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Hi folks,
I'm about to start putting together my fourth build, and I'm at the point where I can use mucho advice. The new mchine will be primarily for CPU- intensive stuff, such as high quality audio compression and editing or high definition fractals, and also general "house-office" stuff. I'm not much into games or fast 3-D video, and am not planning to overclock, or not extensively. My present two year old machine, which is getting ncreasingly ragged around the edges, has a Soyo KT400 Dragon and Athlon 1400. I am looking for a decent real world speed improvement, but without the hassles of building to the cutting edge. My highest priority is a stable and trouble free machine made up of tried and tested components. Speed is my next highest priority. Third priority is a quiet system. My budget can stand some moderate upgrading of the components below, if it will mean a better machine. Here is my first and very tentative approximation of how to go about it. Thank you all very much for any input and recommendations about better alternatives, and for pointing out any bottleneck or overkill. MOTHERBOARD: ABIT NF7-S or ASUS A7N8X-E DELUXE Rev.2.0 ? (or possibly GIGABYTE GA-7N400 Pro2 ?) CPU: Barton XP2800 (or XP2500 OC to FSB 400 ?) MEMORY: 2x512MB DDR400 operating as dual channel, HD: Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM DVD WRITER: Dual Layer, 12X or 16X FLOPPY/MEMORY CARD READER: MITSUMI FA404A VIDEO CARD: Chaintech FX20 (GeForce 5200, 128MB) CASE: EVERCASE E4252 CPU SINK/FAN: Speeze WHISPER ROCK II, #5F263B1M3G (2700rpm, 38CFM, 26.5dB) or Speeze "FALCONROCK" #5F286B (2300rpm, 28cfm, 25db) CASE FANS: Back: 12cm, NMB 4710NL-04W-B29 (72cfm, 30dB, will use at 7V) Front: 8cm: Speeze FDC08025S1M, (37.8cfm, 25.0 DB) --- already have: --- POWER SUPPLY: Pc Power and Cooling, 410W HD #2: Hitachi 120GB SOUND CARD: Revolution 7.1 WinXP SP1 Pro |
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![]() building to the cutting edge. My highest priority is a stable and trouble free machine made up of tried and tested components. Speed is my next highest priority. Third priority is a quiet system. My budget can stand some moderate upgrading of the components below, if it will mean a better machine. Here is my first and very tentative approximation of how to go about it. Thank you all very much for any input and recommendations about better alternatives, and for pointing out any bottleneck or overkill. MOTHERBOARD: ABIT NF7-S or ASUS A7N8X-E DELUXE Rev.2.0 ? (or possibly GIGABYTE GA-7N400 Pro2 ?) CPU: Barton XP2800 (or XP2500 OC to FSB 400 ?) MEMORY: 2x512MB DDR400 operating as dual channel, HD: Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM DVD WRITER: Dual Layer, 12X or 16X FLOPPY/MEMORY CARD READER: MITSUMI FA404A VIDEO CARD: Chaintech FX20 (GeForce 5200, 128MB) CASE: EVERCASE E4252 OK, you have some goals that conflict with each other, and some components that conflict with your goals. If your power supply is fairly new and has SATA and P4 connectors like this one he http://www.pcpowercooling.com/produc...cers/index.htm Then that's a good start. Otherwise, I'd suggest a newer power supply. It's generally not a good idea to recycle a power supply into a new system, as the power supply is the most frequent failure point, and it is the only component that is likely to "kill" other components WHEN (not if) it fails. Stability is your first priority, but oddly you are entertaining the idea of possibly overclocking. You can have stability or overclocking, one OR the other. Don't listen to the idiots who will scream that it's possible to do both. (don't count on being that lucky . . . ) Speed is your 2nd priority, but you are looking at possibly going from Athlon XP to Athlon XP. Generally, an increase in clock speed will not translate to a noticeably faster system. If you're going to spend money on an upgrade, do it in a way that will translate to a faster system. Quiet is your third goal, but if you stick with the Athlon XP platform (don't do it), you've already honed in on two motherboards that have really noisy cooling fans on their northbridge chipsets. A fan on the northbridge is not necessary, not even for overclocking (which you are NOT going to do, RIGHT?!?), and it just adds tons of noise to the system. Choose a mainboard that is passively cooled, you will have plenty of choice there. If you want to accomplish your goal of higher speed, you need to set your sights just a tad higher. Look for an 800FSB P4 processor on just about ANY (passively cooled) motherboard that will handle it. Or if your budget can stretch that far, jump straight to an Athlon 64 in the ~3200 ~3500 range. Again, for the Athlon64, find a passively cooled mainboard. While your choice of video card was a good match for the system you originally envisioned, it would be somewhat of a bottleneck for anything faster. I'd suggest something like the Sappire Radeon 9600 or Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT (be sure to get a passively cooled one!). While those aren't cutting edge either, they won't be quite as much of a bottleneck as a 5200. Plus, they are silent. Just be aware that different versions exist, and choose one without a cooling fan. -Dave |
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Dave, you need to educate yourself
on a topic before calling people idiots. -- Mac Cool If fifteen bazillion people do something stupid, that doesn't mean it's a good idea for you to do it, also. If someone is looking for stability, they should NOT be overclocking. Unfortunately, lots of people will probably advise them to do JUST that. -Dave |
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The new mchine will be primarily for CPU- intensive stuff, such as high quality audio compression and editing or high definition fractals, and also general "house-office" stuff. I'm not much into games or fast 3-D video, and am not planning to overclock, or not extensively. My present two year old machine ... Athlon 1400. This was outdated two years ago. MOTHERBOARD: MSI K8N NEO Platinum CPU: Barton XP2800 (or XP2500 OC to FSB 400 ?) Bump up to an Athlon64 3000+ or 3200+ -- Mac Cool |
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Dave C. wrote:
Dave, you need to educate yourself on a topic before calling people idiots. -- Mac Cool If fifteen bazillion people do something stupid, that doesn't mean it's a good idea for you to do it, also. If someone is looking for stability, they should NOT be overclocking. Unfortunately, lots of people will probably advise them to do JUST that. -Dave Another case of knowing how to do something making all the difference. When done properly, overclocked machines are just as stable as any other system. |
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![]() David Maynard wrote: Dave C. wrote: Dave, you need to educate yourself on a topic before calling people idiots. -- Mac Cool If fifteen bazillion people do something stupid, that doesn't mean it's a good idea for you to do it, also. If someone is looking for stability, they should NOT be overclocking. Unfortunately, lots of people will probably advise them to do JUST that. -Dave Another case of knowing how to do something making all the difference. When done properly, overclocked machines are just as stable as any other system. Are you saying that processor makers are arbitrary and capricious when assigning processor ratings? There are reasons for those ratings. There are also reasons for assigning spped limits on roads. While someone might be able to drive somewhat above the speed limit without having an accident, the probability of an accident occuring is greater if they exceed the speed limit. |
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JK wrote:
David Maynard wrote: Dave C. wrote: Dave, you need to educate yourself on a topic before calling people idiots. -- Mac Cool If fifteen bazillion people do something stupid, that doesn't mean it's a good idea for you to do it, also. If someone is looking for stability, they should NOT be overclocking. Unfortunately, lots of people will probably advise them to do JUST that. -Dave Another case of knowing how to do something making all the difference. When done properly, overclocked machines are just as stable as any other system. Are you saying that processor makers are arbitrary and capricious when assigning processor ratings? No, I didn't say that and there's nothing 'arbitrary' or 'capricious' about it. While there are no guarantees, both Intel and AMD routinely sell processors with speed ratings below the actual capability of the chip. There are reasons for those ratings. Yes there are. Many, in fact, over a range of considerations, of which clock speed is only one, and part of the overclocking art is knowing what they are and the tradeoffs involved. There are also reasons for assigning spped limits on roads. While someone might be able to drive somewhat above the speed limit without having an accident, the probability of an accident occuring is greater if they exceed the speed limit. Fortunately, processors are not automobiles driven by error prone humans on a than perfect road system. |
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![]() Another case of knowing how to do something making all the difference. When done properly, overclocked machines are just as stable as any other system. If your mechanic tells you not to start your engine with no oil in it, WOULD YOU? Now what if 15 bazillion other drivers swore up and down that it was OK to start an engine with no oil in it, and that it runs just fine that way? Hobbyists like to overclock because they don't know any better. How do you tell the hacks from the pros? See who advises you to overclock and who advises you to build a faster computer if that's what you need. Now YOU guess who the professional is. Hint: It aint the guy telling you to start your engine with no oil in it, and it for god damned sure isn't the guy telling you that overclocking is OK because you CAN have a stable system "if you know how". You won't find anyone with any degree of hardware knowledge (REAL hardware knowledge) overclocking a system. I don't have to wonder why, but maybe you should think about that. -Dave |
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Dave C. wrote:
Another case of knowing how to do something making all the difference. When done properly, overclocked machines are just as stable as any other system. If your mechanic tells you not to start your engine with no oil in it, WOULD YOU? Now what if 15 bazillion other drivers swore up and down that it was OK to start an engine with no oil in it, and that it runs just fine that way? No. Now you tell me why you ask silly irrelevant questions. Hobbyists like to overclock because they don't know any better. How do you tell the hacks from the pros? See who advises you to overclock and who advises you to build a faster computer if that's what you need. Now YOU guess who the professional is. I always get a kick out of people who define "professional" as 'the ones who agree with me'. Hint: It aint the guy telling you to start your engine with no oil in it, and it for god damned sure isn't the guy telling you that overclocking is OK because you CAN have a stable system "if you know how". You won't find anyone with any degree of hardware knowledge (REAL hardware knowledge) overclocking a system. You're wrong. I don't have to wonder why, but maybe you should think about that. -Dave While you're wondering maybe you should also wonder about learning something of, as you put it, "REAL hardware knowledge." |
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Hey David Maynard,
are you the David I know? Do you work in the MSSG? ============== Posted through www.HowToFixComputers.com/bb - free access to hardware troubleshooting newsgroups. |
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