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P4P800 Dlx W2K new SATA?
Hi,
I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID Mirror for data only. I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put some older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point of this post! I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard Disk I use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk being used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 EIDE disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive I've ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig disk into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for my video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is upgraded to include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of the new 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives according to the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have the SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm not really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a google groups search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied it was best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of W2K but trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a nightmare for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of having to do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to convince me to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present setup as-is. Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo with a serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. Thanks in advance for all advice! Ken |
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Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE making
the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it will not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the drive to a new controler. FWIW, Len "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... Hi, I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID Mirror for data only. I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put some older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point of this post! I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard Disk I use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk being used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 EIDE disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive I've ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig disk into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for my video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is upgraded to include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of the new 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives according to the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have the SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm not really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a google groups search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied it was best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of W2K but trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a nightmare for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of having to do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to convince me to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present setup as-is. Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo with a serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. Thanks in advance for all advice! Ken |
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"Len" wrote in message
.. . Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE making the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it will not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the drive to a new controler. FWIW, Len Hi Len, I appreciate your suggestions. My initial idea was to take advantage of the fact that this new Maxtor drive can function as both an SATA and as an IDE drive (has connectors for both plus the SATA function is via a chip rather than native, i.e. this drive is a converted IDE drive) by first putting everything on there with the drive installed as an IDE type drive. I have another HD in the box, currently the slave on the (same) primary IDE channel, that functions solely as the repository for ghost images. I'm assuming that ultimately I would want to switch the cabling and jumpers on this "ghost drive" to make it the primary on that channel if I'm no longer using 2 drives on that channel, because maybe performance would benefit (just guessing on that, might make no difference whatsoever). Anyway, the scenario I had cooked up was to load the SATA drivers on the boot drive (but I'm not sure there are such specifically "sata" drivers for this board/chipset), make a ghost image, then put the ghost image onto the SATA drive partition via the IDE cable, then switch the cabling over to SATA. But from what you are suggesting, which sounds like a great idea, is to first put this drive in as an additional drive, get it recognized by W2K, possibly use this as the opportunity to format it/partition it, then make the ghost image to be redeposited onto the new drive which will become the "C" drive, same as the original IDE drive. What I'm not clear on is what I would need to do to "repair" the boot.ini file. Of course I would change the boot order in the P4P800 BIOS to make the new SATA partition the first boot partition, and I sort of assumed the OS would simply just treat it like it was the old "C" drive, because the old drive would no longer even be in the box. But it sounds like I am missing a step somewhere as involves the boot.ini file. I'm not exactly expecting the machine to get a *huge* performance boost from this, but the Intel controller on the primary/secondary IDE channel is limited to ATA 100 even though the existing drive is ATA-133. By spending $20 or $30 more than I might have gotten an IDE 160GB drive and instead getting this SATA drive, I can *theoretically* pick up, with incredible luck, as much as a 50% on drive function alone. At the same time I'm replacing my ancient recycled P4 and PC2100 DDR RAM, so the total benefit could even possibly be *noticeable.* If you could suggest to me how I might repair the boot.ini file to fit this scenario, I'd greatly appreciate it! TIA, ken "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... Hi, I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID Mirror for data only. I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put some older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point of this post! I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard Disk I use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk being used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 EIDE disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive I've ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig disk into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for my video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is upgraded to include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of the new 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives according to the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have the SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm not really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a google groups search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied it was best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of W2K but trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a nightmare for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of having to do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to convince me to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present setup as-is. Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo with a serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. Thanks in advance for all advice! Ken |
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addendum:
Is there even such a file, called "boot.ini" in W2K?????? I'm visiting family right now, in another state, so I don't have access to my desktop, onto which the SATA drive will be "implanted," but my W2K notebook does not have a "Win.ini" file. In fact, there are no *.ini files of any type in the root directory. My windows explorer setup shows "hidden files," so that is not the problem. I think that boot.ini might be found in older MS operating systems such as W9x. Ken "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... "Len" wrote in message .. . Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE making the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it will not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the drive to a new controler. FWIW, Len Hi Len, I appreciate your suggestions. My initial idea was to take advantage of the fact that this new Maxtor drive can function as both an SATA and as an IDE drive (has connectors for both plus the SATA function is via a chip rather than native, i.e. this drive is a converted IDE drive) by first putting everything on there with the drive installed as an IDE type drive. I have another HD in the box, currently the slave on the (same) primary IDE channel, that functions solely as the repository for ghost images. I'm assuming that ultimately I would want to switch the cabling and jumpers on this "ghost drive" to make it the primary on that channel if I'm no longer using 2 drives on that channel, because maybe performance would benefit (just guessing on that, might make no difference whatsoever). Anyway, the scenario I had cooked up was to load the SATA drivers on the boot drive (but I'm not sure there are such specifically "sata" drivers for this board/chipset), make a ghost image, then put the ghost image onto the SATA drive partition via the IDE cable, then switch the cabling over to SATA. But from what you are suggesting, which sounds like a great idea, is to first put this drive in as an additional drive, get it recognized by W2K, possibly use this as the opportunity to format it/partition it, then make the ghost image to be redeposited onto the new drive which will become the "C" drive, same as the original IDE drive. What I'm not clear on is what I would need to do to "repair" the boot.ini file. Of course I would change the boot order in the P4P800 BIOS to make the new SATA partition the first boot partition, and I sort of assumed the OS would simply just treat it like it was the old "C" drive, because the old drive would no longer even be in the box. But it sounds like I am missing a step somewhere as involves the boot.ini file. I'm not exactly expecting the machine to get a *huge* performance boost from this, but the Intel controller on the primary/secondary IDE channel is limited to ATA 100 even though the existing drive is ATA-133. By spending $20 or $30 more than I might have gotten an IDE 160GB drive and instead getting this SATA drive, I can *theoretically* pick up, with incredible luck, as much as a 50% on drive function alone. At the same time I'm replacing my ancient recycled P4 and PC2100 DDR RAM, so the total benefit could even possibly be *noticeable.* If you could suggest to me how I might repair the boot.ini file to fit this scenario, I'd greatly appreciate it! TIA, ken "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... Hi, I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID Mirror for data only. I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put some older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point of this post! I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard Disk I use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk being used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 EIDE disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive I've ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig disk into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for my video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is upgraded to include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of the new 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives according to the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have the SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm not really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a google groups search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied it was best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of W2K but trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a nightmare for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of having to do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to convince me to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present setup as-is. Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo with a serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. Thanks in advance for all advice! Ken |
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boot.ini in on the root of your system drive in w2k, winxp....don't remember
about win98 -- ------Splitskull----- "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... | addendum: | | Is there even such a file, called "boot.ini" in W2K?????? | | I'm visiting family right now, in another state, so I don't have access to | my desktop, onto which the SATA drive will be "implanted," but my W2K | notebook does not have a "Win.ini" file. In fact, there are no *.ini files | of any type in the root directory. My windows explorer setup shows "hidden | files," so that is not the problem. I think that boot.ini might be found in | older MS operating systems such as W9x. | | Ken | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | "Len" wrote in message | .. . | Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE | making | the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it | will | not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the | drive to a new controler. | | FWIW, | Len | | Hi Len, | | I appreciate your suggestions. My initial idea was to take advantage of | the | fact that this new Maxtor drive can function as both an SATA and as an IDE | drive (has connectors for both plus the SATA function is via a chip rather | than native, i.e. this drive is a converted IDE drive) by first putting | everything on there with the drive installed as an IDE type drive. I have | another HD in the box, currently the slave on the (same) primary IDE | channel, that functions solely as the repository for ghost images. I'm | assuming that ultimately I would want to switch the cabling and jumpers on | this "ghost drive" to make it the primary on that channel if I'm no longer | using 2 drives on that channel, because maybe performance would benefit | (just guessing on that, might make no difference whatsoever). | | Anyway, the scenario I had cooked up was to load the SATA drivers on the | boot drive (but I'm not sure there are such specifically "sata" drivers | for | this board/chipset), make a ghost image, then put the ghost image onto the | SATA drive partition via the IDE cable, then switch the cabling over to | SATA. But from what you are suggesting, which sounds like a great idea, | is | to first put this drive in as an additional drive, get it recognized by | W2K, | possibly use this as the opportunity to format it/partition it, then make | the ghost image to be redeposited onto the new drive which will become the | "C" drive, same as the original IDE drive. | | What I'm not clear on is what I would need to do to "repair" the boot.ini | file. Of course I would change the boot order in the P4P800 BIOS to make | the new SATA partition the first boot partition, and I sort of assumed the | OS would simply just treat it like it was the old "C" drive, because the | old | drive would no longer even be in the box. | | But it sounds like I am missing a step somewhere as involves the boot.ini | file. | | I'm not exactly expecting the machine to get a *huge* performance boost | from | this, but the Intel controller on the primary/secondary IDE channel is | limited to ATA 100 even though the existing drive is ATA-133. By spending | $20 or $30 more than I might have gotten an IDE 160GB drive and instead | getting this SATA drive, I can *theoretically* pick up, with incredible | luck, as much as a 50% on drive function alone. At the same time I'm | replacing my ancient recycled P4 and PC2100 DDR RAM, so the total benefit | could even possibly be *noticeable.* | | If you could suggest to me how I might repair the boot.ini file to fit | this | scenario, I'd greatly appreciate it! | | TIA, | | ken | | | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | Hi, | | I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID | Mirror | for data only. | | I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put | some | older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point | of | this post! | | I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard | Disk | I | use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk | being | used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 | EIDE | disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive | I've | ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig | disk | into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for | my | video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is | upgraded | to | include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. | | Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old | system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of | the | new | 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives | according | to | the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have | the | SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA | driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm | not | really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a google | groups | search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied | it | was | best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of | W2K | but | trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a | nightmare | for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of | having | to | do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to | convince | me | to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present | setup | as-is. | | Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most | appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo | with | a | serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. | | Thanks in advance for all advice! | | Ken | | | | | | | | |
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"Splitskull" wrote in message
... boot.ini in on the root of your system drive in w2k, winxp....don't remember about win98 I don't think so ----- It is present on the installation Win2K CD ROM, I think. It is not anywhere on my C: (system) drive either on my W2K notebook nor (now after checking) on my desktop. And yes, I have my system set up to allow viewing of "hidden files" in windows explorer. I have searched for this file both with the seach function in Windows explorer, and manually in the C: root directory as well as in Winnt ken -- ------Splitskull----- "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... | addendum: | | Is there even such a file, called "boot.ini" in W2K?????? | | I'm visiting family right now, in another state, so I don't have access to | my desktop, onto which the SATA drive will be "implanted," but my W2K | notebook does not have a "Win.ini" file. In fact, there are no *.ini files | of any type in the root directory. My windows explorer setup shows "hidden | files," so that is not the problem. I think that boot.ini might be found in | older MS operating systems such as W9x. | | Ken | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | "Len" wrote in message | .. . | Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE | making | the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it | will | not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the | drive to a new controler. | | FWIW, | Len | | Hi Len, | | I appreciate your suggestions. My initial idea was to take advantage of | the | fact that this new Maxtor drive can function as both an SATA and as an IDE | drive (has connectors for both plus the SATA function is via a chip rather | than native, i.e. this drive is a converted IDE drive) by first putting | everything on there with the drive installed as an IDE type drive. I have | another HD in the box, currently the slave on the (same) primary IDE | channel, that functions solely as the repository for ghost images. I'm | assuming that ultimately I would want to switch the cabling and jumpers on | this "ghost drive" to make it the primary on that channel if I'm no longer | using 2 drives on that channel, because maybe performance would benefit | (just guessing on that, might make no difference whatsoever). | | Anyway, the scenario I had cooked up was to load the SATA drivers on the | boot drive (but I'm not sure there are such specifically "sata" drivers | for | this board/chipset), make a ghost image, then put the ghost image onto the | SATA drive partition via the IDE cable, then switch the cabling over to | SATA. But from what you are suggesting, which sounds like a great idea, | is | to first put this drive in as an additional drive, get it recognized by | W2K, | possibly use this as the opportunity to format it/partition it, then make | the ghost image to be redeposited onto the new drive which will become the | "C" drive, same as the original IDE drive. | | What I'm not clear on is what I would need to do to "repair" the boot.ini | file. Of course I would change the boot order in the P4P800 BIOS to make | the new SATA partition the first boot partition, and I sort of assumed the | OS would simply just treat it like it was the old "C" drive, because the | old | drive would no longer even be in the box. | | But it sounds like I am missing a step somewhere as involves the boot.ini | file. | | I'm not exactly expecting the machine to get a *huge* performance boost | from | this, but the Intel controller on the primary/secondary IDE channel is | limited to ATA 100 even though the existing drive is ATA-133. By spending | $20 or $30 more than I might have gotten an IDE 160GB drive and instead | getting this SATA drive, I can *theoretically* pick up, with incredible | luck, as much as a 50% on drive function alone. At the same time I'm | replacing my ancient recycled P4 and PC2100 DDR RAM, so the total benefit | could even possibly be *noticeable.* | | If you could suggest to me how I might repair the boot.ini file to fit | this | scenario, I'd greatly appreciate it! | | TIA, | | ken | | | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | Hi, | | I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID | Mirror | for data only. | | I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put | some | older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point | of | this post! | | I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard | Disk | I | use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk | being | used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 | EIDE | disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive | I've | ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig | disk | into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for | my | video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is | upgraded | to | include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. | | Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old | system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of | the | new | 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives | according | to | the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have | the | SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA | driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm | not | really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a | groups | search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied | it | was | best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of | W2K | but | trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a | nightmare | for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of | having | to | do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to | convince | me | to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present | setup | as-is. | | Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most | appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo | with | a | serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. | | Thanks in advance for all advice! | | Ken | | | | | | | | |
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Here is the boot.ini file used by my W2K install (2nd OS) but without
multi-boot: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microso ft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect If you do not have a file of this type in the root of your HD then I have no clue how W2K or XP for that matter would know its "home" partition. That is the function of this file - to tell the OS where its start-up files are. FWIW, Len "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... "Splitskull" wrote in message ... boot.ini in on the root of your system drive in w2k, winxp....don't remember about win98 I don't think so ----- It is present on the installation Win2K CD ROM, I think. It is not anywhere on my C: (system) drive either on my W2K notebook nor (now after checking) on my desktop. And yes, I have my system set up to allow viewing of "hidden files" in windows explorer. I have searched for this file both with the seach function in Windows explorer, and manually in the C: root directory as well as in Winnt ken -- ------Splitskull----- "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... | addendum: | | Is there even such a file, called "boot.ini" in W2K?????? | | I'm visiting family right now, in another state, so I don't have access to | my desktop, onto which the SATA drive will be "implanted," but my W2K | notebook does not have a "Win.ini" file. In fact, there are no *.ini files | of any type in the root directory. My windows explorer setup shows "hidden | files," so that is not the problem. I think that boot.ini might be found in | older MS operating systems such as W9x. | | Ken | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | "Len" wrote in message | .. . | Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE | making | the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it | will | not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the | drive to a new controler. | | FWIW, | Len | | Hi Len, | | I appreciate your suggestions. My initial idea was to take advantage of | the | fact that this new Maxtor drive can function as both an SATA and as an IDE | drive (has connectors for both plus the SATA function is via a chip rather | than native, i.e. this drive is a converted IDE drive) by first putting | everything on there with the drive installed as an IDE type drive. I have | another HD in the box, currently the slave on the (same) primary IDE | channel, that functions solely as the repository for ghost images. I'm | assuming that ultimately I would want to switch the cabling and jumpers on | this "ghost drive" to make it the primary on that channel if I'm no longer | using 2 drives on that channel, because maybe performance would benefit | (just guessing on that, might make no difference whatsoever). | | Anyway, the scenario I had cooked up was to load the SATA drivers on the | boot drive (but I'm not sure there are such specifically "sata" drivers | for | this board/chipset), make a ghost image, then put the ghost image onto the | SATA drive partition via the IDE cable, then switch the cabling over to | SATA. But from what you are suggesting, which sounds like a great idea, | is | to first put this drive in as an additional drive, get it recognized by | W2K, | possibly use this as the opportunity to format it/partition it, then make | the ghost image to be redeposited onto the new drive which will become the | "C" drive, same as the original IDE drive. | | What I'm not clear on is what I would need to do to "repair" the boot.ini | file. Of course I would change the boot order in the P4P800 BIOS to make | the new SATA partition the first boot partition, and I sort of assumed the | OS would simply just treat it like it was the old "C" drive, because the | old | drive would no longer even be in the box. | | But it sounds like I am missing a step somewhere as involves the boot.ini | file. | | I'm not exactly expecting the machine to get a *huge* performance boost | from | this, but the Intel controller on the primary/secondary IDE channel is | limited to ATA 100 even though the existing drive is ATA-133. By spending | $20 or $30 more than I might have gotten an IDE 160GB drive and instead | getting this SATA drive, I can *theoretically* pick up, with incredible | luck, as much as a 50% on drive function alone. At the same time I'm | replacing my ancient recycled P4 and PC2100 DDR RAM, so the total benefit | could even possibly be *noticeable.* | | If you could suggest to me how I might repair the boot.ini file to fit | this | scenario, I'd greatly appreciate it! | | TIA, | | ken | | | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | Hi, | | I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID | Mirror | for data only. | | I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put | some | older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point | of | this post! | | I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard | Disk | I | use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk | being | used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 | EIDE | disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive | I've | ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig | disk | into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for | my | video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is | upgraded | to | include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. | | Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old | system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of | the | new | 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives | according | to | the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have | the | SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA | driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm | not | really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a | groups | search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied | it | was | best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of | W2K | but | trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a | nightmare | for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of | having | to | do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to | convince | me | to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present | setup | as-is. | | Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most | appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo | with | a | serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. | | Thanks in advance for all advice! | | Ken | | | | | | | | |
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Hi Len,
Using Sandra I did find a boot.ini last night on my root directory, and it has similar content to what you posted. For some reason it doesn't show up or did not show up when I looked for it under W2K. I'd assume I could edit it within a dos window using the old "edit" program. Presumably I'll just have to figure out what disk number is being assigned by the OS which may take some trial and error. A project for next week when the disk arrives! Thanks, ken "Len" wrote in message t... Here is the boot.ini file used by my W2K install (2nd OS) but without multi-boot: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microso ft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect If you do not have a file of this type in the root of your HD then I have no clue how W2K or XP for that matter would know its "home" partition. That is the function of this file - to tell the OS where its start-up files are. FWIW, Len "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... "Splitskull" wrote in message ... boot.ini in on the root of your system drive in w2k, winxp....don't remember about win98 I don't think so ----- It is present on the installation Win2K CD ROM, I think. It is not anywhere on my C: (system) drive either on my W2K notebook nor (now after checking) on my desktop. And yes, I have my system set up to allow viewing of "hidden files" in windows explorer. I have searched for this file both with the seach function in Windows explorer, and manually in the C: root directory as well as in Winnt ken -- ------Splitskull----- "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... | addendum: | | Is there even such a file, called "boot.ini" in W2K?????? | | I'm visiting family right now, in another state, so I don't have access to | my desktop, onto which the SATA drive will be "implanted," but my W2K | notebook does not have a "Win.ini" file. In fact, there are no *.ini files | of any type in the root directory. My windows explorer setup shows "hidden | files," so that is not the problem. I think that boot.ini might be found in | older MS operating systems such as W9x. | | Ken | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | "Len" wrote in message | .. . | Have you considered enabling SATA and installing the driver BEFORE | making | the image for Ghost? You will also have to repair the boot.ini as it | will | not be looking in the proper location for boot files once you change the | drive to a new controler. | | FWIW, | Len | | Hi Len, | | I appreciate your suggestions. My initial idea was to take advantage of | the | fact that this new Maxtor drive can function as both an SATA and as an IDE | drive (has connectors for both plus the SATA function is via a chip rather | than native, i.e. this drive is a converted IDE drive) by first putting | everything on there with the drive installed as an IDE type drive. I have | another HD in the box, currently the slave on the (same) primary IDE | channel, that functions solely as the repository for ghost images. I'm | assuming that ultimately I would want to switch the cabling and jumpers on | this "ghost drive" to make it the primary on that channel if I'm no longer | using 2 drives on that channel, because maybe performance would benefit | (just guessing on that, might make no difference whatsoever). | | Anyway, the scenario I had cooked up was to load the SATA drivers on the | boot drive (but I'm not sure there are such specifically "sata" drivers | for | this board/chipset), make a ghost image, then put the ghost image onto the | SATA drive partition via the IDE cable, then switch the cabling over to | SATA. But from what you are suggesting, which sounds like a great idea, | is | to first put this drive in as an additional drive, get it recognized by | W2K, | possibly use this as the opportunity to format it/partition it, then make | the ghost image to be redeposited onto the new drive which will become the | "C" drive, same as the original IDE drive. | | What I'm not clear on is what I would need to do to "repair" the boot.ini | file. Of course I would change the boot order in the P4P800 BIOS to make | the new SATA partition the first boot partition, and I sort of assumed the | OS would simply just treat it like it was the old "C" drive, because the | old | drive would no longer even be in the box. | | But it sounds like I am missing a step somewhere as involves the boot.ini | file. | | I'm not exactly expecting the machine to get a *huge* performance boost | from | this, but the Intel controller on the primary/secondary IDE channel is | limited to ATA 100 even though the existing drive is ATA-133. By spending | $20 or $30 more than I might have gotten an IDE 160GB drive and instead | getting this SATA drive, I can *theoretically* pick up, with incredible | luck, as much as a 50% on drive function alone. At the same time I'm | replacing my ancient recycled P4 and PC2100 DDR RAM, so the total benefit | could even possibly be *noticeable.* | | If you could suggest to me how I might repair the boot.ini file to fit | this | scenario, I'd greatly appreciate it! | | TIA, | | ken | | | | | | "Ken Fox" wrote in message | ... | Hi, | | I've got a P4P800 Deluxe running well now with 4 HDs including a RAID | Mirror | for data only. | | I'm building another system, a SFF box, into which I'm going to put | some | older components, to try to learn about Linux, which is not the point | of | this post! | | I decided to take this opportunity to swap out the 120gig EIDE Hard | Disk | I | use for my system partition, with the rest (the majority) of the disk | being | used for storing large video files. My plan is to swap out the 120 | EIDE | disk and replace it with a Maxtor 160gig 7200 RPM 8MB cache SATA drive | I've | ordered from Newegg. Presumably I would plan to partition this 160gig | disk | into a 30 or 35GB system/boot partition for W2K, and use the rest for | my | video files in a separate partition. Currently my W2K system is | upgraded | to | include all service packs (SP4) plus patches to date. | | Anyway, I was intending to use an image (Norton Ghost 2003) of my old | system partition and to put it back onto the new system partition of | the | new | 160GB SATA drive. Norton Ghost is compatible with SATA drives | according | to | the Symantec knowledge base. My understanding is that I need to have | the | SATA driver loaded but as far as I can tell there is no separate SATA | driver, merely the Intel chipset driver includes this driver. But I'm | not | really sure about this nor can I find the answer to this in a | groups | search of this and other ngs. I did read a post or two that implied | it | was | best to have installed the SATA driver during the initial install of | W2K | but | trying to do that now with all my other programs loaded would be a | nightmare | for this system that is only 6 weeks old at most! The thought of | having | to | do THAT (complete reinstall of all software) would be enough to | convince | me | to put the sata drive in the new SFF system and leave the present | setup | as-is. | | Any advice on how best to proceed with this situation would be most | appreciated. My SATA drive will be installed directly to the mobo | with | a | serial drive cable, not through an add-on card. | | Thanks in advance for all advice! | | Ken | | | | | | | | |
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This is a followup to my original question about swapping out an IDE drive
and replacing it with a new SATA drive. After posting my question here, I decided to post it also in the Windows 2000 ng on the chance that someone else there had suggestions. I did not get any responses to my question, but then proceeded to experiment with the new drive. I was able to successfully do the swap, and surprisingly the issues of the "boot.ini" file and the SATA driver turned into non-issues. W2K appears to have repaired the boot.ini file itself, and the SATA driver must have been on my system all along, having been loaded when I put all the chipset and other drivers in on my 2-month old P4P800 Deluxe i865 and ICH5 based mobo on the fresh W2K install I did 2 months ago; if they weren't there initially, they must have gotten put on there from SP4. In any event, it all works. I very much appreciate the suggestions I got here from ng participants, as well! I typed up a detailed description of what happened, in the W2K ng., and being the lazy slothful person that I am, I decided to just paste it in here. At the bottom you will see the original questions I posed to the W2K ng. Hope this helps some anonymous future google archives searcher! ken ******** W2K ng post is pasted in below: ********** I'm posting a follow up because some other poor soul may find themselves in the same position as I did, and all the googling, knowledge base, and other searching beforehand yielded no useful information. I hope that someone else may benefit from my experience. As described below, my task was to take an already installed W2K installation and to replace a 120GB Maxtor 7200RPM IDE drive (part of which was the system partition) with a 160GB Maxtor SATA drive, both the 8MB variety. The existing installation had the first IDE drive partitioned into 2 primary drives, drive "C," the boot and system drive, and drive "K," my repository for video files (mostly TV programs from my add-in Wintek PVR card). Drive "C" was about 35gig with the rest given to the "K" partition. I should note that my system, with an Asus P4P800Deluxe mobo, has 4 hard drives in it with two of them in a RAID Mirror configuration off a Via controller. I had been told previously that I would have a hell of a time accomplishing the SATA install from a ghost image, because the "boot.ini" file would reference the wrong drive, and also there was a need for a SATA driver that needs to be installed early on in the install process using "F6" when other drivers are requested during W2K install. I spent about 3 hours trying to get the whole thing to work with varying combinations of drives active at a given time, attempts made to edit the "boot.ini" file, attempts made to load SATA drivers I'd downloaded elsewhere, etc., etc. I was about to either give up or jump off a high bridge, however there aren't any high bridges where I live so this would have had to wait :-) In the end, out of desperation, as a last ditch effort, I simply removed the old 120GB IDE drive altogether, booted from a Norton Ghost boot floppy, then once again installed a ghosted version of the system partition onto what was destined to be the new "C" drive, e.g. the first and smaller partition on the SATA drive. I should add that Norton Ghost 2003 never had any difficulty recognizing the SATA drive from the first time I put the drive in the box. When I booted back up, windows booted from the sata drive, recognized the new hardware, in fact re-recognized about half the stuff in my box that had not changed at all in location, then indicated it needed a reboot. After rebooting, low and behold, the first partition of the new SATA drive had been correctly labelled as the "C" drive, and everything worked. There were no problem devices in the system in device manager. Obviously, as this process is going on one needs to check the bios to be sure the bios knows that it is to boot from the new SATA drive, or the system won't boot, and since this will be a new drive in the system, you need to check and modify that if necessary. Obviously, the SATA driver got loaded with the Intel chipset drivers (i865, ICH5) from the intial installation so they were already there but not being used until now. Once the drive image was put back onto the new active partition system disk, drive "C," Windows 2K sorted it all out, both as regards boot.ini and the SATA driver, not to mention drive letter assignments. What I can't say at this point without using the system longer is that I notice an improvement in speed; I just haven't used the system enough yet to tell. Also, it is possible that somewhere down the road some incompatibilities, lost dlls, lost files, whatever, might rear their ugly heads. But at this point it seems like everything is very much functioning properly. So, if you decide to upgrade your system by replacing the active partition from an IDE to a SATA drive, on a pre-existent install, you might very well get away with it by using a competent drive imaging program such as Ghost. Finally, one small problem presented itself that I was able to rectify due to the fact that I hold onto old computer parts I no longer need; it helps to have a basement to store this sort of crap! The Hard disk bays are too short in my box (Aspire X-Alien) to accomodate a SATA drive plus the straight drive SATA connectors provided with my mobo. The more elegent solution to this problem is to buy an angled connector but I don't have any and I live in a rural area so it would have taken time to get one. Instead, I put the drive into a spare 5" drive bay, with use of one of those 3.5-5" conversion rail kits. Sometimes it pays to be a hoarder, and sometimes it pays to have a large full tower case! Good luck, Hope this helps somebody out there eventually, that is what google groups archives are for! ken "Ken Fox" wrote in message ... Hi, I've got a perplexing problem to which there may be no solution. Having looked around in several ngs and having googled a bit, I can't find a workable solution to this issue which may well present itself to a lot of other people soon. I'm running W2K SP4 with all patches on an Asus P4P800 Deluxe mobo; this has the i865 chip plus I believe ICH5 chip on board. Apparently it is possible wiht a new install to present W2K with a SATA chip driver and to install W2K on a SATA drive as the boot drive. Were that my problem were so simple! What I'd like to do is to take my present system including tons of other software applications, make an image of the boot drive (partition) with Norton Ghost 2003, off my Maxtor 120GB IDE drive, then reinstall the partion onto a Maxtor 160GB SATA drive. The new drive has both IDE and SATA interfaces so I could conceivably partion and format the drive first using the IDE interface, than switch over to the SATA connectors. I'm reluctant/unwilling to reinstall all my software, having had to redo this for this almost new system already just a couple of months ago. I would be willing to do some sort of "repair" installation of W2K if that would work. There are two potential problems I've already read about: (1) Boot.ini will have references to a different disk number and might need to be edited, and, (2) the drivers for the SATA controller (which I can't seem to locate anywhere, which I'm assuming but not sure are a component of the intel driver package for these chips) may need resources that have already been assigned to other hardware and this could be a fatal problem in installing the drivers after the initial W2K install. I don't really know how to edit boot.in although conceivably I could do that in a DOS window. Having tried to get this whole idea to work for a few hours already, I'm about ready to just throw in the towel and use this fairly expensive drive as an IDE drive, which seems a bit of a waste to be honest! Any and all helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks! Ken |
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