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Any AMD networked desktop problems ???
Greetings to all,
Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? I'm a network admin, and I've got a consultant who is advising that we purchase some AMD powered desktops. In the past my attitude has been to always purchase pentiums - simply because I do NOT have the time to worry about possible processor conflicts (there's FAR too many other issues for admins to fret about!) Not that pentiums are perfect, but the user base is so massive that it's likely enormous pressure will be brought to bear on those responsible for any problems. It's also my hunch that any performance gain from AMD would not be significant to my users. Finally, a pentium problem is much easier to explain to management than an AMD problem. I should mention that we are using Win2k servers, Win2k3 servers, Citrix (bigtime), AD, VPNs across several sites, wireless networking, SQL, and (soon) considerable multimedia technology. Thanks! |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:22:27 -0400, "Frankster" wrote:
Greetings to all, Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? I'm a network admin, and I've got a consultant who is advising that we purchase some AMD powered desktops. In the past my attitude has been to always purchase pentiums - simply because I do NOT have the time to worry about possible processor conflicts (there's FAR too many other issues for admins to fret about!) Not that pentiums are perfect, but the user base is so massive that it's likely enormous pressure will be brought to bear on those responsible for any problems. It's also my hunch that any performance gain from AMD would not be significant to my users. Finally, a pentium problem is much easier to explain to management than an AMD problem. I should mention that we are using Win2k servers, Win2k3 servers, Citrix (bigtime), AD, VPNs across several sites, wireless networking, SQL, and (soon) considerable multimedia technology. Thanks! Never ever heard of any network problem traceable to a CPU, be it AMD, Intel, or anything else. OTOH, had quite a few of them due to NICs, hubs, and other networking gear malfunctioning, including, but not limited to, Intel-branded hardware. |
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I should mention that we are using Win2k servers, Win2k3 servers, Citrix (bigtime), AD, VPNs across several sites, wireless networking, SQL, and (soon) considerable multimedia technology. My understanding is the amd64 cpu is an extension of the original athlon design and as such has a longer track record than the pentium4, that said i fail to see how a cpu would have any effect on networking except speed {1} you should be more concerned with the chipsets of the motherboards though even then i doubt you would have problems. even if you have apps compiled for only pentium 4's {2} an amd64 has sse2 and some the major bits of sse3 as well though i highly doubt you have any code that tweaked the reason the consultant is recomending amd is the bitch slap intel in every real test except transcoding so badly that its not even funny. for server there hasnt been a reason to chose intel for 18months and it will be next year before their server chips go dual core, its unfortunate since servers are one of the places dual cores really thrive. you may wish to expand upon the multimedia stuff you will be doing because its one of the few areas intel can still compete. {1} i suppose if there was a major bug and the os was coded to have probs with that particular bug then possibly it could give you probs but there would be a patch to solve it like the pentium floating point thing {2} -march=pentium4 or whatever icc uses to force the use of the sse2 unit |
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Frankster wrote:
Greetings to all, Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? What possible network problem could ever come from the CPU? Your question makes about as much sense as asking whether having too many Toshiba rather than Sony tv's tuned to a certain channel has ever caused that tv station to go offline. I'm a network admin, and I've got a consultant who is advising that we purchase some AMD powered desktops. In the past my attitude has been to always purchase pentiums - simply because I do NOT have the time to worry about possible processor conflicts (there's FAR too many other issues for admins to fret about!) Not that pentiums are perfect, but the user base is so massive that it's likely enormous pressure will be brought to bear on those responsible for any problems. It's also my hunch that any performance gain from AMD would not be significant to my users. Finally, a pentium problem is much easier to explain to management than an AMD problem. It sounds to me like you want us to confirm your prejudices. You don't need us to do that, all you have to do is stomp into your management's office and tell them, "I hate AMD's, I ain't gonna work in no office that has them dang AMD's." I'm sure they'll find that to be a compelling argument. :-) But if you are open-minded, then there are some very tangible reasons for going with AMD processors instead of Intel ones. Lower power consumption, resulting in less electrical bills, and less heat. Recent tests measured right at the power supply have shown that with identically configured AMD and Intel systems, the AMD systems would use 185W while the Intel ones would use 250W. This is a result of not only the greater power requirements of the CPU, but the extra fans and longer durations that the fans must be run at full speed on the Intel systems. As for performance, and whether users will notice the difference, that entirely depends on what the current systems that they are comparing them to. They will easily notice a difference if the current systems are P4 2.4Ghz or lower. Upto P4 3.0Ghz, they might notice a slight difference. Beyond that, I doubt it, especially for office apps. One thing they may find is that the AMD's are much more balanced performers, they are usually rated "very good" at all applications. Whereas the Pentium 4's maybe merely "good" at most applications, and "excellent" in a few select applications like video encoding. I should mention that we are using Win2k servers, Win2k3 servers, Citrix (bigtime), AD, VPNs across several sites, wireless networking, SQL, and (soon) considerable multimedia technology. Excellent, AMD processors are the preferred choice for most server applications too, especially all of those ones that you just mentioned. For example, it's well known that Pentium 4/Xeon needs highly optimized software to run well; an older operating system like Win2K wouldn't be able to provide that kind of optimization on a Xeon since Microsoft doesn't update it anymore. An AMD Opteron would take any operating system, old or new, run it well with or without optimization; because of its more generally balanced performance. Also Microsoft itself initially developed the new 64-bit versions of its operating systems entirely on AMD processors. Yousuf Khan |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:22:27 -0400, "Frankster" wrote:
Greetings to all, Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? There would certainly be nothing due to the processors themselves. They perform flawlessly. The only possible problem you might have would be with older versions of anti-virus software, e.g. Symantec Anti-Virus 8.01 in combination with WinXP SP2 - the NX bit does work and you can get DEP (Data Execute Protection) crashes under some situations. I normally turn off Floppy Check on Shutdown anyway but if you don't.... BOOM! I am sick to death of Symantec with their flakey drivers and gouging on "Gold Insurance" to get "upgrades" which are only bug fixes. I'm a network admin, and I've got a consultant who is advising that we purchase some AMD powered desktops. In the past my attitude has been to always purchase pentiums - simply because I do NOT have the time to worry about possible processor conflicts (there's FAR too many other issues for admins to fret about!) Not that pentiums are perfect, but the user base is so massive that it's likely enormous pressure will be brought to bear on those responsible for any problems. It's also my hunch that any performance gain from AMD would not be significant to my users. Finally, a pentium problem is much easier to explain to management than an AMD problem. Huh? Is your "management" just too dense to understand "equipment"? You can get a dud from any mfr. I should mention that we are using Win2k servers, Win2k3 servers, Citrix (bigtime), AD, VPNs across several sites, wireless networking, SQL, and (soon) considerable multimedia technology. We have several AMD systems, the most recent K8s based on mbrds with VIA K8T800 chipsets and nVidia nForce3 chipsets with integrated Gigabit NICs; we also have some K7s on nForce2 chipsets with integrated 100Mbit NICs. Not a problem with any of them. I recently upgraded our LAN hub stack to a D-Link DGS-1224TG 10/100/1000Mbps switch and all the integrated 100Mbps NICs are working fine at 100Mbps full duplex and the Gigabit NICs at 1000Mbps full duplex... all on our old cat-5 cabling. The port monitoing on the switch is showing very low error rates on all ports - I figure what errors there are, are probably due to power-on/off resyncing. The old file/print server is about to be upgraded to a K8 on a nForce4 chipset... to keep up with the PCs.:-) -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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Frankster wrote:
Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? I'm a network admin, A network admin as clueless as this? Tell me you're joking. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 08:37:09 -0500, chrisv wrote:
Frankster wrote: Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? I'm a network admin, A network admin as clueless as this? Tell me you're joking. I blame Microsoft......and "wizards" ;-) |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 09:46:51 -0400, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2005 08:37:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: Frankster wrote: Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? I'm a network admin, A network admin as clueless as this? Tell me you're joking. I blame Microsoft......and "wizards" ;-) Could be that nine year old Microsoft Certified Professional! http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/72339/ni...fessional.html All this time I thought network and Microsoft and Desktop was a no no in one sentence. Especially after reading this: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/securit...9189876,00.htm This is like the never ending online running joke of the decade. Regardless if they would of only listened. Gnu_Raiz |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 09:46:51 -0400, daytripper
wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2005 08:37:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: Frankster wrote: Has anyone heard of any networked desktop problems that have been proven to be due to AMD processors? I'm a network admin, A network admin as clueless as this? Tell me you're joking. I blame Microsoft......and "wizards" ;-) What? You mean a network admin who's never had to drop down to all the command line, character mode err, utilities? -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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