How Move OS XP from Old to New HD?

Use Partition Magic 8. Select "Copy Partition" and expand it to the whole
disk. It will be done in one run. Then you just boot from the new disk and
everything works.

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
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Windows XP Home (SP1)

I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0 ,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a slave.
It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using NTFS. I
named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to it.
So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the phone
said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It has a
copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS is now
on E instead of C?

I didn't use MaxBlast to set up the drive. I just use Computer
Management.

So how do I move the OS from the old HD to the new?


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- tomcas -
Did you follow steps 1 thru 6 on pg 23 and 24?

http://maxtor.com/en/documentation/i...tion_guide.pdf

- Nehmo -
Okay, I'm going to try it.
- Nehmo -
Didn't work.
I assumed the copy from old HD to new HD I had previously done with
MaxBlast was the same as the copy it would do if I ran the program
again, so I just proceeded with the remaining steps.
I moved the jumpers to make the new drive master
I removed the jumper to make the old drive slave

I switched positions of the drives on the ATA cable to
Black {end} connector to New HD
Grey {middle} connector to Old HD

I first started without the old drive connected.
Windows XP began to start but stopped short and produced the Windows
Product Activation box saying there was a problem with WPA, error code
0x80090006 .

Just to make sure the disconnection of the old drive had nothing to do
with it, I tried again this time with both drives connected as described
above. The same error developed.

So I returned things back the way they we jumpers old=master,
new=slave ; ATA cable, black end to old , grey middle to new. Now things
work as befo the OS is still on the old HD.

My understanding of Win XP WPA is from http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm .
When I installed XP (up form ME) on this machine, I had already added a
NIC and some RAM. Now I'm trying to add a HD. So the only change in
hardware categories is the HD. That shouldn't be enough to trigger WPA
error.

I'll have to call Maxtor and maybe Microsoft tomorrow. It frustrates me
that these companies with global scope should have such narrow tech
support hours. The weekends and after-normal-business-hours should not
be dead time.

It's sure taking a long time just to get a new drive in.


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- Nehmo -
Okay, I'm going to try it

It didn't work.
MaxBlast seemed to copy all (except a few unnecessary) files. I shut
down unplugged the old drive Restarted a message displayed:
Operating System Not Found

I shut down re-plugged in the old drive restarted like normal
the
old drive is still the C drive.

- I'm Dan -
"Operating System Not Found" often means the partition was not set as
"active". Do you know if the new partition has been marked active in
its
partition table?

- Nehmo -
In XP's Computer Management Disk Management Top right window
Status Column the E drive, the new drive, is listed as Healthy
(Active) and the C drive, the old drive, is listed as Healthy (System).
In MaxBlast 3 there's no way, that I can see, of looking at a partition
to see whether it's active or not, but you can run the program to *set
up* the new drive up as a boot drive. I'm going to try running MaxBlast
again - but this time I'm going to run it using the set up operation
rather than the copy operation that I used last time.

- I'm Dan -
Check if MaxBlast has that as a menu option. If it
doesn't, download the freeware MbrWork from
http://www.bootitng.com/utilities.html. Boot from a floppy disk, run
mbrwork.exe and use its "Set a partition active" option.

BTW, MaxBlast doesn't remove C: from the old drive, it merely
duplicates it
on the new drive. The old drive will still think it's C: if you boot
from
it, so your last comment is normal.

- Nehmo -
I tried running MbrWork, but just after its DOS window appeared, an
alert labeled
MS-DOS Sub system said,
An application has attempted to access the hard drive, which can't be
supported. This may cause the application to function incorrectly. To
close the application press Close. There was also an Ignore button, but
it had the same effect as the Close button, closing MbrWork.

If running the MaxBlast setup operation doesn't work, I going to get a
copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.


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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
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If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.

xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.

The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.

- Nehmo -
If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.

- Rod Speed -
xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again changing
the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions to
download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:
ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar|73337216
|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

I called Maxtor tech support, 800 262 9867, and one guy said I should
put one drive on one ATA cable and the other on another. He explained
the drives were less likely to interfere with each other that way. He
also suggested getting Ghost or Drive Image. Then we got disconnected.
The next guy said one cable was fine, and I should boot with my Win XP
CD, go into the BIOS, and repair. In alternative, he suggested Ghost or
Drive Image.

Maxtor probably does the lion's share of its business with OEMs. I
gather people like me are a nuisance more than anything else. I only
paid hundred for the drive. (Maxtor couldn't have made too much off me.)
And the setup would have been easy if all I wanted was additional
storage. I think that's probably what most people use additional HDs
for.

- Rod Speed -
The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.


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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
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- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing
the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions
to
download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar|73337216
|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP Home.
I'm downloading a different file. XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back
yet.


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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
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- Nehmo -
If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.

- Rod Speed -
xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

No surprises there, cant see that the use of cable
select has any relevance at all to that problem.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions
to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:
ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

I called Maxtor tech support, 800 262 9867, and one guy said I
should put one drive on one ATA cable and the other on another.

Thats completely mad. That config does certainly ensure that
the clone is done as quickly as possible but it has absolutely
nothing to do with the reason why the clone isnt bootable.

He explained the drives were less likely to interfere with each other that way.

Yes, but that only affects the speed of
the cloning. Not the quality of the result.

He also suggested getting Ghost or Drive Image.

Which presumably means they have seen quite a few
complaints that MaxBlast doesnt work properly with XP.

Then we got disconnected.

I'd have hung up on him myself, tried again
to see if I would get a less clueless monkey.

The next guy said one cable was fine, and I should
boot with my Win XP CD, go into the BIOS, and repair.

That will work, but can be a problem with activation with XP Home.

In alternative, he suggested Ghost or Drive Image.

Looks like they realise that MaxBlast has a problem with XP.

Maxtor probably does the lion's share of its business with OEMs.
I gather people like me are a nuisance more than anything else.

They clearly have gone to the trouble of producing
MaxBlast and the FAQs for people like you tho.

They have never been exactly what you might call rock solid with MaxBlast.

I only paid hundred for the drive. (Maxtor
couldn't have made too much off me.)

Sure, they arent likely to make any profit from you at all.
But its all about swings and roundabouts in that business.

And the setup would have been easy
if all I wanted was additional storage.

Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless
with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family.

I think that's probably what most people use additional HDs for.

Yeah, but its not really a very good way to do things
because the new drive will normally be noticeably faster
than the original drive and should be used for the boot drive.

The hard drive manufacturers should have got their act
into gear on cloning the boot drive by now. Its clearly
possible because ghost and drive image can do it.

And the drive manufacturer's ute should be completely
unambiguous about unplugging the original drive for
the first boot after the clone has been done with XP
too. No rocket science required and one hell of an
inditement that it hasnt been completely fixed by now.

- Rod Speed -
The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP Home.
I'm downloading a different file.

SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back

Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:25:55 GMT
"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote:

- Nehmo -
If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.

- Rod Speed -
xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions
to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:
ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar|73337
216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

I called Maxtor tech support, 800 262 9867, and one guy said I should
put one drive on one ATA cable and the other on another. He explained
the drives were less likely to interfere with each other that way. He
also suggested getting Ghost or Drive Image. Then we got disconnected.
The next guy said one cable was fine, and I should boot with my Win XP
CD, go into the BIOS, and repair. In alternative, he suggested Ghost
or Drive Image.

Maxtor probably does the lion's share of its business with OEMs. I
gather people like me are a nuisance more than anything else. I only
paid hundred for the drive. (Maxtor couldn't have made too much off
me.) And the setup would have been easy if all I wanted was additional
storage. I think that's probably what most people use additional HDs
for.

- Rod Speed -
The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.

FWIW, I had occasion to upgrade my XP box today--downloaded the latest
Drive Image, installed it, hooked up the new drive, told it to copy, was
surprised that it copied the whole boot drive right over and that after
I pulled the old drive the new one came right up. Haven't tried
_imaging_ the boot drive, but copying worked fine.


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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Ghost is rock solid and darn nearly bullet-proof. Go with that if you
have the choice.

Robert

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:

...If running the MaxBlast setup operation doesn't work, I going to get a
copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.