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Running a M7NCD Motherboard with 400 FSB
Hi,
I got a Biostar M7NCD motherboard that says it can support 400Mhz FSB. I bought a new AMD 3200 XP+, 400FSB CPU and 512MB PC3200 Memory to go with it. I wanted to run it with FSB speed of 400Mhz. The default BIOS setup is for 200Mhz FSB and the BIOS menu does not let me change it to anything higher that 200Mhz FSB. What can I do to get it run at a higher FSB ? I did not see anything in the motherboard manuals. Please help. Thanks, Krutibas |
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I have that same board- and that same problem! I pretty much gave up-
decided that its just bluffing pmsl- you could try asking Biostar themselves? www.biostar.co.tw i think- please post back with any information Yours, Dalgibbard. "Krutibas Biswal" wrote in message om... Hi, I got a Biostar M7NCD motherboard that says it can support 400Mhz FSB. I bought a new AMD 3200 XP+, 400FSB CPU and 512MB PC3200 Memory to go with it. I wanted to run it with FSB speed of 400Mhz. The default BIOS setup is for 200Mhz FSB and the BIOS menu does not let me change it to anything higher that 200Mhz FSB. What can I do to get it run at a higher FSB ? I did not see anything in the motherboard manuals. Please help. Thanks, Krutibas |
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sorry that link again www.biostar.com.tw
Dalgibbard. "Dalgibbard" wrote in message .uk... I have that same board- and that same problem! I pretty much gave up- decided that its just bluffing pmsl- you could try asking Biostar themselves? www.biostar.co.tw i think- please post back with any information Yours, Dalgibbard. "Krutibas Biswal" wrote in message om... Hi, I got a Biostar M7NCD motherboard that says it can support 400Mhz FSB. I bought a new AMD 3200 XP+, 400FSB CPU and 512MB PC3200 Memory to go with it. I wanted to run it with FSB speed of 400Mhz. The default BIOS setup is for 200Mhz FSB and the BIOS menu does not let me change it to anything higher that 200Mhz FSB. What can I do to get it run at a higher FSB ? I did not see anything in the motherboard manuals. Please help. Thanks, Krutibas |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:47:12 +0000, Dalgibbard wrote:
"Krutibas Biswal" wrote in message om... Hi, I got a Biostar M7NCD motherboard that says it can support 400Mhz FSB. I bought a new AMD 3200 XP+, 400FSB CPU and 512MB PC3200 Memory to go with it. I wanted to run it with FSB speed of 400Mhz. The default BIOS setup is for 200Mhz FSB and the BIOS menu does not let me change it to anything higher that 200Mhz FSB. What can I do to get it run at a higher FSB ? I did not see anything in the motherboard manuals. Please help. I have that same board- and that same problem! I pretty much gave up- decided that its just bluffing pmsl- you could try asking Biostar themselves? www.biostar.co.tw i think- please post back with any information You don't have a problem. Your board supports a 400FSB (200MHz), not a 400MHz FSB. There aren't any boards that support a 400MHz FSB, and the 3200+ runs on a 200MHz FSB (real clock speed). -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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Thanks Wes. I realized that last night while trying to play with
the FSB numbers and reading stuff from the web. The 400FSB is a marketing hype that refers to FSB speed of 200Mhz DDR. Thanks, Krutibas Wes Newell wrote in message news:pan.2004.09.29.15.42.08.590095@TAKEOUTverizo n.net... On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:47:12 +0000, Dalgibbard wrote: "Krutibas Biswal" wrote in message om... Hi, I got a Biostar M7NCD motherboard that says it can support 400Mhz FSB. I bought a new AMD 3200 XP+, 400FSB CPU and 512MB PC3200 Memory to go with it. I wanted to run it with FSB speed of 400Mhz. The default BIOS setup is for 200Mhz FSB and the BIOS menu does not let me change it to anything higher that 200Mhz FSB. What can I do to get it run at a higher FSB ? I did not see anything in the motherboard manuals. Please help. I have that same board- and that same problem! I pretty much gave up- decided that its just bluffing pmsl- you could try asking Biostar themselves? www.biostar.co.tw i think- please post back with any information You don't have a problem. Your board supports a 400FSB (200MHz), not a 400MHz FSB. There aren't any boards that support a 400MHz FSB, and the 3200+ runs on a 200MHz FSB (real clock speed). |
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Krutibas Biswal wrote:
Thanks Wes. I realized that last night while trying to play with the FSB numbers and reading stuff from the web. The 400FSB is a marketing hype that refers to FSB speed of 200Mhz DDR. No, it is not "marketing hype." It's the data rate which, for DDR, is 400MHz on a 200MHz clocked bus because the data rate is twice the clock rate. That IS why it's called "Double Rata Rate" (DDR). Thanks, Krutibas Wes Newell wrote in message news:pan.2004.09.29.15.42.08.590095@TAKEOUTverizo n.net... On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:47:12 +0000, Dalgibbard wrote: "Krutibas Biswal" wrote in message e.com... Hi, I got a Biostar M7NCD motherboard that says it can support 400Mhz FSB. I bought a new AMD 3200 XP+, 400FSB CPU and 512MB PC3200 Memory to go with it. I wanted to run it with FSB speed of 400Mhz. The default BIOS setup is for 200Mhz FSB and the BIOS menu does not let me change it to anything higher that 200Mhz FSB. What can I do to get it run at a higher FSB ? I did not see anything in the motherboard manuals. Please help. I have that same board- and that same problem! I pretty much gave up- decided that its just bluffing pmsl- you could try asking Biostar themselves? www.biostar.co.tw i think- please post back with any information You don't have a problem. Your board supports a 400FSB (200MHz), not a 400MHz FSB. There aren't any boards that support a 400MHz FSB, and the 3200+ runs on a 200MHz FSB (real clock speed). |
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David Maynard wrote:
Krutibas Biswal wrote: Thanks Wes. I realized that last night while trying to play with the FSB numbers and reading stuff from the web. The 400FSB is a marketing hype that refers to FSB speed of 200Mhz DDR. No, it is not "marketing hype." It's the data rate which, for DDR, is 400MHz on a 200MHz clocked bus because the data rate is twice the clock rate. Oh dear, here we go again ... anyone taking bets on how many posts this thread will finish up on? [...] -- Michael Brown www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:38:00 -0500, David Maynard wrote:
Krutibas Biswal wrote: Thanks Wes. I realized that last night while trying to play with the FSB numbers and reading stuff from the web. The 400FSB is a marketing hype that refers to FSB speed of 200Mhz DDR. No, it is not "marketing hype." It's the data rate which, for DDR, is 400MHz on a 200MHz clocked bus because the data rate is twice the clock rate. That IS why it's called "Double Rata Rate" (DDR). Data rates are measured in throughput, not MHz. Data rates deserve and do have their own measuring systems, actually there's two, bps and Bps, and it's not MHz. So if you don't want to call it marketing hype, what would you call it? The inflated number serves absolutely no purpose except to get a bigger number. How about marketing BS or just plain BS.:-) Now before you reply, consider that by definition, bus speeds are measured by their clock speeds, not data rates. If one wants to define the data rate, a simple 200MHz DDR says it's Double Data rate. Still it's rather worthless information unless one knows the number of data lines and does the math to figure out the actual bandwidth of the bus. So being worthless, what purpose other than marketing does it serve? -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:38:37 +1200, Michael Brown wrote:
David Maynard wrote: Krutibas Biswal wrote: Thanks Wes. I realized that last night while trying to play with the FSB numbers and reading stuff from the web. The 400FSB is a marketing hype that refers to FSB speed of 200Mhz DDR. No, it is not "marketing hype." It's the data rate which, for DDR, is 400MHz on a 200MHz clocked bus because the data rate is twice the clock rate. Oh dear, here we go again ... anyone taking bets on how many posts this thread will finish up on? [...] As many as it takes.;-) -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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Wes Newell wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:38:00 -0500, David Maynard wrote: Krutibas Biswal wrote: Thanks Wes. I realized that last night while trying to play with the FSB numbers and reading stuff from the web. The 400FSB is a marketing hype that refers to FSB speed of 200Mhz DDR. No, it is not "marketing hype." It's the data rate which, for DDR, is 400MHz on a 200MHz clocked bus because the data rate is twice the clock rate. That IS why it's called "Double Rata Rate" (DDR). Data rates are measured in throughput, not MHz. Clearly an opinion of yours that is not shared by the vast majority of memory, processor, and motherboard manufacturers. You seem to be under the false impression that the only thing 'Hz' applies to is an electronic wave form. Data rates deserve and do have their own measuring systems, actually there's two, bps and Bps, and it's not MHz. Obviously, by overwhelming usage it is as well. So if you don't want to call it marketing hype, what would you call it? The data rate on the bus. Which, I would argue, is rather intuitive from "double data rate." The inflated number serves absolutely no purpose except to get a bigger number. How about marketing BS or just plain BS.:-) The apparent conclusion from that declaration would be that you don't understand the meaning of double data rate, or quad pumped, since you see 'no purpose' to it. Now before you reply, consider that by definition, bus speeds are measured by their clock speeds, not data rates. Any by who's definition would that be? Not to mention you, yourself, claim that kind of 'definition' is 'worthless' in the very next two sentences. If one wants to define the data rate, a simple 200MHz DDR says it's Double Data rate. Still it's rather worthless information unless one knows the number of data lines and does the math to figure out the actual bandwidth of the bus. You might as well be arguing that clock speed is worthless information since it shares exactly the same lack of detail. And, if you are, then your 'complaint' goes to the first days of computer technology; not 'DDR' terminology. Your argument boils down to the logic absurdum of saying "200 x 2" has meaning but that the result of the equation "400" does not. So being worthless, what purpose other than marketing does it serve? It's only worthless to those who don't know the meaning and instead insist on claiming it's 'marketing hype'. The fact of the matter is it's a logical, natural progression of, and the most consistent with, typical industry terminology. |
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