found event viewer by looking at Help. I didn't see anything
that looked like a problem, but I don't know what to look for.


Basically entrys with a red X in front of them in the System log.

I called a friend of mine, Bret, who used to work at Cisco (and now is
trying to run a FIGHT studio. He had his first two customers yesterday.)
. When I explained, Bret said, "I'm 99% sure, and I don't usually say
that, that it has something to do with the power settings." On his
direction, I went into Windows setup (or I think BIOS means the same
thing) Power Menu ACPI and although it was Yes, I changed it to No
restarted went back into BIOS and changed it back to Yes. I think

things are working now. It hasn't shut down again yet.


OK.

Now I have to get back to the drive problem.


I've unplugged and replugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long
nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have
come off. I think the cable is still electrically okay though.


Best to replace it.

Bret said I should just use Ghost.


Yes, that certainly works. Drive Image too.

He wasn't familiar with XXCLONE.


Yeah, its only been released for a few weeks now.

You appeared to be saying that you had used xxclone successfully.
Isnt it working properly now that the acpi problem is fixed ?


 




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