OT Interesting Note

Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on
the current state of VISTA?

Kevin Childers wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very
reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and
they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the
business offerings have XP as well as Vista.

Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy hardware
and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a corporate
environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one
application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an
acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying
that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that the
manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY*
expensive *VERY* fast...

I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical
applications that the vendors will not support on Vista.

Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared to
the consumer market....

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote:
Kevin Childers wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his
coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of
makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales
staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative
commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very
reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and
they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the
business offerings have XP as well as Vista.

Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy hardware
and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a corporate
environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one
application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an
acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying
that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that the
manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY*
expensive *VERY* fast...

I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical
applications that the vendors will not support on Vista.

Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared to
the consumer market....

That's been my limited experience with a company I consult for. OS and
software several years behind. Imagine transition cost for a
corporation with thousands of pc's. Other clients pushed me into
upgrading because I would often get in documents, usually latest Word
versions, that I would have to tell producer to go back and save in
earlier version that I can open and read.
Frank

When I retired from the government in January 1998 they were just moving
from DOS to Windows.

Frank wrote:
| That's been my limited experience with a company I consult for. OS
| and software several years behind. Imagine transition cost for a
| corporation with thousands of pc's. Other clients pushed me into
| upgrading because I would often get in documents, usually latest Word
| versions, that I would have to tell producer to go back and save in
| earlier version that I can open and read.
| Frank

Joan F (MI) wrote:
When I retired from the government in January 1998 they were just moving
from DOS to Windows.

snip

The US Government living in the dark?

Please, say it isn't so!

--
Notan

"Notan" notan@ddressthatcanbespammed wrote in message
...
Joan F (MI) wrote:
When I retired from the government in January 1998 they were just moving
from DOS to Windows.

snip

The US Government living in the dark?

Please, say it isn't so!

--
Notan


"It ain't so."

Why do you hate freedom?

-Stew

"Hank Arnold (MVP)" wrote in message
news
Kevin Childers wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers)
are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of
makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales
staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary
on
the current state of VISTA?



It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very
reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and they
have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the business
offerings have XP as well as Vista.

Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy hardware
and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a corporate
environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one application.
In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an acceptable cost to a
consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying that $40 upgrade cost by
100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that the manpower/hardware costs to
do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY* expensive *VERY* fast...

I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical applications
that the vendors will not support on Vista.

Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared to
the consumer market....

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Also look at the options, many consumer machines only offer VISTA as an OS

It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they
do not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating
system. XP was the same way.

Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote:
Kevin Childers wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his
coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of
makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales
staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative
commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very
reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and
they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the
business offerings have XP as well as Vista.

Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy hardware
and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a corporate
environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one
application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an
acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying
that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that the
manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY*
expensive *VERY* fast...

I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical
applications that the vendors will not support on Vista.

Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared to
the consumer market....

Absolutely correct....
--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Barry Watzman wrote:
It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they
do not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating
system. XP was the same way.

Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote:
Kevin Childers wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his
coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort
of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales
staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative
commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very
reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and
they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the
business offerings have XP as well as Vista.

Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy
hardware and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a
corporate environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one
application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an
acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying
that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that
the manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY*
expensive *VERY* fast...

I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical
applications that the vendors will not support on Vista.

Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared
to the consumer market....

"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
...
It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they do
not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating system.
XP was the same way.


snip

I don't remember the distaste for XP as being nearly this pronounced. Yes,
there were issues. But in context, consumers were pretty accepting of XP as
most were eager to leave WinMe. Very eager.

Corporates were either living with NT4 or 5 (Win2K, and some still are) and
were in no rush to migrate.

I don't think many people would argue about the stability and improvement of
WinXP Home over WinMe.

The excitement for Vista has been underwhelming, imo.


Stew