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Mocrosoft Hologram CD
I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance
of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig |
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I'll have to presume you mean XP. I purchased mine around 6 months ago (XP
Home-to keep cost down). I think the actual cd can be used on any machine you intend to install xp on. It's the Certificate of Authenticity that's important. This of course can only be used on one pc. I rang microsoft when I was about to do a major upgrade and they said it would be fine as long as I kept the same mobo (I'm using WinXP OEM ) I upgraded anyway replacing pretty much everything and when re-installing WinXP registered by internet when prompted. Had no problems at all and use windows update etc. I posted a message on this or a similiar group before I upgraded and one of the replies said not to worry as he had re-intalled (and re-registered) 5 times with no problems. HTH David "Craig" wrote in message ink.net... I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:03:36 GMT, "Craig"
wrote: I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig The CD is irrelevant, a hologram is simply an anti-counterfeit measure against anyone selling fake "product" but the license is NOT tied to the CD itself, rather the certificate or sticker (on OEM boxes/license). In other words, you could buy the appropriate license and throw away the CD and be fine installing on any (single, as per your license) system, providing you have other source of the OS version (files) you're licensed to use. For example, you might make a backup of the CD and use that to avoid damaging original CD, or you might have multiple licenses and be installing from a common file-store over a LAN. |
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If you're referring to XP, your concern would be with product activation.
You can install XP on any number of machines, but you're only supposed to activate it on one at a time. (The rule: one paid license per machine.) http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php What you can do with XP is, at least in principle, dependent on what type of license you get. A retail license (full or upgrade) can be transferred to a new machine any number of times. An OEM license is supposed to be only installed on one machine, ever, but I don't know how that machine is defined. (If the hard disk dies, I believe that Microsoft will give you an activation code for a re-install.) I suspect that, in reality, you could install an OEM license on a 100% new machine, although you might have to be less than truthful in describing it as a "repair". (I don't know from personal experience. My only XP license is a retail upgrade one, which has been installed in a series of systems, all within the one license/one machine limit.) There are also manufacturer's restore disks, and BIOS-locked OEM copies, with different limits. I have no experience with them. If you're not getting an OS with an appliance PC, you shouldn't get either of those. Product activation is a bit of a pain, but if you have to re-activate by the slowest means (telephone), it still takes only about five minutes (at least in the US, by toll-free call). I suggest that if you're given a choice between an OEM version and a retail one, get the retail. It will cost more, but it may save you some future aggravation. HTH. Bob Knowlden Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. "Craig" wrote in message ink.net... I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig |
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"Bob Knowlden" wrote in message ... If you're referring to XP, your concern would be with product activation. You can install XP on any number of machines, but you're only supposed to activate it on one at a time. (The rule: one paid license per machine.) http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php What you can do with XP is, at least in principle, dependent on what type of license you get. A retail license (full or upgrade) can be transferred to a new machine any number of times. An OEM license is supposed to be only installed on one machine, ever, but I don't know how that machine is defined. (If the hard disk dies, I believe that Microsoft will give you an activation code for a re-install.) I suspect that, in reality, you could install an OEM license on a 100% new machine, although you might have to be less than truthful in describing it as a "repair". (I don't know from personal experience. My only XP license is a retail upgrade one, which has been installed in a series of systems, all within the one license/one machine limit.) There are also manufacturer's restore disks, and BIOS-locked OEM copies, with different limits. I have no experience with them. If you're not getting an OS with an appliance PC, you shouldn't get either of those. Product activation is a bit of a pain, but if you have to re-activate by the slowest means (telephone), it still takes only about five minutes (at least in the US, by toll-free call). I suggest that if you're given a choice between an OEM version and a retail one, get the retail. It will cost more, but it may save you some future aggravation. HTH. Bob Knowlden Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. Bob, This is just from personal experience as a system builder. The OEM and Retail EULAs are identical. I use one CD to install all XP Home and Pro OSs (of course I use the proper version and their key....) and give the customer a "newly packaged" copy with their system and the only difference is that I usually put the sticker on the case unless the customer does a lot of upgrading of his system. In those cases, I just give him/her the whole OEM package. In my experience, as far as upgrading or even building a completely different system, the activation and reactivation is the same as Retail, IE, one copy/one machine. If I change major components like the MB, I need to call MS to reactivate, just like with retail. I just tell them the truth that I just upgraded my HW and they give me a new number. Same as with the retail version. These are just my personal experiences and NOT what the MSMVPs on the MS groups tell you. The major difference I have seen between OEM and Retail is that the Retail versions have more documentation and a box. I couldn't even guess as to how many times my personal systems have been reactivated seeing as I change things so often. I have never once had any problems with my OEM activations and neither have my customers. Cheers, Ed "Craig" wrote in message ink.net... I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig |
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Thanks for the information.
That's rather more liberal than I expected - I thought that MS would decline to re-activate an OEM license on a replacement system. It sounds like the only significant limitation to a generic OEM license is that you can't run it as an upgrade. (Some would say that is more of a virtue than a limitation.) Bob Kn. "Ed Medlin" wrote in message . com... "Bob Knowlden" wrote in message (snip) Bob Knowlden Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. Bob, This is just from personal experience as a system builder. The OEM and Retail EULAs are identical. I use one CD to install all XP Home and Pro OSs (of course I use the proper version and their key....) and give the customer a "newly packaged" copy with their system and the only difference is that I usually put the sticker on the case unless the customer does a lot of upgrading of his system. In those cases, I just give him/her the whole OEM package. In my experience, as far as upgrading or even building a completely different system, the activation and reactivation is the same as Retail, IE, one copy/one machine. If I change major components like the MB, I need to call MS to reactivate, just like with retail. I just tell them the truth that I just upgraded my HW and they give me a new number. Same as with the retail version. These are just my personal experiences and NOT what the MSMVPs on the MS groups tell you. The major difference I have seen between OEM and Retail is that the Retail versions have more documentation and a box. I couldn't even guess as to how many times my personal systems have been reactivated seeing as I change things so often. I have never once had any problems with my OEM activations and neither have my customers. Cheers, Ed (snip) |
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"Bob Knowlden" wrote in message ... Thanks for the information. That's rather more liberal than I expected - I thought that MS would decline to re-activate an OEM license on a replacement system. It sounds like the only significant limitation to a generic OEM license is that you can't run it as an upgrade. (Some would say that is more of a virtue than a limitation.) Bob Kn. hehe......Actually, when you run the install, it does have the upgrade option just like the retail version....... I really don't see much, if any, difference between the OEM and the retail version except the cheaper packaging.......... Of course, these are just my observations over the past couple of years and not "The Gospel According to Microsoft". If you mean you cannot buy an OEM upgrade package, you are, of course, correct. A small business like mine cannot buy OEM copies in bulk and must buy major upgrade parts before I can purchase the OEM copy. So whenever I can, I buy a copy. The local resellers have a lot of leeway, so it is not a problem keeping enough copies in stock for my needs. Ed "Ed Medlin" wrote in message . com... "Bob Knowlden" wrote in message (snip) Bob Knowlden Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. Bob, This is just from personal experience as a system builder. The OEM and Retail EULAs are identical. I use one CD to install all XP Home and Pro OSs (of course I use the proper version and their key....) and give the customer a "newly packaged" copy with their system and the only difference is that I usually put the sticker on the case unless the customer does a lot of upgrading of his system. In those cases, I just give him/her the whole OEM package. In my experience, as far as upgrading or even building a completely different system, the activation and reactivation is the same as Retail, IE, one copy/one machine. If I change major components like the MB, I need to call MS to reactivate, just like with retail. I just tell them the truth that I just upgraded my HW and they give me a new number. Same as with the retail version. These are just my personal experiences and NOT what the MSMVPs on the MS groups tell you. The major difference I have seen between OEM and Retail is that the Retail versions have more documentation and a box. I couldn't even guess as to how many times my personal systems have been reactivated seeing as I change things so often. I have never once had any problems with my OEM activations and neither have my customers. Cheers, Ed (snip) |
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"dave" wrote in message
... I'll have to presume you mean XP. I purchased mine around 6 months ago (XP Home-to keep cost down). I think the actual cd can be used on any machine you intend to install xp on. It's the Certificate of Authenticity that's important. This of course can only be used on one pc. I rang microsoft when I was about to do a major upgrade and they said it would be fine as long as I kept the same mobo (I'm using WinXP OEM ) I upgraded anyway replacing pretty much everything and when re-installing WinXP registered by internet when prompted. Had no problems at all and use windows update etc. I posted a message on this or a similiar group before I upgraded and one of the replies said not to worry as he had re-intalled (and re-registered) 5 times with no problems. HTH David Ok. I was curious because I will eventually upgrade, possibly changing the mobo, and wanted to know if i'd have to go and buy another copy of the software. |
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"kony" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:03:36 GMT, "Craig" wrote: I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig The CD is irrelevant, a hologram is simply an anti-counterfeit measure against anyone selling fake "product" but the license is NOT tied to the CD itself, rather the certificate or sticker (on OEM boxes/license). In other words, you could buy the appropriate license and throw away the CD and be fine installing on any (single, as per your license) system, providing you have other source of the OS version (files) you're licensed to use. For example, you might make a backup of the CD and use that to avoid damaging original CD, or you might have multiple licenses and be installing from a common file-store over a LAN. No, I wasn't looking to do anything like that. I was more concerned about installing it on my current system, then, down the road, if I upgrade to another completely new system, would I still be able to use the software or would I have to go and buy another copy. I read about someone who's mobo died. He replaced the mobo and when he went to reinstall the software, the installation program said it was a different computer and wouldn't install the software. Now, as I recall he was using a Dell and was using the system restore disk. My concern with the hologram cd was if it somehow recorded or remembered my current system configuration. |
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Craig wrote:
"kony" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:03:36 GMT, "Craig" wrote: I'm going to be getting my os soon and I'm wondering what the significance of the subjected cd is? I'm getting the impression that I will only be able to install it on one system? That if I upgrade my system down the road I won't be able to install it again? Is that correct? Craig The CD is irrelevant, a hologram is simply an anti-counterfeit measure against anyone selling fake "product" but the license is NOT tied to the CD itself, rather the certificate or sticker (on OEM boxes/license). In other words, you could buy the appropriate license and throw away the CD and be fine installing on any (single, as per your license) system, providing you have other source of the OS version (files) you're licensed to use. For example, you might make a backup of the CD and use that to avoid damaging original CD, or you might have multiple licenses and be installing from a common file-store over a LAN. No, I wasn't looking to do anything like that. I was more concerned about installing it on my current system, then, down the road, if I upgrade to another completely new system, would I still be able to use the software or would I have to go and buy another copy. I read about someone who's mobo died. He replaced the mobo and when he went to reinstall the software, the installation program said it was a different computer and wouldn't install the software. Now, as I recall he was using a Dell and was using the system restore disk. It shouldn't be surprising that a "Dell" restore CD didn't 'restore' to a non Dell motherboard. My concern with the hologram cd was if it somehow recorded or remembered my current system configuration. You can't write to a pressed CD. Not to mention, how would a CD-ROM reader do it even if you could? |
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