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USB/IDE drive runs weird during large file copy
I just installed a 80GB IDE hard disk into an USB 2.0 mobile case.
Small files are pretty quickly copied but large ones 30 MB to 1 GB take an extremely long time for the operation from the ATA133 to the USB disk. I noted also that files look to be copied by couples in the same time. All USB peripherals are of course frozen during the operations. My OS is Win98SE. Questions: 1- How to determine if the USB ports are working following 2.0 standard or 1.0 ? 2- How to proceed to determine if it's an hardware problem or a windows 98SE issue ? 3- I've often had problems (slowing down, crash, freezing, ...) with Explorer, with large files and or large number of small files, Anybody knows an alternative to Explorer which may deal with such a problem ? TIA |
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"Zorro" writes:
.... Questions: 1- How to determine if the USB ports are working following 2.0 standard or 1.0 ? From the usb faq at www.usb.org How do I know if my PC supports USB? Where can I get USBReady? http://www.usb.org/faq/ans3#q1 |
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Thank you very much for your answer
but sorry ... , I'm not asking how to determine if my PC supports USB. The answer is obviously yes. The question is: Are my USB ports running full USB 2.0 speed ? Unfortunately the FAQ and the search I made on Internet don't help me. In the mean time two questions remain: 2- How to proceed to determine if it's an hardware problem or a windows 98SE issue ? 3- I've often had problems (slowing down, crash, freezing, ...) with Explorer, with large files and or large number of small files. Does anybody know an alternative to Explorer which may deal with such a problem ? Regards "Don Taylor From:" a écrit dans le message news: ... "Zorro" writes: ... Questions: 1- How to determine if the USB ports are working following 2.0 standard or 1.0 ? From the usb faq at www.usb.org How do I know if my PC supports USB? Where can I get USBReady? http://www.usb.org/faq/ans3#q1 |
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"Zorro" wrote in message ... Thank you very much for your answer but sorry ... , I'm not asking how to determine if my PC supports USB. The answer is obviously yes. The question is: Are my USB ports running full USB 2.0 speed ? Unfortunately the FAQ and the search I made on Internet don't help me. In the mean time two questions remain: 2- How to proceed to determine if it's an hardware problem or a windows 98SE issue ? 98se was not the greastest in dealing with USB 1, it was always an addon to the OS. I think here it would be a driver issue rather than the actual OS. 3- I've often had problems (slowing down, crash, freezing, ...) with Explorer, with large files and or large number of small files. Does anybody know an alternative to Explorer which may deal with such a problem ? Is DMA enabled on the hard drives? Do you defrag? what about IDE ribbon change. any memory errors..BSOD's? Regards "Don Taylor From:" a écrit dans le message news: ... "Zorro" writes: ... Questions: 1- How to determine if the USB ports are working following 2.0 standard or 1.0 ? From the usb faq at www.usb.org How do I know if my PC supports USB? Where can I get USBReady? http://www.usb.org/faq/ans3#q1 |
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"Zorro" writes:
Thank you very much for your answer but sorry ... , I'm not asking how to determine if my PC supports USB. The answer is obviously yes. My apologies, you had originally asked whether your USB was 1.0 or 2.0. I thought that usbready.exe had a detailed view that determined whether the USB hardware supported 1.0 or 2.0 mode. But I don't find that now. I must have been using something else that provided that information. I'll try to find that again. Maybe it was from here http://www.lvr.com/usb.htm The question is: Are my USB ports running full USB 2.0 speed ? That is a wildly different question. Having written software in a previous lifetime, "full speed" can mean very different things to different people. Badly written drivers can run an order of magnitude slower than well written ones. And those can run an order of magnitude slower than pure hardware support. Multiple layers of Windows before it gets to the driver itself can make a larger difference than any of this. Unfortunately the FAQ and the search I made on Internet don't help me. In the mean time two questions remain: 2- How to proceed to determine if it's an hardware problem or a windows 98SE issue ? 3- I've often had problems (slowing down, crash, freezing, ...) with Explorer, with large files and or large number of small files. Does anybody know an alternative to Explorer which may deal with such a problem ? Regards "Don Taylor From:" a écrit dans le message news: ... "Zorro" writes: ... Questions: 1- How to determine if the USB ports are working following 2.0 standard or 1.0 ? From the usb faq at www.usb.org How do I know if my PC supports USB? Where can I get USBReady? http://www.usb.org/faq/ans3#q1 |
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"JAD" a écrit dans le message news: ... "Zorro" wrote in message ... [...] 3- I've often had problems (slowing down, crash, freezing, ...) with Explorer, with large files and or large number of small files. Does anybody know an alternative to Explorer which may deal with such a problem ? Is DMA enabled on the hard drives? Do you defrag? what about IDE ribbon change. any memory errors..BSOD's? DMA is activated for both Primary master & Slave IDE disks. The IDE connected through the IDE/USB interface doesn't allow DMA configutation. No, I rarely defrag. I usually wait for the files needing to be transferred or backuped then I delete everything in the partition. I must recognize I never defragged the windows disk. Yes, the IDE ribbon needs to be changed. Not pretty good looking. Never I had any BSOD under 98SE. (I'm just crossing the fingers!). But again, problems occur only with big amount of files or big files (several hundreds MB). I believe that in case of bad contacts within the ribbon or connectors or even on a fragmented disk, it should happen whatever the file size or the number of files are. Perhaps I'm wrong ! THanks again |
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"Zorro" wrote in message ... I just installed a 80GB IDE hard disk into an USB 2.0 mobile case. Small files are pretty quickly copied but large ones 30 MB to 1 GB take an extremely long time for the operation from the ATA133 to the USB disk. I noted also that files look to be copied by couples in the same time. All USB peripherals are of course frozen during the operations. My OS is Win98SE. Questions: 1- How to determine if the USB ports are working following 2.0 standard or 1.0 ? Unless you've specifically installed USB 2.0 drivers, Win 98 supports only USB 1.0. Is this a home built pc or store bought? If it's home built, the specs for the USB ports will be with the motherboard manual. If it's store bought and it came with Win 98 - 99.9999% sure the hardware is USB 1.0 [that's all that was available during 98's reign] USB 1.0 with external hard drives should be in the 12M[ega]b[it]/s. So, a 30M[ega]B[yte] file should take ~ 20 secs. Is that what you're seeing? 2- How to proceed to determine if it's an hardware problem or a windows 98SE issue ? 3- I've often had problems (slowing down, crash, freezing, ...) with Explorer, with large files and or large number of small files, Anybody knows an alternative to Explorer which may deal with such a problem ? This should not happen. This sounds like a symptom of a problem in your system. As a starting point, are there any yellow or red marks in your Device Manager? And, just to confirm, have you done a spyware/malware scan recently? Lastly, could you provide the hardware specs for your pc? Processor, amount of RAM, pagefile size, hard disk size, how much free space on your hard drive? TIA |
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Thanks, please read the answers within the message body.
"fj" a écrit dans le message news: ... [...] Is this a home built pc or store bought? If it's home built, the specs for Answer: Home built: Asus A7n8X Deluxe Ver 1.4. Drivers were updated from Asus site & they're USB 2.0. USB 1.0 with external hard drives should be in the 12M[ega]b[it]/s. So, a 30M[ega]B[yte] file should take ~ 20 secs. Is that what you're seeing? Answer: Yes and No ! With small files and or small Qty of files 500 K to 1.5 MB (40 files for a total of 35 MB), the copy is quite instantaneous which should denotes a 2.0 USB port. Should I copy a bunch of 32 files for a total of 93 MB, the PC _freezes_ for 40 sec. And of course for a CD image (650 MB), it takes forever. The mouse appears alive a small part of the time. In this case for long periods 20 to 40 secs even the LAN traffic is disturbed. The Autoconnect windows is open on the gateway (the ADSL modem is connected to) showing no Internet traffic towards this computer. This should not happen. This sounds like a symptom of a problem in your system. As a starting point, are there any yellow or red marks in your Device Manager? Remark: Windows Explorer is very well known for its instability. Answer: No. No address or IRQ conflict. I checked it. And, just to confirm, have you done a spyware/malware scan recently? Answer: Yes, The cleaner is resident, AdAware is launched on demand. It was last weel with the last signatures. HiJackThis didn't reveal any peculiar trojan or similar. Zonealarm is running in the background. Antivirus is run on demand. MSconfig is launched on a regular basis and hi-level running processes are verified at least one a day. Lastly, could you provide the hardware specs for your pc? Processor, amount of RAM Answer: Asus A7N8X Deluxe Ver 1.4 w/ Athlon 2400+ RAM 512 MB Two IDE disks 40 GB each (MAxtor) and a CD burner (LG 52x24x52) Plus an SCSI adapter card (AHA 2940UW) driving two SCSI disks (Quantum Atlas 9.1 GB each), a CD-ROM drive (Plextor 40 max) and a scanner (Microtek ScanMaker+) not currently connected. LAN 100 network with 3 other computers all running under Win98SE + 1 running under Win 2000. A Canon printer on one USB port, a Logitech mouse on the second USB port and the USB/IDE drive on the third. Remain unused two front ports and a rear one. The video Card is a Leadtech including Video in, video out, two monitor capability as well as TV out. The USB modem is connected on my gateway and the internet connection is shared through the LAN. SATA & Firewire are not installed. pagefile size, hard disk size, how much free space on your hard drive? Answer: The swap file is on the primary disk. Its size is varying aroung 200 MB during current copy operations at least when the mouse lets me browse the disks! 1 GB remains free on this partition. As I told in a previous message, I'll try to install the drivers on a freshly installed Windows directory and I'll come back to the group. |
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"Zorro" wrote in message ... Thanks, please read the answers within the message body. "fj" a écrit dans le message news: ... [...] Is this a home built pc or store bought? If it's home built, the specs for Answer: Home built: Asus A7n8X Deluxe Ver 1.4. Drivers were updated from Asus site & they're USB 2.0. USB 1.0 with external hard drives should be in the 12M[ega]b[it]/s. So, a 30M[ega]B[yte] file should take ~ 20 secs. Is that what you're seeing? Answer: Yes and No ! With small files and or small Qty of files 500 K to 1.5 MB (40 files for a total of 35 MB), the copy is quite instantaneous which should denotes a 2.0 USB port. Should I copy a bunch of 32 files for a total of 93 MB, the PC _freezes_ for 40 sec. And of course for a CD image (650 MB), it takes forever. The mouse appears alive a small part of the time. In this case for long periods 20 to 40 secs even the LAN traffic is disturbed. The Autoconnect windows is open on the gateway (the ADSL modem is connected to) showing no Internet traffic towards this computer. My take is there's a conflict occuring. I've seen recommendations to try removing all the USB devices in Device Manager and reboot. Apparently this can clear up some USB conflicts. Since the USB modem seems to be involved, I would try disconnecting it to see if that made a difference. Also, does it make any difference whether you're copying from the internal IDE drives or from the SCSI ones? While unlikely an issue, I'd want to make sure I've tried different sets of files for the 'large' file set [i.e., 93MB]. It would also be interesting to know if a single 93MB file has the same problem. Perhaps as you can tell, I'm suggesting to 'poke around' to see if anything interesting occurs - just my way of trying to do problem determination. Good luck. This should not happen. This sounds like a symptom of a problem in your system. As a starting point, are there any yellow or red marks in your Device Manager? Remark: Windows Explorer is very well known for its instability. Answer: No. No address or IRQ conflict. I checked it. And, just to confirm, have you done a spyware/malware scan recently? Answer: Yes, The cleaner is resident, AdAware is launched on demand. It was last weel with the last signatures. HiJackThis didn't reveal any peculiar trojan or similar. Zonealarm is running in the background. Antivirus is run on demand. MSconfig is launched on a regular basis and hi-level running processes are verified at least one a day. Lastly, could you provide the hardware specs for your pc? Processor, amount of RAM Answer: Asus A7N8X Deluxe Ver 1.4 w/ Athlon 2400+ RAM 512 MB Two IDE disks 40 GB each (MAxtor) and a CD burner (LG 52x24x52) Plus an SCSI adapter card (AHA 2940UW) driving two SCSI disks (Quantum Atlas 9.1 GB each), a CD-ROM drive (Plextor 40 max) and a scanner (Microtek ScanMaker+) not currently connected. LAN 100 network with 3 other computers all running under Win98SE + 1 running under Win 2000. A Canon printer on one USB port, a Logitech mouse on the second USB port and the USB/IDE drive on the third. Remain unused two front ports and a rear one. The video Card is a Leadtech including Video in, video out, two monitor capability as well as TV out. The USB modem is connected on my gateway and the internet connection is shared through the LAN. SATA & Firewire are not installed. pagefile size, hard disk size, how much free space on your hard drive? Answer: The swap file is on the primary disk. Its size is varying aroung 200 MB during current copy operations at least when the mouse lets me browse the disks! 1 GB remains free on this partition. As I told in a previous message, I'll try to install the drivers on a freshly installed Windows directory and I'll come back to the group. |
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