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Old April 16th 04, 12:14 AM
Richard Brooks
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Default Waking up second pair of IDE slots.

[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it ********!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System Device Managerdevices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.






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Old April 16th 04, 02:30 AM
MrB
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I did this once. I think the answer was that you have to install the
operating system on that slot. You can't install it on one and move it to
another. I also was amazed that your name is the same as mine. I didn't
notice that until I hit the reply to group button.

"Richard Brooks" wrote in message
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[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and

the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it ********!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device'

shows
up in 'System Device Managerdevices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.








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Old April 17th 04, 01:00 AM
Richard Brooks
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MrB wrote:
I did this once. I think the answer was that you have to install the
operating system on that slot. You can't install it on one and move
it to another. I also was amazed that your name is the same as mine.
I didn't notice that until I hit the reply to group button.


Hello me! Or are you the famous film producer of some time ago which can't
be me ?

Oh crap. Does this mean I have to format the drive again and then install
everything ? I wish the manual explained at least something useful.


In the BIOS of course it only shows primary and secondary master and slaves
so I assume that the two ATA100 slots then have to wake up on a new system.
If it's still not the ase then that's a lot fo re-installing of everything.
Plug-n-play ? Give me wooden bricks and some nails!


Richard.




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[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it ********!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes
the machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage
device' shows up in 'System Device Managerdevices' and installing
the Ultra100 drivers doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.



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Old April 17th 04, 04:18 AM
JT
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:14:16 +0100, "Richard Brooks"
wrote:

[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it ********!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System Device Managerdevices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.



The second pair of IDE connectors on most boards is just like an add on
SCSI or RAID controller. They have thier own BIOS setup that runs after the
regular BIOS. That is used to identify and setup any drives on that
controller. Drives on the extra controller connectors will not show up in
the regular BIOS information screen, but in the screens that happen after
the normal BIOS screen, but before booting.

There may also be an option in the main bios to enable the second
controller and its startup screen.

Follow the same information for that extra controller as your OS requires
for installation with an add on controller. Also, if you want the drives on
that set of connectors to boot, then you have to set the main bios to boot
something like SCSI or Addon controller before the main IDE controller.

Hope this helps

JT
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Old April 17th 04, 11:39 AM
Richard Brooks
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JT wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:14:16 +0100, "Richard Brooks"
wrote:

[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it ********!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes
the machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage
device' shows up in 'System Device Managerdevices' and installing
the Ultra100 drivers doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.



The second pair of IDE connectors on most boards is just like an add
on SCSI or RAID controller. They have thier own BIOS setup that runs
after the regular BIOS. That is used to identify and setup any drives
on that controller. Drives on the extra controller connectors will
not show up in the regular BIOS information screen, but in the
screens that happen after the normal BIOS screen, but before booting.

There may also be an option in the main bios to enable the second
controller and its startup screen.

Follow the same information for that extra controller as your OS
requires for installation with an add on controller. Also, if you
want the drives on that set of connectors to boot, then you have to
set the main bios to boot something like SCSI or Addon controller
before the main IDE controller.

Hope this helps

JT


Thanks JT, I shall try that as I've been trying to do video capture at
largest sizes on the normal slots, forgetting that I had the second pair
when I just had to look through the manual again, didn't I causing more
headaches.



Richard.


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Old April 17th 04, 03:06 PM
Richard Brooks
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JT wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:14:16 +0100, "Richard Brooks"
wrote:

[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."


[snipped]

The second pair of IDE connectors on most boards is just like an add
on SCSI or RAID controller. They have thier own BIOS setup that runs
after the regular BIOS. That is used to identify and setup any drives
on that controller. Drives on the extra controller connectors will
not show up in the regular BIOS information screen, but in the
screens that happen after the normal BIOS screen, but before booting.

There may also be an option in the main bios to enable the second
controller and its startup screen.

Follow the same information for that extra controller as your OS
requires for installation with an add on controller. Also, if you
want the drives on that set of connectors to boot, then you have to
set the main bios to boot something like SCSI or Addon controller
before the main IDE controller.

Hope this helps

JT


Hi again JT,

I'd just did a test putting a drive that could be sacrificed on the first
ATA100 slot, inserted a rescue disk into A: ready to fdisk (if needs be) and
format the drive but the RAMdisk then sets to C: and fdisk recognises no
fixed disks. I've got my boot order set to SCSI/ATA first also.

The manual says that EIDE cables can be used and nothing about having to
switch to 80 conductor cables but I'll buy one anyway - and a separate EIDE
card just in case.

Thanks anyway,


Richard.




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Old April 17th 04, 07:42 PM
JT
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:06:29 +0100, "Richard Brooks"
Hi again JT,

I'd just did a test putting a drive that could be sacrificed on the first
ATA100 slot, inserted a rescue disk into A: ready to fdisk (if needs be) and
format the drive but the RAMdisk then sets to C: and fdisk recognises no
fixed disks. I've got my boot order set to SCSI/ATA first also.

The manual says that EIDE cables can be used and nothing about having to
switch to 80 conductor cables but I'll buy one anyway - and a separate EIDE
card just in case.

Thanks anyway,


Richard.




Do you see the ATA 100 setup when you boot? You should, and you can setup
the drives there.

What OS are you using? Also, you must use 80wire cables for anything faster
than ATA33. The controller might not work with a 40 wire cable.

JT
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Old April 17th 04, 09:58 PM
Richard Brooks
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JT wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:06:29 +0100, "Richard Brooks"
Hi again JT,

I'd just did a test putting a drive that could be sacrificed on the
first ATA100 slot, inserted a rescue disk into A: ready to fdisk (if
needs be) and format the drive but the RAMdisk then sets to C: and
fdisk recognises no fixed disks. I've got my boot order set to
SCSI/ATA first also.

The manual says that EIDE cables can be used and nothing about
having to switch to 80 conductor cables but I'll buy one anyway -
and a separate EIDE card just in case.

Thanks anyway,


Richard.




Do you see the ATA 100 setup when you boot? You should, and you can
setup the drives there.


No, nothing! It's a 694D Pro(MS-6321) VIA VT82C694X chipset, dual Pentium
III processor board.

The manual clearly says of the four IDEs "..this connector supports the
provided IDE hard disk cable." Of course the cables are the standard set.
There is no note that states that an 80 cable lead is needed but I suspect
that it really does need that anyway.

What OS are you using? Also, you must use 80wire cables for anything
faster than ATA33. The controller might not work with a 40 wire cable.


I'm using Win98se which was the stated OS for an expensive broadcast capture
card that I'd partly built the machine for, dual processors having been used
a lot in 3D animation rendering.

All the manual states is that by plugging into the third IDE slot (ATA100-1)
it'll then enable that feature. You'd have thought that they'd put in
little attention grabbing notes relating to non-supplied leads needed for
the ATA100s ?

Tomorrow, I'm off to get higher spec leads and will look for a more
extensive riser board just in case it (the motherboard) still ****es around.

Thanks again JT.


Richard.


 




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