New Boxen problem; any ideas?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:17:29 -0400, "Meat--Plow" wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:10:51 +0100, Mimic dev@null,wrote:

Mimic wrote:

Just built my new box and its running ridiculously slow. just over 2mins
to boot to the login prompt then a further 1min 20 to get to the
desktop, its a new install of xp pro. The spec is as follows, a couple
things, it has dumped after a bugcheck a couple times, last time i had
this it was due to overclocked ram. I manually set this ram to its speed
with no joy. Also, im running it off a 300w PSU [i have a 400 on the
way] atm, which I know is causing other problems [reboots when i turn on
the light tubes hehe]. But that wouldnt be the cause of this would it ?

Anyway, any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated as this is sposed to be
the hype box that is replacing my fast, stable, 4yo duron800 machine :P

P4 2.8 Prescott [1mb L2 cache, 800/HT] @ 50 deg C
512 DDR 2700 [333]
Asus Board, supporting Prescott, HT and 800fsb @ 27 deg C
256mb Geforce4 gfx card
1 Zalman Fan controller
1 multifunctional docking bay [mem cards, usb, f/wire etc]
1 DVDrom
1 DVDRW
3 Case fans
5 inline led's.
[the tubes are always turned off atm]

If you need the exact part specs just shout.

thx


sorry, and a 40GB hdd @ 5400, and a 80GB hdd @ 7200 :P

New install of XP should boot up faster than that even if you're booting from
the 4500 rpm drive. Leave the RAM to be configured by SPD. Look in the system
and application event viewer for any red X's. That 300 watt supply is right on
the edge of not being adequate because that system can draw 300 watts when the
Prescott is thumping. I know, I have one on an Intel mobo.

Cause gosh knows the CPU is gonna be clockin at full power during the boot up you ****ing MORON.

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filesiteguy wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:09:45 +0100, Mimic dev@null pecked out:


Just built my new box and its running ridiculously slow. just over 2mins
to boot to the login prompt then a further 1min 20 to get to the



If you want.... you could build me one, too, and I'll test it for you
at my house. Don't worry about a return address - I can post responses
by email.


kai
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
g2004 at g3prod.cotse.net

hehe

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:23:09 +0100, Mimic dev@null wrote:


Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:


On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:31:19 -0500, The Seventh Sign wrote:



Mimic wrote:



Just built my new box and its running ridiculously slow. just over 2mins
to boot to the login prompt then a further 1min 20 to get to the
desktop, its a new install of xp pro. The spec is as follows, a couple
things, it has dumped after a bugcheck a couple times, last time i had
this it was due to overclocked ram. I manually set this ram to its speed
with no joy. Also, im running it off a 300w PSU [i have a 400 on the
way] atm, which I know is causing other problems [reboots when i turn on
the light tubes hehe]. But that wouldnt be the cause of this would it ?

Anyway, any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated as this is sposed to be
the hype box that is replacing my fast, stable, 4yo duron800 machine :P

P4 2.8 Prescott [1mb L2 cache, 800/HT] @ 50 deg C
512 DDR 2700 [333]
Asus Board, supporting Prescott, HT and 800fsb @ 27 deg C
256mb Geforce4 gfx card
1 Zalman Fan controller
1 multifunctional docking bay [mem cards, usb, f/wire etc]
1 DVDrom
1 DVDRW
3 Case fans
5 inline led's.
[the tubes are always turned off atm]

If you need the exact part specs just shout.

thx


i suggest 1 more fan and much more power!
450 watts to be exact.


He doesn't need a 450watt power supply...not unless he plans on burning a DVD while at the same time
playing a DVD while also playing Doom3 on top of it...not only that but a lack of power wouldn't be
slowing the system down...causing it to shut itself off yeah, but like I said, he's in no danger of
that happening.

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well yes, it would, as a reduction in power to fans and the like would
increase the cpu temperature and cause it to perform at a lower rate.


...are you stupid? I mean, no, really. Do you know how much power those lil fans use? Trust me on
this one, not even anywhere ****ing CLOSE to the amount that say your DVD-RW uses. So boot into
Windows and burn a DVD, if it works, guess what? Yeah, not a power problem unless you wanna try and
claim your DVD-RW is burning a DVD during the boot up process.

Second of all, surely you've actually bought some sort of temperature controller for this system,
right? I mean, hello, an Aerogate II like the one I bought:
http://www.backwater-productions.net...s/aerogate.jpg
Yeah, REALLY not that expensive and it'll tell you the temperature of the case, CPU, HDs, as well as
the speed of all the fans.

Furthermore, your slow boot up is 99.9% likely to be the result of a amateurish ****ed installation
of whatever the hell operating system you're using than it is with electric power, cpu power, or any
other hardware component for that matter.

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mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA! you ****ing tard

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:25:35 GMT, "RAMCable" wrote:


"Mimic" dev@null wrote in message
...

Just built my new box and its running ridiculously slow. just over 2mins
to boot to the login prompt then a further 1min 20 to get to the
desktop, its a new install of xp pro. The spec is as follows, a couple
things, it has dumped after a bugcheck a couple times, last time i had
this it was due to overclocked ram. I manually set this ram to its speed
with no joy. Also, im running it off a 300w PSU [i have a 400 on the
way] atm, which I know is causing other problems [reboots when i turn on
the light tubes hehe]. But that wouldnt be the cause of this would it ?

Anyway, any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated as this is sposed to be
the hype box that is replacing my fast, stable, 4yo duron800 machine :P

P4 2.8 Prescott [1mb L2 cache, 800/HT] @ 50 deg C
512 DDR 2700 [333]
Asus Board, supporting Prescott, HT and 800fsb @ 27 deg C
256mb Geforce4 gfx card
1 Zalman Fan controller
1 multifunctional docking bay [mem cards, usb, f/wire etc]
1 DVDrom
1 DVDRW
3 Case fans
5 inline led's.
[the tubes are always turned off atm]

If you need the exact part specs just shout.

thx

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Mimic

Looks like you aren't the only one. Though it does get through the bootup
and goes to desktop, the system always gets 'stuck' for like about 2 mintues
and then it is fine again. Probably a bad install or bad HD??


He doesn't say what file system he's using on the drives. It's also possible that it's some kind of
a problem with whatever dynamic drive overlay he's got on there.

Although I'm bettin that he just has a ****ed installation of WinXP. I wonder if he installed from
scratch or tried to do an "upgrade" install.

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mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net

what do you think oh superior one ?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:45:24 +0100, Mimic dev@null wrote:

Then try to shut the **** and listen. Or be ignorant and stupid...your choice. I mean, the
opinions expressed so far are based on...what...Maximum PC magazine? *snicker* My opinions are
based on ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Then you cant have had much experience

Dual Xeon processors operating at 84 degrees Fahrenheit...
http://www.backwater-productions.net...s/aerogate.jpg

I'd like to you see you or anyone else do better, Cupcake.

the fact that my storage hdd runs at 5400rpm doeswnt mean ****
as far as system speed goes.

Actually it REALLY does. Even if you've got it setup as just a slave/storage drive it's STILL gonna
slow it all down. In fact currently it is pretty much THE slowest component in your system.

It reduce sthe seek time for info yes. But it doesnt slow down the
system to this kind of level, or force the cpu upto 100%, I can assure
you it isnt the rpm of the hdd.

*shakes head*

Here's a thought Grasshopper...why did a lot of mother board manufacturers start taking out ISA
slots even when ISA based peripherals were being actively marketed? Free cl00, it's cause just
HAVING the ISA architecture on the board slowed everything down, even when nothing was being used on
it. It's a similar situation with your HD.

Furthermore, my point was that it shoulnt
take over 3minutes for a system to boot. My old system booted in about
20secs

What OS was your old system running? You do realize there's a difference between operating systems,
right?

Oh is there ? damn, well it worked on my win 3.11 fine, i thought it
would be the same on my xpp..... *slap* of course i know theres a
difference, its the same OS as the other box...exactly the same ;D heh

....exactly the same?

Wait, wait, wait...you didn't like...oh good Gawd surely you didn't do what I think you did...

You didn't just slap in a new board using the same HD with the EXACT SAME OS did you? I mean,
surely you did a CLEAN install of XP...right? o_O

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mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:56:54 +0100, Mimic dev@null wrote:

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:25:35 GMT, "RAMCable" wrote:


"Mimic" dev@null wrote in message
...

Just built my new box and its running ridiculously slow. just over 2mins
to boot to the login prompt then a further 1min 20 to get to the
desktop, its a new install of xp pro. The spec is as follows, a couple
things, it has dumped after a bugcheck a couple times, last time i had
this it was due to overclocked ram. I manually set this ram to its speed
with no joy. Also, im running it off a 300w PSU [i have a 400 on the
way] atm, which I know is causing other problems [reboots when i turn on
the light tubes hehe]. But that wouldnt be the cause of this would it ?

Anyway, any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated as this is sposed to be
the hype box that is replacing my fast, stable, 4yo duron800 machine :P

P4 2.8 Prescott [1mb L2 cache, 800/HT] @ 50 deg C
512 DDR 2700 [333]
Asus Board, supporting Prescott, HT and 800fsb @ 27 deg C
256mb Geforce4 gfx card
1 Zalman Fan controller
1 multifunctional docking bay [mem cards, usb, f/wire etc]
1 DVDrom
1 DVDRW
3 Case fans
5 inline led's.
[the tubes are always turned off atm]

If you need the exact part specs just shout.

thx

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Mimic

Looks like you aren't the only one. Though it does get through the bootup
and goes to desktop, the system always gets 'stuck' for like about 2 mintues
and then it is fine again. Probably a bad install or bad HD??


He doesn't say what file system he's using on the drives. It's also possible that it's some kind of
a problem with whatever dynamic drive overlay he's got on there.

Although I'm bettin that he just has a ****ed installation of WinXP. I wonder if he installed from
scratch or tried to do an "upgrade" install.

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Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net

what do you think oh superior one ?

I'm thinkin you probably did something REALLY ****ing stupid like just took your old HD that was
already running WinXP in your old system and then crammed it into this new system you built without
actually doing a clean install.

Free cl00 for ya, you can't really significantly upgrade your hardware on a WinXP system unless you
plan on doing a clean install, otherwise you're just gonna **** yourself over.

Also have you even checked for duplicate drivers, mismatched IRQs, conflicts, ESCD configuation,
etc, etc, etc?

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mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:52:09 +0100, Mimic dev@null pecked out:


hehe

If you haven't had an answer yet - try your MB/Chip/Clock settings.
Have you run a system test using a DOS floppy?

I forget where to find these, but I'm sure our friend Google will help
out....


http://www.computercraft.com/docs/prog.shtml ...for example. (No, I
haven't used it, just looked at the page.)



kai
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
g2004 at g3prod.cotse.net

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:45:24 +0100, Mimic dev@null wrote:


Then try to shut the **** and listen. Or be ignorant and stupid...your choice. I mean, the
opinions expressed so far are based on...what...Maximum PC magazine? *snicker* My opinions are
based on ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.


Then you cant have had much experience


Dual Xeon processors operating at 84 degrees Fahrenheit...
http://www.backwater-productions.net...s/aerogate.jpg

I'd like to you see you or anyone else do better, Cupcake.

Why is it that you always show us only that blurred picture of the fan
controller? Show us your complete box once, then I might believe you
actually have a dual Xeon board.

the fact that my storage hdd runs at 5400rpm doeswnt mean ****
as far as system speed goes.


Actually it REALLY does. Even if you've got it setup as just a slave/storage drive it's STILL gonna
slow it all down. In fact currently it is pretty much THE slowest component in your system.


It reduce sthe seek time for info yes. But it doesnt slow down the
system to this kind of level, or force the cpu upto 100%, I can assure
you it isnt the rpm of the hdd.


*shakes head*

Here's a thought Grasshopper...why did a lot of mother board manufacturers start taking out ISA
slots even when ISA based peripherals were being actively marketed? Free cl00, it's cause just
HAVING the ISA architecture on the board slowed everything down, even when nothing was being used on
it. It's a similar situation with your HD.

Take a look at all those 2 year old HP/Dell etc. boxes. They all have
5400 rpm hdd, because they're cheaper than 7200 rpm hdd and the average
office user won't notice the difference in speed.
You're not telling me that all those computers with a clean install of
WinXP run just as slow as Mimic's.

[...]
....exactly the same?

Wait, wait, wait...you didn't like...oh good Gawd surely you didn't do what I think you did...

You didn't just slap in a new board using the same HD with the EXACT SAME OS did you? I mean,
surely you did a CLEAN install of XP...right? o_O

If you'd actually read the thread you'd see that he *installed* winXP on
his box...

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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
[...]
Furthermore, your slow boot up is 99.9% likely to be the result of a amateurish ****ed installation
of whatever the hell operating system you're using than it is with electric power, cpu power, or any
other hardware component for that matter.

LOL! The only thing you have to do when installing winXP is clicking on
the 'Next' button. Did you know that?

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:12:27 +0200, ByteCoder wrote:

Dual Xeon processors operating at 84 degrees Fahrenheit...
http://www.backwater-productions.net...s/aerogate.jpg

I'd like to you see you or anyone else do better, Cupcake.

Why is it that you always show us only that blurred picture of the fan
controller? Show us your complete box once, then I might believe you
actually have a dual Xeon board.

....how would you even be able to tell? You do know that heatsink/fan options for Xeon's are pretty
limited outside the OEM setup, unless I took the whole thing apart, pulled out the processors and
took pictures of the bottoms it wouldn't really prove anything.

Not only that but I'm not exactly in any great contest to "prove" anything either, cause really,
it'd just be silly. I mean you're bitching that I've only posted pics of the temp controller. So
then if I go and take pictures of the whole case, you'll probably find something else to bitch
about. And where does it end? Oh yeah, it doesn't, because you won't EVER be satisfied until you
think you've "proven" yourself right.

It reduce sthe seek time for info yes. But it doesnt slow down the
system to this kind of level, or force the cpu upto 100%, I can assure
you it isnt the rpm of the hdd.

*shakes head*

Here's a thought Grasshopper...why did a lot of mother board manufacturers start taking out ISA
slots even when ISA based peripherals were being actively marketed? Free cl00, it's cause just
HAVING the ISA architecture on the board slowed everything down, even when nothing was being used on
it. It's a similar situation with your HD.

Take a look at all those 2 year old HP/Dell etc. boxes. They all have
5400 rpm hdd, because they're cheaper than 7200 rpm hdd and the average
office user won't notice the difference in speed.

Your average office user is a complete ****ing moron who thinks cramming in more memory will somehow
make their system magically boot up faster...not exactly the best basis of comparison. I'm not
talking about theoretical imaginary ass speed that someone THINKS is occurring, but ACTUAL REAL
WORLD speed tests, in which case a 7200rpm HD kicks the living **** out of a 5400rpm drive. If you
don't know that...I don't even know what the **** you're doing in alt.2600.

You're not telling me that all those computers with a clean install of
WinXP run just as slow as Mimic's.

Depends, did Mimic install the OS? ^_^

Wait, wait, wait...you didn't like...oh good Gawd surely you didn't do what I think you did...

You didn't just slap in a new board using the same HD with the EXACT SAME OS did you? I mean,
surely you did a CLEAN install of XP...right? o_O

If you'd actually read the thread you'd see that he *installed* winXP on
his box...

I don't make ASSumptions about anything. Anyone who has worked in tech support is fully aware of
the short that exists between the users chair and keyboard. It's like you ask a guy, "Hey did you
make sure it was plugged in?" And he'll sit there and just rave on about, "Yes, of COURSE I checked
to make sure it was plugged in! I'm ENTIRELY, ABSOLUTELY, FOR CERTAIN sure that it...it's
um...hrmmm...oh I guess maybe it's not plugged in after all".

Also I don't recall seeing anything where he said he did a CLEAN install of WinXP.

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http://www.backwater-productions.net