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Printers survive 83 alone
Lucifer Morningstar wrote in
: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:46:15 -0400, Paul wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:03:42 +1200, Frank Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:42:35 -0400, Alek wrote: micky wrote on 3/6/2017 11:03 AM: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. I spend over an hour the night before I left trying to write a bat file that woudl do this, but I failed^^. So I was very happy when I returned, printed a test pattern I'd downloaded 3 months ago, and it came out just about perfect. All the more strange since the black and yellow? heads on one of them had dried out in February and I had to soak them in alcohol with a paper towel slipped under the heads. (The process worked well. Details on request). Requesting details, please. To stop your print heads from drying out make sure that the printer is OFF, not at the Wall at the printer, as this caps the pint heads. I brought a Epson R390 recently, had been stored for 2 years, replaced a faulty cartridge that was locking up the printer, the printer prints OK after 2 year in storage. Having the printer turned on causes the print heads to dry out, as they are not capped. I was given a nice ink jet printer with five ink cartridges. It had been stored so long even the unopened cartridges were useless. I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* a. Do not take a new toner cartridge out of the protective bag until it is ready to be used. b. When you take the toner cartridge out of the printer for servicing the printer or other purposes, place the toner cartridge into the original protective bag, or wrap it with a thick cloth immediately. [Light-sensitive belt...] c. Do not place it vertically or upside-down. Store the toner cartridge in the same orientation as when installed in the printer. [Toner leakage...] d. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place exposed to direct sunlight. [Light-sensitive belt...] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) f. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place where corrosive gases, such as ammonia, are generated, or where a considerable amount of salt is contained in the air, or where there is a lot of dust. [So no lasers at the seashore.] ******* end quote ******* The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. You can see in some of the text in this patent, which direction the design of toner is headed in. According to this, they're trying to push toner down to lower-temperature fusing, which may account for the low storage temperature in the above quoted text. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0131652.html The patent content helps fill in some of the less-defined details in this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner While the outside layer of the toner particle may be the same as in previous generations, the composition can be quite a bit more complex. Maybe it's the color toner that has all the technical innovation ? Paul Is it OK if the toner light on my Brother monochrome laser printer flashes for a short while and should I wait for the toner light to go out before printing? I have a Brother HL-2700DW monochrome laser printer. I've had it for years and really like it. At any rate, when my toner light goes on, it won't print, I take the cartridge out and gently shake from left to right, on a horizontal plane, and reinstall. This always gives more life, and I keep doing the shake routine until the thing is dead. |
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Frank Williams wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:47:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:06:42 -0400, micky wrote: I agree with you. I don't know why I bought the Epson, since it doesn't have that. I think I was impressed by all the features for only $100, and I kept thinking about it. Ink jet printers are cheap to buy, but expensive to use, since the ink cartridges cost a lot. They're like razors--cheap to buy, but the company makes its money selling you blades. As far as I'm concerned, ink-jets are a bad bargain. Lasers are much better; they cost more in the short run, but less in the long run. But not Photo grade, the only true inkjet's is a Epson all others are bubble jets Somewhat misleading. HP used the word inkjet long before Epson. Canon are the only manufacturer to use the word bubblejet. Most manufacturers use thermal energy to force the ink through the printhead nozzles. HP, Canon and others do it this way. Epson, who also use the word inkjet, use piezo technology to do the same thing; so the ink is "squeezed" through the nozzles without the application of heat. To say they are the only true inkjet is not correct. The terms inkjet and bublejet are simply marketing words and do not refer to the technology. Tony |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:03:38 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote in : Is it OK if the toner light on my Brother monochrome laser printer flashes for a short while and should I wait for the toner light to go out before printing? I have a Brother HL-2700DW monochrome laser printer. I've had it for years and really like it. At any rate, when my toner light goes on, it won't print, I take the cartridge out and gently shake from left to right, on a horizontal plane, and reinstall. This always gives more life, and I keep doing the shake routine until the thing is dead. If I tap the large blue button on mine three times and click my heels it prints a page showing much information including remaining toner and drum life. That page prints correctly when the toner light is flashing and it shows around 50% toner life left. It has printed 780 A4 pages and the toner has been replaced once. I bought it used and have not even looked inside. |
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Printers survive 83 alone
On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:47:26 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:06:42 -0400, micky wrote: I agree with you. I don't know why I bought the Epson, since it doesn't have that. I think I was impressed by all the features for only $100, and I kept thinking about it. Ink jet printers are cheap to buy, but expensive to use, since the ink cartridges cost a lot. They're like razors--cheap to buy, but the company makes its money selling you blades. As far as I'm concerned, ink-jets are a bad bargain. Lasers are much better; they cost more in the short run, but less in the long run. I totally agree. My laser printer recently died*, so I'm temporarily back to using an old Epson inkjet that I had removed from service and stuffed into a cabinet back when I bought my first laser unit. I removed the old ink cartridges and installed 'new' ones, making a note of the "best if used by" date, which was July 2005! It prints as well as it ever did, but I'm eager to get back to a laser unit. I was surprised, though, to see 12 year old ink work. *Saying the laser unit died sort of implies that I don't know what happened to it. Simply put, the magenta toner had some 'rocks' (fused chunks of toner) that jammed up the auger. Technically, that doesn't break anything because the gear-driven auger has a clutch incorporated into the gear assembly, but getting access to the auger and removing the stones took the better part of about 12 hours, and as I sat there, pondering the hundreds of pieces that I now had to reassemble, I said "forget it", or words that start with those letters, and scooped the whole mess into the trash. |
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On 6/16/2017 2:35 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:47:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:06:42 -0400, micky wrote: I agree with you. I don't know why I bought the Epson, since it doesn't have that. I think I was impressed by all the features for only $100, and I kept thinking about it. Ink jet printers are cheap to buy, but expensive to use, since the ink cartridges cost a lot. They're like razors--cheap to buy, but the company makes its money selling you blades. As far as I'm concerned, ink-jets are a bad bargain. Lasers are much better; they cost more in the short run, but less in the long run. I totally agree. My laser printer recently died*, so I'm temporarily back to using an old Epson inkjet that I had removed from service and stuffed into a cabinet back when I bought my first laser unit. I removed the old ink cartridges and installed 'new' ones, making a note of the "best if used by" date, which was July 2005! It prints as well as it ever did, but I'm eager to get back to a laser unit. I was surprised, though, to see 12 year old ink work. *Saying the laser unit died sort of implies that I don't know what happened to it. Simply put, the magenta toner had some 'rocks' (fused chunks of toner) that jammed up the auger. Technically, that doesn't break anything because the gear-driven auger has a clutch incorporated into the gear assembly, but getting access to the auger and removing the stones took the better part of about 12 hours, and as I sat there, pondering the hundreds of pieces that I now had to reassemble, I said "forget it", or words that start with those letters, and scooped the whole mess into the trash. I got totally fed up with inkjet ink prices about 8 years ago and bought an Okidata color Laser C5150n model, I don't use original toner carts they are way too expensive, But I have found Media Sciences brand new carts for about $135.00 cdn for a full set of four CMYK the 5000 page size and a set lasts me about 2 years. Since I no longer do photo work the Fine settig gives me quite acceptable output. not quite photo quality. I tried refilling once and the refill toner ruined my Magenta image drum assembly so I decided to try and repair it with a new doctor blade kit. Took it all apart very carefully and had the table covered with literally hundreds of parts!!! Tried to reassemble it but had too many parts left over.......... So I chucked it in the garbage and bought a new drum Assy for about $$122.00. Lesson learned, No more refilling Toner carts. Char Jacksons post brought this all back to mind. Much the same experience. :-) Rene |
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On 6/16/2017 2:35 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:47:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:06:42 -0400, micky wrote: I agree with you. I don't know why I bought the Epson, since it doesn't have that. I think I was impressed by all the features for only $100, and I kept thinking about it. Ink jet printers are cheap to buy, but expensive to use, since the ink cartridges cost a lot. They're like razors--cheap to buy, but the company makes its money selling you blades. As far as I'm concerned, ink-jets are a bad bargain. Lasers are much better; they cost more in the short run, but less in the long run. I totally agree. My laser printer recently died*, so I'm temporarily back to using an old Epson inkjet that I had removed from service and stuffed into a cabinet back when I bought my first laser unit. I removed the old ink cartridges and installed 'new' ones, making a note of the "best if used by" date, which was July 2005! It prints as well as it ever did, but I'm eager to get back to a laser unit. I was surprised, though, to see 12 year old ink work. *Saying the laser unit died sort of implies that I don't know what happened to it. Simply put, the magenta toner had some 'rocks' (fused chunks of toner) that jammed up the auger. Technically, that doesn't break anything because the gear-driven auger has a clutch incorporated into the gear assembly, but getting access to the auger and removing the stones took the better part of about 12 hours, and as I sat there, pondering the hundreds of pieces that I now had to reassemble, I said "forget it", or words that start with those letters, and scooped the whole mess into the trash. |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:35:04 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: [snip] *Saying the laser unit died sort of implies that I don't know what happened to it. Simply put, the magenta toner had some 'rocks' (fused Nah. It just means you are not getting into the details. chunks of toner) that jammed up the auger. Technically, that doesn't break anything because the gear-driven auger has a clutch incorporated into the gear assembly, but getting access to the auger and removing the stones took the better part of about 12 hours, and as I sat there, pondering the hundreds of pieces that I now had to reassemble, I said "forget it", or words that start with those letters, and scooped the whole mess into the trash. My inkjet printer recently failed by refusing to grab the paper. Murphy struck: the failure occurred when I really wanted the output and did not have time to deal with the problem before going to a meeting. In the end, I was fortunate: I just needed to clean the rollers. I was concerned that I might have to replace the printer, because I had a Dell laser printer that died -- something in the feed mechanism that made it uneconomical to repair -- after 1.2 toner cartridges. My Dell computer died about three months later. I strongly doubt I will ever buy another Dell. I had another inkjet printer die on me similarly. I ended up just replacing it. The printer was only about C$120 so any repair would not have been worth it. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Ink if sealed and kept stored right will last many years i have ink older
then youre's and it works fine but don't tell that to HP they say it cant work it's to old HA. -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:47:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:06:42 -0400, micky wrote: I agree with you. I don't know why I bought the Epson, since it doesn't have that. I think I was impressed by all the features for only $100, and I kept thinking about it. Ink jet printers are cheap to buy, but expensive to use, since the ink cartridges cost a lot. They're like razors--cheap to buy, but the company makes its money selling you blades. As far as I'm concerned, ink-jets are a bad bargain. Lasers are much better; they cost more in the short run, but less in the long run. I totally agree. My laser printer recently died*, so I'm temporarily back to using an old Epson inkjet that I had removed from service and stuffed into a cabinet back when I bought my first laser unit. I removed the old ink cartridges and installed 'new' ones, making a note of the "best if used by" date, which was July 2005! It prints as well as it ever did, but I'm eager to get back to a laser unit. I was surprised, though, to see 12 year old ink work. *Saying the laser unit died sort of implies that I don't know what happened to it. Simply put, the magenta toner had some 'rocks' (fused chunks of toner) that jammed up the auger. Technically, that doesn't break anything because the gear-driven auger has a clutch incorporated into the gear assembly, but getting access to the auger and removing the stones took the better part of about 12 hours, and as I sat there, pondering the hundreds of pieces that I now had to reassemble, I said "forget it", or words that start with those letters, and scooped the whole mess into the trash. |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:49:49 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote: I had another inkjet printer die on me similarly. I ended up just replacing it. The printer was only about C$120 so any repair would not have been worth it. My inkjet printer is a temporary solution until I get around to buying a replacement color laser. It's an Epson R220 that I got for $30-$35 about a dozen years ago. A local store was discontinuing them and put them on sale for $35. Knowing that they come with a set of genuine Epson ink cartridges, which cost way more than that, I bought 5 or 6 printers just to get the ink. A few days later, as a final closeout price, they dropped down to $30 and I went back to get the rest of what they had. I ended up with 12, I think. I immediately gave 3 away to family members and a close friend, but I scavenged the ink from the rest. All but two of the now-inkless printers went immediately to Goodwill, leaving me with two printers and a bunch of ink. That's why I have ink that's so old. |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:29:48 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-06-17 09:11, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:49:49 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: I had another inkjet printer die on me similarly. I ended up just replacing it. The printer was only about C$120 so any repair would not have been worth it. My inkjet printer is a temporary solution until I get around to buying a replacement color laser. It's an Epson R220 that I got for $30-$35 about a dozen years ago. A local store was discontinuing them and put them on sale for $35. Knowing that they come with a set of genuine Epson ink cartridges, which cost way more than that, I bought 5 or 6 printers just to get the ink. A few days later, as a final closeout price, they dropped down to $30 and I went back to get the rest of what they had. I ended up with 12, I think. I immediately gave 3 away to family members and a close friend, but I scavenged the ink from the rest. All but two of the now-inkless printers went immediately to Goodwill, leaving me with two printers and a bunch of ink. That's why I have ink that's so old. I just bought an Epson ET-3600, with ink bottles feeding tanks which feed the print heads. The ink that comes with is supposedly the equivalent of "up to" 200 sets of cartridges, so I figure around 150 is good estimate. Anyhow, brings inkjet cost into the same range as colour laser. Bigger than what I've got, need to make room for it now.... https://www.amazon.com/Epson-EcoTank.../dp/B01IH2KM5K I expected to hate it, but it's not as bad as I expected. :-) Surely not my cup of tea, but I see some of its benefits. |
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