16mb buffer hard drive in a laptop

(Al Dykes) writes:
How much do they cost. * figure $50/GB for the big/slow models and
$100/GB for the small/fast models.

Where'd you get those prices from? That's astonishingly low.

http://www.litepc.com/98micro.html

Only 46MB required for a 98Lite install of Windows 98, 121MB for Windows 98.

Out of 800MB, I =think= there's enough room to load up Office 97,
Mozilla, Photoshop, and a couple other programs before it all runs of room.

Besides, Knoppix runs off a single CD, so there you go -- no problems
running a handful of commonly used applications on either Linux or
Windows on a 800MB HD.

(Makes you wonder, too. What in the world did MS throw into XP that
bloated a 121MB, 1806 file install of Windows 98 into a 1/2GB, 10k+ file
install of XP?!? It's not like we can't do anything with our files that
we couldn't do in XP in 98. No wonder our PCs are so slow today....)

David Chien wrote:

However, they won't operate for long. They have very limited number of
write cycles.

Tell that to my 800MB 2.5" flash drive I picked up cheap off ebay.com
that's running just fine in my notebook.

flash cells typically are rated in the 100,000 cycles per cell
lifespan, and with automatic write balancing, drives can last years w/o
any problems at all in most user environments.

In "most user environments" Windows is constantly updating the swap file,
which will kill a flash drive very quickly. If you're not running Windows
that's another story but then you're not running anything characteristic of
"most user environments".

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

David Chien writes:
http://www.litepc.com/98micro.html

Only 46MB required for a 98Lite install of Windows 98, 121MB for Windows 98.

Yeah, the question was where Al got those flash drive prices. I have
no interest at all in running Windows, but wow, you were right about
the 810MB drive. I might buy one.

David Chien wrote:

http://www.litepc.com/98micro.html

Only 46MB required for a 98Lite install of Windows 98, 121MB for Windows
98.

How about a version of Windows that is actually in production? In case you
have noticed Microsoft quit selling 98 some time ago.

Out of 800MB, I =think= there's enough room to load up Office 97,
Mozilla, Photoshop, and a couple other programs before it all runs of
room.

That might be--2K and Office 2000 left 3 gig out of a five gig disk. And
that was only a partial O2K--a full install had several more apps from the
first CD and 3 more to go.

Besides, Knoppix runs off a single CD, so there you go -- no problems
running a handful of commonly used applications on either Linux or
Windows on a 800MB HD.

(Makes you wonder, too. What in the world did MS throw into XP that
bloated a 121MB, 1806 file install of Windows 98 into a 1/2GB, 10k+ file
install of XP?!? It's not like we can't do anything with our files that
we couldn't do in XP in 98. No wonder our PCs are so slow today....)

Actually, they threw 98 compatibility into NT.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J. Clarke" wrote
Chris Allen wrote:
The minimum write cycle capacity for any commercial
flash is one hundred thousand. Higher quality flash
units typically have write cycle capacities of
one million, minimum:
http://www.google.com/search?q=flash...les%22+million
Now, is there any particular site among the 2330 turned up by
that search that supports your argument,

The pull-quotes from the sites returned by Google seem
sufficient to support the contention that minimum write
cycle capacities are not atypically in the millions:


DL642G (128Mb, x16)
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Flash devices. ...
nA typical standby mode current. Minimum 1 million write cycles
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per ... Software Features: Supports Common Flash Memory Interface
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these would be very good for making home-brued always on machines
which have no moving parts (aka home ___ server)

David Chien wrote in message ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

This guy is selling 10 such 800MB flash drives for $40 / each.

I was looking on froogle and these drives in stores go for upwards of
200? why are they so cheap on ebay


David Chien wrote in message ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

This guy is selling 10 such 800MB flash drives for $40 / each.

Dan Irwin wrote:

I was looking on froogle and these drives in stores go for upwards of
200? why are they so cheap on ebay

He claims they're surplus to a project. Might have "fallen off a truck".


David Chien wrote in message
...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

This guy is selling 10 such 800MB flash drives for $40 / each.


--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

J. Clarke wrote:
David Chien wrote:


However, they won't operate for long. They have very limited number of
write cycles.

Tell that to my 800MB 2.5" flash drive I picked up cheap off ebay.com
that's running just fine in my notebook.

flash cells typically are rated in the 100,000 cycles per cell
lifespan, and with automatic write balancing, drives can last years w/o
any problems at all in most user environments.


In "most user environments" Windows is constantly updating the swap file,
which will kill a flash drive very quickly. If you're not running Windows
that's another story but then you're not running anything characteristic of
"most user environments".

What if we disable the swap file? I wonder if anyone has actually
tried running Windows on a flash disk, or if everyone has just been
scared off by the write-cycle limitation. I have an extra 256MB flash
card, maybe I will try running Win98 off it. A CF to IDE adapter
goes for less about $20.

WinXP embedded can run from flash disk:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...mpactFlash.asp