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ECS GeForce6100SM-M (1.0) AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100S Micro ATX AMD
Motherboard Athlon 64 X2 5400+ 2GB RAM, WinXP I want to switch over to an intel processor and I'm considering the i3 530 or the i5 750; big difference I know. But I've read the i3 is very overclockable if I decide to go that way. But I'm not sure if it's enough of an upgrade to bother. The only real benchmarks I could find comparing them are Passmark which I'm not that familiar with. Passmark X2 5400 1493/284 i3 540 2865/129 i3 530 2713/136 i5 750 4195/58 I don't game at all. I use my pc for vector graphics, video transcoding and lots of multitasking. I would like to keep the upgrade under $300 initially (mb, cpu, ram). |
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Mac Cool wrote:
Athlon 64 X2 5400+ 2GB RAM, WinXP I want to switch over to an intel processor and I'm considering the i3 530 or the i5 750; big difference I know. But I've read the i3 is very overclockable if I decide to go that way. But I'm not sure if it's enough of an upgrade to bother. Short answer: Yes, it's enough of an upgrade to bother - it's a 2-generations newer and better core, with more memory bandwidth and a better cache architecture, and hyperthreading, etc. It may not be the optimal choice for your applications, though: I don't game at all. I use my pc for vector graphics, video transcoding and lots of multitasking. I would like to keep the upgrade under $300 initially (mb, cpu, ram). Video transcoding will tend to use extra cores nicely. If you can go up to the i5-750 or an i7, that's probably your best choice (although for very heavy video-encoding usage, the 6-core Phenom IIs are an interesting value) but /specifically for video/ compared to the i3, you might do better sacrificing a fair bit of speed per core and going with an even cheaper AMD quad core (ie $99 Athlon II X4 635, $118 Phenom II X4 940, prices per Newegg). Those are pretty specific to video encoding; the hyperthreading on the i3 is going to be pretty much as good as a quad core in /responsiveness/ except on continuously-at-100% workloads. -- Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/ preferred email | is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It's obscenity. I'm posting domain | for it." |
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Nate Edel:
It may not be the optimal choice for your applications, though: Yeah, this is what I'm struggling with. I suspect it will be fine on the transcoding. Heck my 5400 protests (runs very hot) but mostly gets the job done. From looking at benchmarks the i3 would kick it's ass but yeah, the Phenom would be even better (transcoding) for the money. I can't find benchmarks on vector graphics (Illustrator, Coreldraw). There are Photoshop benchmarks but I doubt they correlate. Per multitasking, I imagine that's more hard disk speed and memory than cpu. Video transcoding will tend to use extra cores nicely. If you can go up to the i5-750 or an i7, that's probably your best choice That knocks me out of my budget though. We are also remodeling and I'm on a very tight budget for the next 6 months. for very heavy video-encoding usage, the 6-core Phenom IIs are an interesting value) but /specifically for video/ compared to the i3, you might do better sacrificing a fair bit of speed per core and going with an even cheaper AMD quad core (ie $99 Athlon II X4 635, $118 Phenom II X4 940, prices per Newegg). It's tempting. I've built a lot of AMD machines over the years but proportionally I've had a lot of problems with weirdness (hardware conflicts, driver conflicts, overheating). My intel builds always seem to be less problematic. |
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On Jun 11, 3:41*pm, Mac Cool wrote:
Per multitasking, I imagine that's more hard disk speed and memory than cpu. My eight thread machines (Intel) seem to handle simultaneous heavy disk i/o and all the other things I do (like running multiple machines from the same monitor while watching HD video) much more gracefully than my two-thread machines (Intel and AMD). I suspect the difference is more graceful handling of frequent interrupts. Running memory space limited rarely makes good sense, if time and avoidance of frustration are important to you, regardless of the processor. Computer buying decisions and preferences can be so personal, but, if I were you, I'd keep my money in my pocket and focus on the house for six months. Robert. |
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On 6/10/2010 1:22 PM, Mac Cool wrote:
ECS GeForce6100SM-M (1.0) AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100S Micro ATX AMD Motherboard Athlon 64 X2 5400+ 2GB RAM, WinXP I want to switch over to an intel processor and I'm considering the i3 530 or the i5 750; big difference I know. But I've read the i3 is very overclockable if I decide to go that way. But I'm not sure if it's enough of an upgrade to bother. The only real benchmarks I could find comparing them are Passmark which I'm not that familiar with. Passmark X2 5400 1493/284 i3 540 2865/129 i3 530 2713/136 i5 750 4195/58 I don't game at all. I use my pc for vector graphics, video transcoding and lots of multitasking. I would like to keep the upgrade under $300 initially (mb, cpu, ram). I'd go with the i5, and not bother with the i3. If something isn't at least 4 times faster, then it's hard to notice a difference. for very heavy video-encoding usage, the 6-core Phenom IIs are an interesting value) but /specifically for video/ compared to the i3, you might do better sacrificing a fair bit of speed per core and going with an even cheaper AMD quad core (ie $99 Athlon II X4 635, $118 Phenom II X4 940, prices per Newegg). It's tempting. I've built a lot of AMD machines over the years but proportionally I've had a lot of problems with weirdness (hardware conflicts, driver conflicts, overheating). My intel builds always seem to be less problematic. Any sort of homebuilt PC will experience those wierdnesses, the component manufacturers can't and don't test them in the same way as a complete OEM system would be tested. You yourself are the system tester. My brother-in-law has a full-gamer system with i7-920 processor, and he has weirdnesses happening on his system too, like he always has to reboot twice before the system will boot again. I'm sure a BIOS update will fix that, but it's upto him to find the updates and apply them. I think AMD systems will probably make a quantum leap advance in stability nowadays as AMD itself is now manufacturing all of the chipsets for its own processors. Nvidia has left the game, for both Intel and AMD systems. Yousuf Khan |
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Yousuf Khan:
I think AMD systems will probably make a quantum leap advance in stability nowadays as AMD itself is now manufacturing all of the chipsets for its own processors. Nvidia has left the game, for both Intel and AMD systems. Good info, maybe I will give it another go then. Funny to get so much pro- AMD advice in an intel group. In the past it has been mostly the via and nvidia chipsets giving the trouble, I've never had problems with the AMD processors themselves. |
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On 6/13/2010 3:08 AM, Mac Cool wrote:
Yousuf Khan: I think AMD systems will probably make a quantum leap advance in stability nowadays as AMD itself is now manufacturing all of the chipsets for its own processors. Nvidia has left the game, for both Intel and AMD systems. Good info, maybe I will give it another go then. Funny to get so much pro- AMD advice in an intel group. In the past it has been mostly the via and nvidia chipsets giving the trouble, I've never had problems with the AMD processors themselves. VIA chipsets were absolutely horrid creatures, with incompatibility problems up the wazoo. VIA spent a lot of time adding new features to its chipsets, but ignored fixing basic features. When Nvidia came along, they produced some interesting chipsets, based on their original Xbox chipset. The original Nforce chipset was one of the first and possibly only chipsets that could convert any audio format into Dolby 5.1 audio on the fly. They gave up that highly original feature in their second generation chipset, and then it just became another chipset company competing on feature bloat (dangerous RAID drivers that toasted your data, hardware firewalls that were worse than software ones, Gigabit Ethernet accelerators that didn't, etc.). That's why Intel chipsets were so highly favoured since the Pentium Classic days. They simply concentrated on basic functionality and getting those right. So far, AMD is following Intel's path and keeping their chipsets basic. They haven't bothered to create their own Wi-Fi chipset. RAID is usually provided by external chips. Yousuf Khan |
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Mac Cool wrote:
Yousuf Khan: I think AMD systems will probably make a quantum leap advance in stability nowadays as AMD itself is now manufacturing all of the chipsets for its own processors. Nvidia has left the game, for both Intel and AMD systems. Good info, maybe I will give it another go then. Funny to get so much pro- AMD advice in an intel group. In the past it has been mostly the via and nvidia chipsets giving the trouble, I've never had problems with the AMD processors themselves. Avoiding NVidia chipsets is equally good advice in the Intel processor side. -- Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/ preferred email | is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It's obscenity. I'm posting domain | for it." |
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Robert Myers wrote:
On Jun 11, 3:41Â*pm, Mac Cool wrote: Per multitasking, I imagine that's more hard disk speed and memory than cpu. My eight thread machines (Intel) seem to handle simultaneous heavy disk i/o and all the other things I do (like running multiple machines from the same monitor while watching HD video) much more gracefully than my two-thread machines (Intel and AMD). I suspect the difference is more graceful handling of frequent interrupts. There are often enough badly-written tasks that sit at 100% utilization that with a regular 2-core/1-thread-per-core CPU you're back to essentially having a single-threaded CPU for everything else. It seems reasonably unusual to have two of those at once, and my intuition is that a dual-core/2-threads-per-core (ie i3/i5 model) will do nearly as well as a real quad-core for most people. Tasks that run 2 or more threads at 100% for real work will want more than 2 physical cores; my main experience with that is video encoding. I'm not sure whether the extra thread per core makes much difference on quad core systems, with one exception: virtualbox runs a LOT better on my work system (Xeon W3565, 4 cores/8 threads, 3.2ghz, 12gb) than my home system (Q9550 overclocked at 3.15ghz, 8gb) but more memory, more cache and the newer core (including better VT?) makes it hard to compare directly even with the clock speeds relatively close. -- Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/ preferred email | is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It's obscenity. I'm posting domain | for it." |
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On Jun 15, 5:43*pm, (Nate Edel) wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: On Jun 11, 3:41*pm, Mac Cool wrote: Per multitasking, I imagine that's more hard disk speed and memory than cpu. My eight thread machines (Intel) seem to handle simultaneous heavy disk i/o and all the other things I do (like running multiple machines from the same monitor while watching HD video) much more gracefully than my two-thread machines (Intel and AMD). *I suspect the difference is more graceful handling of frequent interrupts. There are often enough badly-written tasks that sit at 100% utilization that with a regular 2-core/1-thread-per-core CPU you're back to essentially having a single-threaded CPU for everything else. * It seems reasonably unusual to have two of those at once, and my intuition is that a dual-core/2-threads-per-core (ie i3/i5 model) will do nearly as well as a real quad-core for most people. * Tasks that run 2 or more threads at 100% for real work will want more than 2 physical cores; my main experience with that is video encoding. I'm not sure whether the extra thread per core makes much difference on quad core systems, with one exception: virtualbox runs a LOT better on my work system (Xeon W3565, 4 cores/8 threads, 3.2ghz, 12gb) than my home system (Q9550 overclocked at 3.15ghz, 8gb) but more memory, more cache and the newer core (including better VT?) makes it hard to compare directly even with the clock speeds relatively close. I'm not doing anything special right now, and I can drive this machine (albeit not very often) over 50% CPU usage--whatever that really means. Computationally-intensive tasks wind up on other boxes. I'm not a typical user, but the idea that there is nothing to do with all those resources (unless you are doing something computationally- intensive and parallel) is just wrong. If I did load the box with something computationally-intensive, I think I'd notice the difference between four and eight threads in an unpleasant way. Robert. Robert. |
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