Dumb Paper and Ink questions (Epson 785)

....I just tried Kodak Premium Picture (satin) paper on an Epson 785EPX.
I do not like the results at all. Results in an uneven texture in the
ink with ~ 1mm "circles" of ink on the paper. From a couple feet away
it is hardly noticeable ... but very different up close compared to the
Epson glossy photo paper. Are all Kodak papers like this?



....Carts. Ouch, don't they go by quick! Question is... are the "cheap"
refill kits able to give the same quality image as the "Epson" carts.
(T008 in this case). Has anyone done a serious comparison?



Thanks in advance,
Alan.

If you don't carefully match polymer coating of papaer to ink fastness and
drying time things get hairy and pool on the surface.
Cheap cart's maybe not . But yup it can be done.
Tony
--
Inkylink JetTec UK Quality - Wot others wanna-be
Epson 950 C70/80/82 Lighfast pigmented inks. Canon
BCI-3 i750 BCI-6 S-820 / S-900 series.
www.aah-haa.com
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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...I just tried Kodak Premium Picture (satin) paper on an Epson 785EPX.
I do not like the results at all. Results in an uneven texture in the
ink with ~ 1mm "circles" of ink on the paper. From a couple feet away
it is hardly noticeable ... but very different up close compared to the
Epson glossy photo paper. Are all Kodak papers like this?



...Carts. Ouch, don't they go by quick! Question is... are the "cheap"
refill kits able to give the same quality image as the "Epson" carts.
(T008 in this case). Has anyone done a serious comparison?



Thanks in advance,
Alan.

Kodak papers are made for thermal printers which Epson is not. You may need
to play with settings. Personally I prefer OEM inks but others will tell
you how they love aftermarket inks.

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
...


...I just tried Kodak Premium Picture (satin) paper on an Epson 785EPX.
I do not like the results at all. Results in an uneven texture in the
ink with ~ 1mm "circles" of ink on the paper. From a couple feet away
it is hardly noticeable ... but very different up close compared to the
Epson glossy photo paper. Are all Kodak papers like this?



...Carts. Ouch, don't they go by quick! Question is... are the "cheap"
refill kits able to give the same quality image as the "Epson" carts.
(T008 in this case). Has anyone done a serious comparison?



Thanks in advance,
Alan.

In article ,
says...
Kodak papers are made for thermal printers which Epson is not. You may need
to play with settings. Personally I prefer OEM inks but others will tell
you how they love aftermarket inks.

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
...


...I just tried Kodak Premium Picture (satin) paper on an Epson 785EPX.
I do not like the results at all. Results in an uneven texture in the
ink with ~ 1mm "circles" of ink on the paper. From a couple feet away
it is hardly noticeable ... but very different up close compared to the
Epson glossy photo paper. Are all Kodak papers like this?



...Carts. Ouch, don't they go by quick! Question is... are the "cheap"
refill kits able to give the same quality image as the "Epson" carts.
(T008 in this case). Has anyone done a serious comparison?



Thanks in advance,
Alan.






Epson 785 EPX prints well on most glossy paper if it is set to glossy
FILM instead of glossy PAPER (for me at least). I only set it to glossy
PAPER if Im using Epson Paper (which I seldom do)

To correct some miss-information:

KODAK sells LOTS of different paper for INKJETS not just for their own
printers (thermal), that said, I have YET to get any good results with
any of their paper... I dont know what inkjet printer they are making it
for, but it shows poor performance for me with:

HP PhotoSmart 7350 and 7550 and 130
Epson Photo 785 EPX
Epson Photo 825
Canon S820
Canon i950

I re-fill all the carts for the above printers using ink specific for
each printer from www.inksupply.com which is MIS Associates and a cart
re-setter from the same source.

Properly re-filling EPSON cartridges is NOT for the faint hearted or the
lazy or for anyone not handy with tools (or for anyone not wanting ink
on their fingers). Re-filling Epson carts is ONLY for people (like
myself) who have LOTS of time to spend preparing the carts (sucking out
the foam in the sponge every other time you refill) and measuring the
amount you put into the cart.

Until I got my newest printer (Canon i950) I would ONLY consider using
the Epson Stylus Photo series for finished prints. I have MANY prints
from both the Epson original inks and the re-fill inks. I cant tell
them apart unless I look on the back where I always list the printer
used the ink used, and the paper used, as well as the date printed.

I use a number code so the back isnt messy with notes..1,1,1,3,1 would
be the Epson 785 printer (first digit) MIS Associates ink (second digit)
Red River paper (3rd digit) January 2003 (last 2 digits). The same
picture done with Epson ink would be 1,E,1,3,1.

Since I only use either OEM inks or inks from MIS Associates and 2
brands of paper, the number codes are easy to keep track of.

I stop short of telling people they SHOULD re-fill, but I have had GREAT
results since I started using products from my current source.



Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:30:33 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

=
=
=....I just tried Kodak Premium Picture (satin) paper on an Epson 785EPX.
= I do not like the results at all. Results in an uneven texture in the
=ink with ~ 1mm "circles" of ink on the paper. From a couple feet away
=it is hardly noticeable ... but very different up close compared to the
=Epson glossy photo paper. Are all Kodak papers like this?

The paper-ink combination is crucial for print quality,
colour balance, and longevity. paper is quite complex
chemically, and so is ink. The two react with each other,
and even though the reaction is very slight, it's enough to
affect all those properties.

=....Carts. Ouch, don't they go by quick! Question is... are the "cheap"
=refill kits able to give the same quality image as the "Epson" carts.
=(T008 in this case). Has anyone done a serious comparison?

Short answer: for printing docs and pix for short-term use,
3rd party inks are OK. If you want durability, no.

For comparisons, see:
www.wilhelm-research.com

Very interesting and informative site.

--
Wolf Kirchmeir
If you didn't want to go to Chicago, why did you get on the train?
(Garrison Keillor)
just one w and plain ca for correct e-mail address

Safetymom123 wrote:

Kodak papers are made for thermal printers which Epson is not. You may need
to play with settings. Personally I prefer OEM inks but others will tell
you how they love aftermarket inks.

The Kodak paper I have is marked 'for all injet printers'.

Buck, thanks for the very informative reply.

See the reply from Wolf ... he has a link to a test report that is scary
wrt 3rd party.

My printing is mainly photographic ... so it looks like I'm enslaved to
Epson for the time being. I'll just make smaller proofs and work harder
at the color matching profiles.

Cheers,
Alan.

buck wrote:

In article ,
says...

Kodak papers are made for thermal printers which Epson is not. You may need
to play with settings. Personally I prefer OEM inks but others will tell
you how they love aftermarket inks.

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
. ..


...I just tried Kodak Premium Picture (satin) paper on an Epson 785EPX.
I do not like the results at all. Results in an uneven texture in the
ink with ~ 1mm "circles" of ink on the paper. From a couple feet away
it is hardly noticeable ... but very different up close compared to the
Epson glossy photo paper. Are all Kodak papers like this?



...Carts. Ouch, don't they go by quick! Question is... are the "cheap"
refill kits able to give the same quality image as the "Epson" carts.
(T008 in this case). Has anyone done a serious comparison?



Thanks in advance,
Alan.






Epson 785 EPX prints well on most glossy paper if it is set to glossy
FILM instead of glossy PAPER (for me at least). I only set it to glossy
PAPER if Im using Epson Paper (which I seldom do)

To correct some miss-information:

KODAK sells LOTS of different paper for INKJETS not just for their own
printers (thermal), that said, I have YET to get any good results with
any of their paper... I dont know what inkjet printer they are making it
for, but it shows poor performance for me with:

HP PhotoSmart 7350 and 7550 and 130
Epson Photo 785 EPX
Epson Photo 825
Canon S820
Canon i950

I re-fill all the carts for the above printers using ink specific for
each printer from www.inksupply.com which is MIS Associates and a cart
re-setter from the same source.

Properly re-filling EPSON cartridges is NOT for the faint hearted or the
lazy or for anyone not handy with tools (or for anyone not wanting ink
on their fingers). Re-filling Epson carts is ONLY for people (like
myself) who have LOTS of time to spend preparing the carts (sucking out
the foam in the sponge every other time you refill) and measuring the
amount you put into the cart.

Until I got my newest printer (Canon i950) I would ONLY consider using
the Epson Stylus Photo series for finished prints. I have MANY prints
from both the Epson original inks and the re-fill inks. I cant tell
them apart unless I look on the back where I always list the printer
used the ink used, and the paper used, as well as the date printed.

I use a number code so the back isnt messy with notes..1,1,1,3,1 would
be the Epson 785 printer (first digit) MIS Associates ink (second digit)
Red River paper (3rd digit) January 2003 (last 2 digits). The same
picture done with Epson ink would be 1,E,1,3,1.

Since I only use either OEM inks or inks from MIS Associates and 2
brands of paper, the number codes are easy to keep track of.

I stop short of telling people they SHOULD re-fill, but I have had GREAT
results since I started using products from my current source.



Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct

Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:30:33 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:


For comparisons, see:
www.wilhelm-research.com

Very interesting and informative site.


Yes, it is. thanks, Alan.

Have you tried the paper yet? I talked with a Kodak engineer and this is
what he told me. I also printed on Epson and Kodak and got a much better
print using Epson paper. Cost is the same so why would I sacrifice quality?


"Alan Browne" wrote in message
.. .


Safetymom123 wrote:

Kodak papers are made for thermal printers which Epson is not. You may
need
to play with settings. Personally I prefer OEM inks but others will
tell
you how they love aftermarket inks.

The Kodak paper I have is marked 'for all injet printers'.

In article ,
spam says...
Buck, thanks for the very informative reply.

See the reply from Wolf ... he has a link to a test report that is scary
wrt 3rd party.

My printing is mainly photographic ... so it looks like I'm enslaved to
Epson for the time being. I'll just make smaller proofs and work harder
at the color matching profiles.

Cheers,
Alan.


There are links to websites that will tell you whatever you want to
hear...

I not only use 2nd party inks, I sell the prints (and have been for
several years).. I simply tell my customers to keep the prints under
glass or plastic and out of the sun.. That is the same care you should
give ANY PHOTO!!!

Do you think I would recomend an ink to a stranger if I hadn't been
using it for a while???

Ive got some prints that are VERY old as ink jet prints go... cant tell
you dates as I wasnt dating them at the time, but Ive got a print
hanging on my living room wall (NOT UNDER GLASS but framed) of a 13 year
old girl holding the lead to a horse... She got married after GRADUATING
college and just celebrated her 1st aniversary..

The reason I mention this particular photo is that the print from which
it was scanned is hanging on the oposite wall and the PRINT has faded
MORE than the copy.. I suspect it gets a few more minutes of sun every
week.

This inkjet print was printed on a BJC 600e (when the printer was new)
and it was printed with my very first batch of MIS inks.

The important factor in this issue is THE PAPER.. If you use good paper
your prints will last a VERY long time..

I do own ONE EPSON printer that has never had a re-filled cart in it...
it has had just as many clogs as the others and doesn't print any
prettier. As Enya says "Only Time" will tell if the prints from it last
longer...

Its not so much a matter of MONEY as it is a matter of practicality. If
you get good (or great) results with re-filled carts, why waste money on
cartridges you could be spending on high quality paper????

If some arsefargle wants to tell you that 2nd party inks are a bad
thing, then fine, buy factory carts, but keep in mind I have no interest
in any ink, paper, or printer company, and only speak from experience. I
have been using inkjet printers since the very first ones came on the
market, and I stuck with factory ink for a LONG, LONG time for ALL
brands of printers, as the 2nd party inks were mostly a rip off and
would destroy the printheads on early machines.

I do know that the company I buy ink from has been making ARCHIVAL ink
and selling ARCHIVAL quality paper since BEFORE Epson came up with thier
pigmented inks, so I stay with experience.


Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct.