Delay in Start when Pushing Power Button

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Bulging capacitors ? time for a new board - now.

Biostar have never been a top line brand, nore at the other end,
consider another brand / any brand with nice new caps.

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Bulging capacitors ? time for a new board - now.

Biostar have never been a top line brand, nore at the other end,
consider another brand / any brand with nice new caps.


Interesting comment. I've got tons of experience with many brands of
motherboards, most specifically Biostar and Asus. I would say Biostar is a
step or two ABOVE Asus in terms of quality. That's not really impressive
though. Asus is a low-end brand that is WAY over-hyped. Asus is Kia
quality with a Toyota Reputation. I really don't understand how even most
professionals are so snowed by the Asus brand.

In terms of quality, I find AOpen and DFI (especially AOpen) to be top-line,
with Biostar and Epox being just below them. But there are other good
brands also in the same tier (second) such as Gigabyte, Chaintech, and MSI.

Asus you won't find at the bottom end. The very bottom of the list will
always be occupied by PCCHIPS/ECS. Still, if PCCHIPS/ECS raises their
quality a bit, they might be able to compete with Asus soon. That's pretty
sad. -Dave

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Bulging capacitors ? time for a new board - now.

Biostar have never been a top line brand, nore at the other end,
consider another brand / any brand with nice new caps.


Interesting comment. I've got tons of experience with many brands
of motherboards, most specifically Biostar and Asus. I would say
Biostar is a step or two ABOVE Asus in terms of quality. That's
not really impressive though. Asus is a low-end brand that is WAY
over-hyped. Asus is Kia quality with a Toyota Reputation. I
really don't understand how even most professionals are so snowed
by the Asus brand.

If your opinion is based on "tons of experience", why wouldn't
professionals with at least as much experience have a better
opinion?


In terms of quality, I find AOpen and DFI (especially AOpen) to be
top-line, with Biostar and Epox being just below them.

AOpen isn't even on the chart and Epox registers last according to
USENET user popularity.


But there are other good
brands also in the same tier (second) such as Gigabyte, Chaintech,
and MSI... -Dave

I think you're getting warm. Gigabyte and MSI are third and fourth
in popularity among USENET users.

Those statistics according to my USENET server. I'm not suggesting
any direct meaning except for popularity among mostly technically
inclined USENET users. But when something is very popular, people
tend to notice defects, the product is under greater scrutiny.
Besides, you're more likely to get answers when you need help. The
ability to get technical help on USENET is in part how I base my
purchases.

Good luck.












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Interesting comment. I've got tons of experience with many brands
of motherboards, most specifically Biostar and Asus. I would say
Biostar is a step or two ABOVE Asus in terms of quality. That's
not really impressive though. Asus is a low-end brand that is WAY
over-hyped. Asus is Kia quality with a Toyota Reputation. I
really don't understand how even most professionals are so snowed
by the Asus brand.

If your opinion is based on "tons of experience", why wouldn't
professionals with at least as much experience have a better
opinion?


Because I'm a professional myself. In fact, if Asus was better quality, I
might be unemployed, so I better not bitch too much about Asus quality, or
lack thereof. I'm pretty busy tracing problems to defective Asus boards and
swapping them out for better brands. If all systems had DFI and Biostar
boards to begin with, I'd be looking for work right now. -Dave

"Dave" wrote:



Interesting comment. I've got tons of experience with many
brands of motherboards, most specifically Biostar and Asus. I
would say Biostar is a step or two ABOVE Asus in terms of
quality. That's not really impressive though. Asus is a
low-end brand that is WAY over-hyped. Asus is Kia quality with
a Toyota Reputation. I really don't understand how even most
professionals are so snowed by the Asus brand.

If your opinion is based on "tons of experience", why wouldn't
professionals with at least as much experience have a better
opinion?


Because I'm a professional myself. In fact, if Asus was better
quality, I might be unemployed, so I better not bitch too much
about Asus quality, or lack thereof. I'm pretty busy tracing
problems to defective Asus boards and swapping them out for better
brands. If all systems had DFI and Biostar boards to begin with,
I'd be looking for work right now. -Dave

Or maybe Asus is so popular and DFI/Biostar are so unpopular, it
just looks that way. In other words, perhaps you run across many
malfunctioning Asus mainboards because because they are many times
the number of DFI and Biostar.

I'm not a fan of Asus, I'm trying to figure out the common sense
inconsistency of your argument. Maybe Asus is so popular because
OEMs prefer them? Then again, OEMs do not like support calls. Are
you talking about boards that are out of warranty?

Or maybe Asus is so popular and DFI/Biostar are so unpopular, it
just looks that way. In other words, perhaps you run across many
malfunctioning Asus mainboards because because they are many times
the number of DFI and Biostar.

I'm not a fan of Asus, I'm trying to figure out the common sense
inconsistency of your argument. Maybe Asus is so popular because
OEMs prefer them? Then again, OEMs do not like support calls. Are
you talking about boards that are out of warranty?


Most of the failures I see happen well within the first year, typically
within the first few months. Don't know about the warranty issue, as I
don't deal with that. The systems I support need zero downtime (or as close
to possible), so when I have a mainboard failure, I replace it and someone
else gets the headache of what to do with the piece of crap. (I
suspect most of them end up in the garbage)

From what I've observed, Asus boards seem to have a 10% or higher failure
rate within the first year of normal use, with a ~8% failure rate within the
first few months of normal use. (most failures happen pretty fast, some
within days of when the system is finished)

I wouldn't build a system with an Asus board if someone held a gun to my
head. Well, maybe if she was cute, and only needed a Internet appliance and
asked REALLY NICELY. -Dave