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Old June 19th 10, 04:56 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?

What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.

Thanks,
JimR
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Old June 19th 10, 05:13 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?

JimR wrote:

What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be in consumer packaging?


Just some basics like screws and a jumper diagram usually.

Is it just the packaging.


Pretty much.

For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.


Yeah, its no use to you.


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Old June 19th 10, 07:35 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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JimR wrote:

What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.


They're mechanically and electronically identical, but Seagate retail-
boxed drives sold in the US are usually warranted for 5 years, while
their bare drives are covered for only 3 years.

BTW if you buy a drive, immediately save a copy of the warranty and
warranty expiration date at the manufacturer's website because they
may change the terms later on. Samsung did that with some Spinpoint
F1 drives sold in 2008 and chopped 2 years off the 5-year warranties
and required returning the broken drives to Samsung rather than to the
dealer. Samsung has lied about this.
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Old June 19th 10, 05:14 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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JimR wrote:
What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.


No difference in the drive, however you mau get different
warranty periods and you may get mounting material and/or
extra software with the drive in a box. Usually not worth
the price difference.

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Old June 19th 10, 08:32 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?

In article , JimR wrote:
What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.

Thanks,
JimR

Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you. In
other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall
store, you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup
their drives. If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of
the manufacturer.

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Old June 20th 10, 01:15 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Ian D[_2_]
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?


"GMAN" wrote in message
...
In article , JimR
wrote:
What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.

Thanks,
JimR

Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.
In
other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell
computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip
mall
store, you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup
their drives. If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full
warranty of
the manufacturer.


Actually, it's sort of the opposite. For warranty, it's best to buy
an OEM drive. Taking Western Digital for instance, the OEM
drives usually have 3 to 5 year warrantees. The same drive in
a retail package from a big box retailer will only have a one year
warranty. In both cases the warranty is directly through WD,
as it is for the other HD manufacturers. Also, an HD warranty
is usually based on the date of manufacturer, with a bit extra for
distribution channel time.

A drive bought from a big box may have been sitting on the shelf,
or in their warehouse for months, whereas OEM drives from small
computer stores are usually current stock. Any OEM drives I've
bought from smaller retailers have usually been manufactured
within the preceeding two months. Smaller operations usually
carry minimal stock, and reorder frequently as needed.

WD has a utility on their sit where you can enter a drive's serial
number to get the warranty expiry date.


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Old June 20th 10, 01:31 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Rod Speed
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?

GMAN wrote
JimR wrote


What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that
appears to be in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging.
For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.


Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.


Hardly ever, actually.

In other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall store,
you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup their drives.


And that hardly ever is the case.

If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of the manufacturer.


You do with bare drives most of the time too.


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Old June 20th 10, 08:36 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
GMAN[_13_]
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?

In article , "Ian D" wrote:

"GMAN" wrote in message
...
In article , JimR
wrote:
What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.

Thanks,
JimR

Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.
In
other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell
computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip
mall
store, you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup
their drives. If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full
warranty of
the manufacturer.


Actually, it's sort of the opposite. For warranty, it's best to buy
an OEM drive. Taking Western Digital for instance, the OEM
drives usually have 3 to 5 year warrantees. The same drive in
a retail package from a big box retailer will only have a one year
warranty. In both cases the warranty is directly through WD,
as it is for the other HD manufacturers. Also, an HD warranty
is usually based on the date of manufacturer, with a bit extra for
distribution channel time.


NO, in the USA, the retail boxed drive is more likely to have a larger
warranty. If the drive is sold at a small reseller, in just a plain plastic
pouch, THEY usually have NO manufacturers warranty. Most say right on the
drive that they are only warranted thru the rebuilder.




A drive bought from a big box may have been sitting on the shelf,
or in their warehouse for months, whereas OEM drives from small
computer stores are usually current stock. Any OEM drives I've
bought from smaller retailers have usually been manufactured
within the preceeding two months. Smaller operations usually
carry minimal stock, and reorder frequently as needed.


Read me what the label says on that drive, i bet it says its only warranted
thru the reseller.

When companies like Dell, HP and others buy theese drives for their systems,
THEY are then the ones who warranty them. Seagate or WD wont cover them.


WD has a utility on their sit where you can enter a drive's serial
number to get the warranty expiry date.



And in certain states like Utah, the warranty starts when the drive or product
is bought. They cant say that you have lost 6 months off the warranty just
because it has sat there that long at Best Buy.
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Old June 20th 10, 08:54 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
GMAN[_13_]
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?

In article , "Rod Speed" wrote:
GMAN wrote
JimR wrote


What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that
appears to be in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging.
For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.


Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.


Hardly ever, actually.


Exactly, many require you to buy a stupid warranty to cover the drive if at
all.


That is what this reseller does. He is a cheap ass ripoff artist
http://www.ebccomputers.com/



In other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell

computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall

store,
you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup their

drives.

And that hardly ever is the case.


The reseller is under no requirement by say Seagate to cover the drives that
were meant to be sold only to rebuilders.

I had a 750GB Seagate drive go south and EBC computers in Salt Lake City would
not replace it, And seagate said it wouldnt either due to it being a reseller
drive, and not retail packaged.


If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of the

manufacturer.

You do with bare drives most of the time too.


Bull **** look at seagates own FAQ at the URL below for the proof.


Most drive manufacturers will not honor the warranty unless it was a built for
retail drive. You must in this situation return the drive thru the small
reseller you bought it from.

Most the time these bare drives in static bags were meant for system
integrators to build into their pc systems and as such have no warranty thru
Seagate to the end home customer.




http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/cr...DocId=202271#6

Q. Why do I have to go back to my place of purchase to return a drive that was
sold as a system component?

A. Seagate sells many drives to direct customers who use them as a computer
system component. In these cases, the Limited Warranty only extends to
Seagate's direct customers and is not assignable or transferable. See
AnswerID: 169851 for more information.




http://support.wdc.com/warranty/poli...pe=res&lang=en

Warranty Policy and Limitations


No limited warranty is provided by WD unless your WD Product ("Product") was
purchased from an authorized distributor or authorized reseller. Distributors
may sell Products to resellers who then sell Products to end users. Please see
below for warranty information or obtaining service. No warranty service is
provided unless the Product is returned to an authorized return center in the
region (warranty regions are identified as Canada, U.S.A., Latin America,
Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia Pacific, India and Thailand) where the
Product was first shipped by WD, which may have regional specific warranty
implications.

If your Product was purchased as a component integrated within a system by a
system manufacturer, no limited warranty is provided by WD. Please contact the
place of purchase or the system manufacturer directly for warranty service.
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Old June 21st 10, 04:28 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Ian D[_2_]
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Default Bare Drive vs. clothed?


"GMAN" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ian D"
wrote:

"GMAN" wrote in message
...
In article , JimR
wrote:
What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.

Thanks,
JimR
Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to
you.
In
other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell
computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip
mall
store, you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont
backup
their drives. If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full
warranty of
the manufacturer.


Actually, it's sort of the opposite. For warranty, it's best to buy
an OEM drive. Taking Western Digital for instance, the OEM
drives usually have 3 to 5 year warrantees. The same drive in
a retail package from a big box retailer will only have a one year
warranty. In both cases the warranty is directly through WD,
as it is for the other HD manufacturers. Also, an HD warranty
is usually based on the date of manufacturer, with a bit extra for
distribution channel time.


NO, in the USA, the retail boxed drive is more likely to have a larger
warranty. If the drive is sold at a small reseller, in just a plain
plastic
pouch, THEY usually have NO manufacturers warranty. Most say right on the
drive that they are only warranted thru the rebuilder.




A drive bought from a big box may have been sitting on the shelf,
or in their warehouse for months, whereas OEM drives from small
computer stores are usually current stock. Any OEM drives I've
bought from smaller retailers have usually been manufactured
within the preceeding two months. Smaller operations usually
carry minimal stock, and reorder frequently as needed.


Read me what the label says on that drive, i bet it says its only
warranted
thru the reseller.

When companies like Dell, HP and others buy theese drives for their
systems,
THEY are then the ones who warranty them. Seagate or WD wont cover them.


WD has a utility on their sit where you can enter a drive's serial
number to get the warranty expiry date.



And in certain states like Utah, the warranty starts when the drive or
product
is bought. They cant say that you have lost 6 months off the warranty just
because it has sat there that long at Best Buy.



Western Digital drives are warranteed directly by them. If
you have a problem with a WD drive, you go to their website
and get an RMA number. You send the drive to them, and
when they confirm it's defective, they send you a new, or
refurbed drive. At the low cost of drives, a lot of users don't
bother with all this, and just buy a new drive. The only drive
I've ever had fail was a WD 2.5GB that failed after 12 years.

I just noticed that the newer WD retail drives, such as the 1TB
Caviar Black have the same 5 year warranty as the OEM. As
far as sitting on the shelf at a store is concerned, the full warranty
will still most likely be available, as the built in lead time can be
up to six months. I just bought a WD drive that has a 5 1/2 year
warrantee period from the date of manufacture, and that was only
one month prior to the date of purchase, so I have 5 months
extra warranty.


 




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