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Old January 22nd 15, 05:14 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Old January 22nd 15, 11:39 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagate is alarming

Ant wrote

http://arstechnica.com/information-t...e-is-alarming/


Fark. I'll certainly be avoiding those Seagates.

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Old January 23rd 15, 11:52 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules,Seagate is alarming

On 1/22/2015 2:39 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
Ant wrote

http://arstechnica.com/information-t...e-is-alarming/


Fark. I'll certainly be avoiding those Seagates.


I still use old Seagate HDDs:
1. ST3320620AS 320 GB
2. ST310005N1A1AS-RK 1 TB
3. ST325082 3A; 250 GB
4. 12 days ago, I bought a new green Western Digital Corporation (WDC)
WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SATA HDD to replace the dying Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
(ST380011A; 7200 RPM; 80 GB; IDE) HDD in Debian/Linux box.

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Old January 24th 15, 12:07 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagate is alarming

Ant wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Ant wrote


http://arstechnica.com/information-t...e-is-alarming/


Fark. I'll certainly be avoiding those Seagates.


I still use old Seagate HDDs:


I don’t.

1. ST3320620AS 320 GB
2. ST310005N1A1AS-RK 1 TB
3. ST325082 3A; 250 GB


I do still use 1TB drives, Samsungs, but don’t use
any of the smaller 3.5" drives anymore even tho
I still have them. Still have 1TB drives in laptops.

4. 12 days ago, I bought a new green Western Digital Corporation (WDC)
WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SATA HDD to replace the dying Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
(ST380011A; 7200 RPM; 80 GB; IDE) HDD in Debian/Linux box.


I've been avoiding WD drives for years now, only bought
Samsungs, but now that they are gone, I'll get HGSTs if I
need more drives. Not likely I will any time soon tho,
I decided it was mad to keep buying new drives for
the PVR files I never get around to watching and that
it makes more sense to just dump the stuff I never
get around to watching instead.

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Old January 24th 15, 12:34 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagate is alarming

In article , Ant
wrote:

On 1/22/2015 2:39 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
Ant wrote


http://arstechnica.com/information-t...k-reliability-
examined-once-more-hgst-rules-seagate-is-alarming/


Fark. I'll certainly be avoiding those Seagates.


I still use old Seagate HDDs:
1. ST3320620AS 320 GB
2. ST310005N1A1AS-RK 1 TB
3. ST325082 3A; 250 GB
4. 12 days ago, I bought a new green Western Digital Corporation (WDC)
WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SATA HDD to replace the dying Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
(ST380011A; 7200 RPM; 80 GB; IDE) HDD in Debian/Linux box.

:/


I'm still using the original 6GB drive that shipped with my G3 PowerMac
about 16 years ago with no problems. I did also add a 120GB drive for
my documents about ten or so years ago when the original started
running out of space. :-)

On the other hand, over the years I have replaced quite a few failed
hard drives in G3 CRT iMacs for clients (in one case at least twice),
or they've decided to buy a new computer. Could be a design flaw in the
CRT iMac making a heat build-up which adds to drive failure rates.
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Old January 24th 15, 02:46 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagateis alarming

On 01/22/2015 10:14 AM, Ant wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...e-is-alarming/





"Backblaze operates disks outside of the manufacturer's specified
parameters.

Avoid doing that. My Seagates are doing fine.

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Old January 24th 15, 04:18 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagateis alarming

On 01/23/2015 04:52 PM, Ant wrote:
4. 12 days ago, I bought a new green Western Digital Corporation (WDC)
WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SATA HDD to replace the dying Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
(ST380011A; 7200 RPM; 80 GB; IDE) HDD in Debian/Linux box.


You might want to check whether your new drive has the absurdly short
8 second timeout that unloads the heads and causes the Load_Cycle_Count
(SMART attribute 225) to increase rapidly under Linux. Google "WDidle3"
for details. There is a Linux package "idle3-tools" to adjust or
disable that timer. The only benefit from unloading the heads is a
fraction of a Watt decrease in power consumption in the idle state.

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Old January 24th 15, 11:09 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.hdd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagateis alarming

On 1/23/2015 7:46 PM, cjt wrote:
On 01/22/2015 10:14 AM, Ant wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...e-is-alarming/






"Backblaze operates disks outside of the manufacturer's specified
parameters.

Avoid doing that. My Seagates are doing fine.


For consumer drives, yes. I still heed what they say as I buy 10 new
hard drives a year. Mostly SSDs now though.

Lynn


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Old January 25th 15, 02:15 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagate is alarming

In article ,
Robert Nichols wrote:

On 01/23/2015 04:52 PM, Ant wrote:
4. 12 days ago, I bought a new green Western Digital Corporation (WDC)
WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SATA HDD to replace the dying Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
(ST380011A; 7200 RPM; 80 GB; IDE) HDD in Debian/Linux box.


You might want to check whether your new drive has the absurdly short
8 second timeout that unloads the heads and causes the Load_Cycle_Count
(SMART attribute 225) to increase rapidly under Linux. Google "WDidle3"
for details. There is a Linux package "idle3-tools" to adjust or
disable that timer. The only benefit from unloading the heads is a
fraction of a Watt decrease in power consumption in the idle state.


It's not just a Linux problem, but any system not explicitly working
around WD's never-ending defective firmware. A lot of their drives spin
up and down every few seconds, causing computer hangs and early disk
failure.

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Old January 25th 15, 03:40 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage
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Default Hard disk reliability examined once mo HGST rules, Seagate is alarming

In article , Kevin
McMurtrie wrote:
In article ,
Robert Nichols wrote:
On 01/23/2015 04:52 PM, Ant wrote:
4. 12 days ago, I bought a new green Western Digital Corporation (WDC)
WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SATA HDD to replace the dying Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
(ST380011A; 7200 RPM; 80 GB; IDE) HDD in Debian/Linux box.


You might want to check whether your new drive has the absurdly short
8 second timeout that unloads the heads and causes the Load_Cycle_Count
(SMART attribute 225) to increase rapidly under Linux. Google "WDidle3"
for details. There is a Linux package "idle3-tools" to adjust or
disable that timer. The only benefit from unloading the heads is a
fraction of a Watt decrease in power consumption in the idle state.


It's not just a Linux problem, but any system not explicitly working
around WD's never-ending defective firmware. A lot of their drives spin
up and down every few seconds, causing computer hangs and early disk
failure.


I added a Western Digital 120GB drive to my G3 PowerMac years ago and
it's never had any problems.

These drive failure problems are likely partly due to bad computer
design causing over-heating, and partly due to the ever-increasing
capacity (trying to squeeze more and more data into the same physical
space).
 




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