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What am I doing wrong?
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 17:09:52 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Turing wrote: John McGaw wrote: Turing wrote: I am trying to fire up this W7 PC to eventually use on a PS/2 KVM. The PC has only one PS/2 connection (plus a few USBs of course). I want to use a keyboard and a mouse which both are PS/2. I tried using both the keyboard and mouse one at a time and both work during bootup. So they both seem to work. Even in W7 altho still only one at a time. I have to make things work with both mouse and keyboard connect of course. I then tried using both connected to a Y connector which changes the connections to the single PC USB input connection. Both mouse and keyboard still work during boot. However, when I get to W7, neither work. Funny, since both work when alone. Even when using the Y connector. So the mouse, keyboard, Y connector, and PC USB port all seem to be good individually, but not together, which I seem to need. No guarantees: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyb...dp/B000067SLZ/ There are cheaper alternatives availlble. That looks like mine except the white end on my 'y' is USB. Are you saying that reducing the keyboard and mouse PS/2 connectors down to one PC/2 connector will work when mine won't? That wud mean the problem is in the conversion from PS/2 to USB wouldn't it? When converting between hardware protocols (USB and PS/2), you need an *active* adapter, not just a bunch of wires. For some keyboards, they do the conversion inside them; that is, they have the hardware protocol conversion logic. Lots of keyboards do not as they as designed solely for USB or PS/2 but not both. Did your USB keyboard come with a PS/2 adapter? No, not did you find or buy one separately and try to use with the keyboard but instead did the keyboard come packaged with its own USB-to-PS/2 adapter? That would indicate (but not guarantee) the keyboard contains the hardware protocol conversion logic. Keyboard can come in the PS/2-only variety, USB-only, or USB-PS/2. It depends on the logic inside the keyboard. You did not mention your brand and model of keyboard. What brand and model of keyboard do you have? If it has a USB end on its cord, and unless you specifically looked for a USB-PS/2 keyboard, it is highly likely to be USB-only. To connect to the PS/2 port on your computer, you need: - PS/2-only keyboard (and mouse). - USB-PS/2 keyboard and use its USB-to-PS/2 adapter. - USB-only keyboard and an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter to convert hardware protocols (USB to PS/2). The Y-adapter that Paul mentioned is just splitting the wires from a PS/2 port to a couple of PS/2 ends. No hardware protocol conversion is required because both ends are PS/2. Some examples of an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter a https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ps%2F2+adapter wow thanx for the insight. Al |
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:06:51 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 17:09:52 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: Turing wrote: John McGaw wrote: Turing wrote: I am trying to fire up this W7 PC to eventually use on a PS/2 KVM. The PC has only one PS/2 connection (plus a few USBs of course). I want to use a keyboard and a mouse which both are PS/2. I tried using both the keyboard and mouse one at a time and both work during bootup. So they both seem to work. Even in W7 altho still only one at a time. I have to make things work with both mouse and keyboard connect of course. I then tried using both connected to a Y connector which changes the connections to the single PC USB input connection. Both mouse and keyboard still work during boot. However, when I get to W7, neither work. Funny, since both work when alone. Even when using the Y connector. So the mouse, keyboard, Y connector, and PC USB port all seem to be good individually, but not together, which I seem to need. No guarantees: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyb...dp/B000067SLZ/ There are cheaper alternatives availlble. That looks like mine except the white end on my 'y' is USB. Are you saying that reducing the keyboard and mouse PS/2 connectors down to one PC/2 connector will work when mine won't? That wud mean the problem is in the conversion from PS/2 to USB wouldn't it? When converting between hardware protocols (USB and PS/2), you need an *active* adapter, not just a bunch of wires. For some keyboards, they do the conversion inside them; that is, they have the hardware protocol conversion logic. Lots of keyboards do not as they as designed solely for USB or PS/2 but not both. Did your USB keyboard come with a PS/2 adapter? No, not did you find or buy one separately and try to use with the keyboard but instead did the keyboard come packaged with its own USB-to-PS/2 adapter? That would indicate (but not guarantee) the keyboard contains the hardware protocol conversion logic. Keyboard can come in the PS/2-only variety, USB-only, or USB-PS/2. It depends on the logic inside the keyboard. You did not mention your brand and model of keyboard. What brand and model of keyboard do you have? If it has a USB end on its cord, and unless you specifically looked for a USB-PS/2 keyboard, it is highly likely to be USB-only. To connect to the PS/2 port on your computer, you need: - PS/2-only keyboard (and mouse). - USB-PS/2 keyboard and use its USB-to-PS/2 adapter. - USB-only keyboard and an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter to convert hardware protocols (USB to PS/2). The Y-adapter that Paul mentioned is just splitting the wires from a PS/2 port to a couple of PS/2 ends. No hardware protocol conversion is required because both ends are PS/2. Some examples of an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter a https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ps%2F2+adapter wow thanx for the insight. Al My Y-splitter is only labled wih a hard to read 'USB TO PS2' and has one end wiith USB and the other end with two PS2s (purple & green). It has a 'box' in the middle wherein the 'split' occurs. Does presence of a 'box' mean it is active? Probably not, or is that how I can tell it is 'active'? How does one tell the differeence? Think I can use it to try to go PS2 to USB? Just wondering. IOW, are these things reversible? I look at your suggested URL and see Y's with and without a 'box'. And I thought this was going to be simple! I have a PS/2 (ATEN CS-114A) KVM, and one PC with no PS2 ports, just several USBs, and one PC with one green PS2 port and several USBs. Maybe I can't make this combo work? What do you think? Thanks Al |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 05:49:33 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:06:51 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 17:09:52 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: Turing wrote: John McGaw wrote: Turing wrote: I am trying to fire up this W7 PC to eventually use on a PS/2 KVM. The PC has only one PS/2 connection (plus a few USBs of course). I want to use a keyboard and a mouse which both are PS/2. I tried using both the keyboard and mouse one at a time and both work during bootup. So they both seem to work. Even in W7 altho still only one at a time. I have to make things work with both mouse and keyboard connect of course. I then tried using both connected to a Y connector which changes the connections to the single PC USB input connection. Both mouse and keyboard still work during boot. However, when I get to W7, neither work. Funny, since both work when alone. Even when using the Y connector. So the mouse, keyboard, Y connector, and PC USB port all seem to be good individually, but not together, which I seem to need. No guarantees: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyb...dp/B000067SLZ/ There are cheaper alternatives availlble. That looks like mine except the white end on my 'y' is USB. Are you saying that reducing the keyboard and mouse PS/2 connectors down to one PC/2 connector will work when mine won't? That wud mean the problem is in the conversion from PS/2 to USB wouldn't it? When converting between hardware protocols (USB and PS/2), you need an *active* adapter, not just a bunch of wires. For some keyboards, they do the conversion inside them; that is, they have the hardware protocol conversion logic. Lots of keyboards do not as they as designed solely for USB or PS/2 but not both. Did your USB keyboard come with a PS/2 adapter? No, not did you find or buy one separately and try to use with the keyboard but instead did the keyboard come packaged with its own USB-to-PS/2 adapter? That would indicate (but not guarantee) the keyboard contains the hardware protocol conversion logic. Keyboard can come in the PS/2-only variety, USB-only, or USB-PS/2. It depends on the logic inside the keyboard. You did not mention your brand and model of keyboard. What brand and model of keyboard do you have? If it has a USB end on its cord, and unless you specifically looked for a USB-PS/2 keyboard, it is highly likely to be USB-only. To connect to the PS/2 port on your computer, you need: - PS/2-only keyboard (and mouse). - USB-PS/2 keyboard and use its USB-to-PS/2 adapter. - USB-only keyboard and an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter to convert hardware protocols (USB to PS/2). The Y-adapter that Paul mentioned is just splitting the wires from a PS/2 port to a couple of PS/2 ends. No hardware protocol conversion is required because both ends are PS/2. Some examples of an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter a https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ps%2F2+adapter wow thanx for the insight. Al My Y-splitter is only labled wih a hard to read 'USB TO PS2' and has one end wiith USB and the other end with two PS2s (purple & green). It has a 'box' in the middle wherein the 'split' occurs. Does presence of a 'box' mean it is active? Probably not, or is that how I can tell it is 'active'? How does one tell the differeence? Think I can use it to try to go PS2 to USB? Just wondering. IOW, are these things reversible? I look at your suggested URL and see Y's with and without a 'box'. And I thought this was going to be simple! I have a PS/2 (ATEN CS-114A) KVM, and one PC with no PS2 ports, just several USBs, and one PC with one green PS2 port and several USBs. Maybe I can't make this combo work? What do you think? Thanks Al Damn! I thought to try to verify that the mice & keyoards I have all work when connected directly to the PC which has only one PS/2 port, purple & green. One keyboard at a time. They do. I then put one keyboard PS/2 into my Y-connector and the latter to a PC USB port. It worked too. So the keyboard is good on that computer, as is the Y. I then piped the keyboard PS2 through the KVM. NEITHER THE MOUSE OR KEYBOARD WORKED! So it wud seem that I cannot use this Aten 4-port CS-114A KVM for some reason. Strange, because the KVM switches the monitor to both PCs quite nicely. Damn! Or did I already say that. Al |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:21:01 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 05:49:33 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:06:51 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 17:09:52 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: Turing wrote: John McGaw wrote: Turing wrote: I am trying to fire up this W7 PC to eventually use on a PS/2 KVM. The PC has only one PS/2 connection (plus a few USBs of course). I want to use a keyboard and a mouse which both are PS/2. I tried using both the keyboard and mouse one at a time and both work during bootup. So they both seem to work. Even in W7 altho still only one at a time. I have to make things work with both mouse and keyboard connect of course. I then tried using both connected to a Y connector which changes the connections to the single PC USB input connection. Both mouse and keyboard still work during boot. However, when I get to W7, neither work. Funny, since both work when alone. Even when using the Y connector. So the mouse, keyboard, Y connector, and PC USB port all seem to be good individually, but not together, which I seem to need. No guarantees: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyb...dp/B000067SLZ/ There are cheaper alternatives availlble. That looks like mine except the white end on my 'y' is USB. Are you saying that reducing the keyboard and mouse PS/2 connectors down to one PC/2 connector will work when mine won't? That wud mean the problem is in the conversion from PS/2 to USB wouldn't it? When converting between hardware protocols (USB and PS/2), you need an *active* adapter, not just a bunch of wires. For some keyboards, they do the conversion inside them; that is, they have the hardware protocol conversion logic. Lots of keyboards do not as they as designed solely for USB or PS/2 but not both. Did your USB keyboard come with a PS/2 adapter? No, not did you find or buy one separately and try to use with the keyboard but instead did the keyboard come packaged with its own USB-to-PS/2 adapter? That would indicate (but not guarantee) the keyboard contains the hardware protocol conversion logic. Keyboard can come in the PS/2-only variety, USB-only, or USB-PS/2. It depends on the logic inside the keyboard. You did not mention your brand and model of keyboard. What brand and model of keyboard do you have? If it has a USB end on its cord, and unless you specifically looked for a USB-PS/2 keyboard, it is highly likely to be USB-only. To connect to the PS/2 port on your computer, you need: - PS/2-only keyboard (and mouse). - USB-PS/2 keyboard and use its USB-to-PS/2 adapter. - USB-only keyboard and an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter to convert hardware protocols (USB to PS/2). The Y-adapter that Paul mentioned is just splitting the wires from a PS/2 port to a couple of PS/2 ends. No hardware protocol conversion is required because both ends are PS/2. Some examples of an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter a https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ps%2F2+adapter wow thanx for the insight. Al My Y-splitter is only labled wih a hard to read 'USB TO PS2' and has one end wiith USB and the other end with two PS2s (purple & green). It has a 'box' in the middle wherein the 'split' occurs. Does presence of a 'box' mean it is active? Probably not, or is that how I can tell it is 'active'? How does one tell the differeence? Think I can use it to try to go PS2 to USB? Just wondering. IOW, are these things reversible? I look at your suggested URL and see Y's with and without a 'box'. And I thought this was going to be simple! I have a PS/2 (ATEN CS-114A) KVM, and one PC with no PS2 ports, just several USBs, and one PC with one green PS2 port and several USBs. Maybe I can't make this combo work? What do you think? Thanks Al Damn! I thought to try to verify that the mice & keyoards I have all work when connected directly to the PC which has only one PS/2 port, purple & green. One keyboard at a time. They do. I then put one keyboard PS/2 into my Y-connector and the latter to a PC USB port. It worked too. So the keyboard is good on that computer, as is the Y. I then piped the keyboard PS2 through the KVM. NEITHER THE MOUSE OR KEYBOARD WORKED! So it wud seem that I cannot use this Aten 4-port CS-114A KVM for some reason. Strange, because the KVM switches the monitor to both PCs quite nicely. Damn! Or did I already say that. Al Me again. I have wondering if I have the KVM right. Having formerly had a IOGEAR KVM for years which blew, I thought I should be able to handle this ATEN KVM blindfolded. Still think so, but the cryptic manuals I find confuse me. Anyone know of a better ATEN manual source than I find using a Google search? Thanks Al |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:21:01 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 05:49:33 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:06:51 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 17:09:52 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: Turing wrote: John McGaw wrote: Turing wrote: I am trying to fire up this W7 PC to eventually use on a PS/2 KVM. The PC has only one PS/2 connection (plus a few USBs of course). I want to use a keyboard and a mouse which both are PS/2. I tried using both the keyboard and mouse one at a time and both work during bootup. So they both seem to work. Even in W7 altho still only one at a time. I have to make things work with both mouse and keyboard connect of course. I then tried using both connected to a Y connector which changes the connections to the single PC USB input connection. Both mouse and keyboard still work during boot. However, when I get to W7, neither work. Funny, since both work when alone. Even when using the Y connector. So the mouse, keyboard, Y connector, and PC USB port all seem to be good individually, but not together, which I seem to need. No guarantees: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Keyb...dp/B000067SLZ/ There are cheaper alternatives availlble. That looks like mine except the white end on my 'y' is USB. Are you saying that reducing the keyboard and mouse PS/2 connectors down to one PC/2 connector will work when mine won't? That wud mean the problem is in the conversion from PS/2 to USB wouldn't it? When converting between hardware protocols (USB and PS/2), you need an *active* adapter, not just a bunch of wires. For some keyboards, they do the conversion inside them; that is, they have the hardware protocol conversion logic. Lots of keyboards do not as they as designed solely for USB or PS/2 but not both. Did your USB keyboard come with a PS/2 adapter? No, not did you find or buy one separately and try to use with the keyboard but instead did the keyboard come packaged with its own USB-to-PS/2 adapter? That would indicate (but not guarantee) the keyboard contains the hardware protocol conversion logic. Keyboard can come in the PS/2-only variety, USB-only, or USB-PS/2. It depends on the logic inside the keyboard. You did not mention your brand and model of keyboard. What brand and model of keyboard do you have? If it has a USB end on its cord, and unless you specifically looked for a USB-PS/2 keyboard, it is highly likely to be USB-only. To connect to the PS/2 port on your computer, you need: - PS/2-only keyboard (and mouse). - USB-PS/2 keyboard and use its USB-to-PS/2 adapter. - USB-only keyboard and an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter to convert hardware protocols (USB to PS/2). The Y-adapter that Paul mentioned is just splitting the wires from a PS/2 port to a couple of PS/2 ends. No hardware protocol conversion is required because both ends are PS/2. Some examples of an active USB-to-PS/2 adapter a https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ps%2F2+adapter wow thanx for the insight. Al My Y-splitter is only labled wih a hard to read 'USB TO PS2' and has one end wiith USB and the other end with two PS2s (purple & green). It has a 'box' in the middle wherein the 'split' occurs. Does presence of a 'box' mean it is active? Probably not, or is that how I can tell it is 'active'? How does one tell the differeence? Think I can use it to try to go PS2 to USB? Just wondering. IOW, are these things reversible? I look at your suggested URL and see Y's with and without a 'box'. And I thought this was going to be simple! I have a PS/2 (ATEN CS-114A) KVM, and one PC with no PS2 ports, just several USBs, and one PC with one green PS2 port and several USBs. Maybe I can't make this combo work? What do you think? Thanks Al Damn! I thought to try to verify that the mice & keyoards I have all work when connected directly to the PC which has only one PS/2 port, purple & green. One keyboard at a time. They do. I then put one keyboard PS/2 into my Y-connector and the latter to a PC USB port. It worked too. So the keyboard is good on that computer, as is the Y. I then piped the keyboard PS2 through the KVM. NEITHER THE MOUSE OR KEYBOARD WORKED! So it wud seem that I cannot use this Aten 4-port CS-114A KVM for some reason. Strange, because the KVM switches the monitor to both PCs quite nicely. Damn! Or did I already say that. Al Me again. I have wondering if I have the KVM right. Having formerly had a IOGEAR KVM for years which blew, I thought I should be able to handle this ATEN KVM blindfolded. Still think so, but the cryptic manuals I find confuse me. Anyone know of a better ATEN manual source than I find using a Google search? Thanks Al This is the CS-114A KVM. https://assets.aten.com/product/manual/cs_114a.pdf That doesn't have a USB port on it. Am I missing something ? How are you able to plug your active Y adapter into the side with the five interfaces ??? Both the gender and direction of dataflow would be wrong for that to work. I'm confused. Is this some other KVM you're testing on, one with USB ? Paul |
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Turing wrote:
find confuse me. Anyone know of a better ATEN manual source than I find using a Google search? I gave you a online copy of ATEN's manual in one of your other threads. |
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Turing wrote:
Damn! I thought to try to verify that the mice & keyoards I have all work when connected directly to the PC which has only one PS/2 port, purple & green. One keyboard at a time. They do. I then put one keyboard PS/2 into my Y-connector and the latter to a PC USB port. It worked too. So the keyboard is good on that computer, as is the Y. I then piped the keyboard PS2 through the KVM. NEITHER THE MOUSE OR KEYBOARD WORKED! So it wud seem that I cannot use this Aten 4-port CS-114A KVM for some reason. Strange, because the KVM switches the monitor to both PCs quite nicely. Damn! Or did I already say that. Al Under a nym of "Piper" (who signs outside of a sigblock as "Pete", as in Pete[r] Piper) in your prior thread titled "ATEN CS-104 KVM switch need power cord" (Message-ID = ), you got help on finding an AC/DC power adapter for this KVM. Piper's headers: Path: ....!news.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad!fx38.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Organization: Peter Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: Then you nymshifted to "Turing" (who signs outside of a sigblock as "Al") in your prior thread titled "Need cables or ATEN CS104 4-port KVM" (Message-ID = ), you had other problems with this KVM. Turing's headers: Path: ....!news.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad!fx33.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Organization: Turing Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: You didn't have the power adapter. You didn't have the cabling. Apparently you didn't have the manual (and others found one for you). And you are still having problems with that KVM you got suckered into an impulse buy at a garage sale or swap meet that was sold as-is. I don't remember if you ever identified the computer with the PS/2 port and also identified the keyboard (which might be a USB-PS/2 unit) but then I'm not wandering through your other threads about evergrowing problems with this same KVM to find out. https://http2.mlstatic.com/master-vi...0_042018-F.jpg From that pic, the KVM probably only handles PS/2 or DIN5 keyboards and PS/2 or serial mice. If a PS/2-only keyboard doesn't work with this KVM (not a USB-PS/2 keyboard using an adapter) then trash the garage-sale KVM and get a new one. Since you have USB ports in your computer, just move ahead to a KVM that works with USB devices (keyboard and mouse) and get new keyboards and mice. You've spent at least 15 days here getting help, and probably more before that, trying to get this garage-sale or swap-meet junk to work trying to save, what, about $20 for the cost of a new PS/2 KVM? How much did the power adapter cost? How much did those cables cost? And you still cannot get the KVM to work. Periphery replacement isn't going to fix the box itself. Example of a new unit but with old PS/2 support: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIAET87AA7690 $27 new, with cables, power adapter, PS/2 support, and even supports switching of audio. That's just an example but looks discontinued (and why I mentioned moving forward to USB input devices since your computer has USB ports). Some other KVMs are under $20 but have no audio support. Check the video resolution the KVM supports is equal to or greater than your video card's maximum resolution or whatever max resolution you will use. That you're a nymshifter (Piper signed as Pete and Turing signed as Al) puts me off from continuing this disjoint discussion across multiple threads. There's something suspicious about someone who spends more money on a power adapter and cabling to ressurect a garbage-bin unit than to buy a new KVM that would work and warranteed. Bye bye. |
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VanguardLH wrote:
That you're a nymshifter (Piper signed as Pete and Turing signed as Al) puts me off from continuing this disjoint discussion across multiple threads. ... Oh oh, I see you have other nyms here, as well. Nymshifters = trolls. |
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VanguardLH wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: That you're a nymshifter (Piper signed as Pete and Turing signed as Al) puts me off from continuing this disjoint discussion across multiple threads. ... Oh oh, I see you have other nyms here, as well. Nymshifters = trolls. |
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