Economics of SATA hard drive

Horst Franke nospam@invalid wrote
Rod Speed wrote

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

Hi Rod, don't You think Your copy key bounces?

Nope, and your caps key has a problem anyway.

kony wrote
Warra wrote

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well:
Via 266 mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently
need to add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE
(PATA) because newer mobos will support only SATA.

Newer boards will support at least one PATA channel
because OEMs (and others too) are still using and
preferring PATA optical drives.

Yes, but one PATA channel may well not be enough,
most obviously if you want to have two optical drives,
you're stuffed, no where to put the PATA hard drives.

Plus, the same argument you are making about the need for a
PCI SATA adapter could go the other way- that you buy a PCI
PATA adapter for the next system "IF" it ends up needing one.

Yes, but the newer motherboards tend to be short on card slots too.

If you don't plan on having more than one optical drive in
your next system and plan on purchasing it within at least
the next couple years, it is most likely it will have PATA.

Going with SATA now does give you more future tho.

And you get the better SATA cabling now too.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett)
for about £60 inc delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs
£19. It supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain
as it's one- third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

I don't know what all hardware costs over there, but trying
to equate it based on % of a budget grade drive is a bit
misguided. The card has, as any product does, a certain bit
over overhead in design, manufacture, delivery, marketing,
warranty coverage, etc, etc.

Card can be surprisingly cheap anyway. Clearly
a lot easier to manufacture than a hard drive too.

What viable alternatives do I have?

The best alternative is to buy a PATA drive.

Nope, the best alternative is a cheaper PCI SATA adaptor.

It will be faster than an SATA, because not only will you
be avoiding use of a PCI SATA card (slower because
it's on the PCI bus instead of southbridge integrated as
your PATA controller onboard, is), but ALSO because
your motherboard's Via chipset is known to have a
somewhat low realized PCI throughput.

It isnt exactly a red hot performer, bet he wont even notice.

In other words, your board is among the
worst to use a PCI SATA controller on.

Oh bull****.

Get the PATA drive and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Mad.

Horst Franke nospam@invalid wrote
kony typed

Newer boards will support at least one PATA channel because OEMs (and others too) are
still using and preferring PATA optical drives.

Hi Kony, I aggree.

More fool you.

My last PC bought in Sep 2005 has a SATA HD as bootable device and also IDE connectors
for older HDs. So there's no need for extra adapters!

And some current motherboards only have a single IDE channel.

Plus, the same argument you are making about the need for a
PCI SATA adapter could go the other way- that you buy a PCI
PATA adapter for the next system "IF" it ends up needing
one. If you don't plan on having more than one optical
drive in your next system and plan on purchasing it within
at least the next couple years, it is most likely it will have PATA.

Yes/No, last motherboards have SATA "and" PATA connectors.

And some current motherboards only have a single IDE channel.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc delivery which is
a real bargain.
But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It supports 2 SATA
devices. That is definitely not a bargain as
it's one- third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

No need for SATA if PATA can be connected. Forget it.

No thanks.

The best alternative is to buy a PATA drive. It will be
faster than an SATA, because not only will you be avoiding
use of a PCI SATA card (slower because it's on the PCI bus
instead of southbridge integrated as your PATA controller
onboard, is), but ALSO because your motherboard's Via
chipset is known to have a somewhat low realized PCI
throughput. In other words, your board is among the worst
to use a PCI SATA controller on.

Don't understand. An onboard IDE will make no difference to an extra PCI SATA card on
performance.

He's claiming that a SATA drive and a PCI SATA adaptor
wont perform as well in that system as an IDE drive will.

And newer boards will already have a SATA interface.
I don't see any difference on adapter speeds.

Time for new glasses.

Merrill P. L. Worthington wrote:
Warra wrote:

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need
to add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA)
because newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's
one- third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?



Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When
its time to move to another motherboard, look for one that will
support the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may be
possible to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since
DVDs typically runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably run at
that reduced bandwidth.

Hasnt worked like that for many years now.

BUT the good news is that hard drives rarely transfer data any faster than that except
for burst from cache.

Oh bull****.

Merrill P. L. Worthington wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Merrill P. L. Worthington wrote:

Warra wrote:


Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via
266 mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently
need to add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE
(PATA) because newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60
inc delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It supports 2 SATA
devices. That is definitely not a bargain as
it's one- third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?



Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When its time to move
to another motherboard, look for one that will
support the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may
be possible to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since DVDs typically
runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably
run at that reduced bandwidth. BUT the good news is that hard
drives rarely transfer data any faster than that except for burst
from cache.

What a crock of misinformation!

Ya think? Prove it.

YOU made those stupid pig ignorant claims.

YOU get to do the proving.

THATS how it works.

Horst Franke nospam@invalid wrote:
In Merrill P. L. Worthington typed:
Warra wrote: What viable alternatives do I have?

Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When
its time to move to another motherboard, look for one that will
support the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may be
possible to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since
DVDs typically runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably run at
that reduced bandwidth. BUT the good news is that hard drives rarely
transfer data any faster than that except for burst from cache.

Hi Merill, all motherboards of the last years have PATA connectors!
In addition to SATA connectors.

Some only have one of those.

And also new motherboards provide that interface.

Some only have one of those.

There was no question in using a HD and a CD/DVD in parallel!

There can be with a new motherboard that only has a
single PATA channel if he bought a PATA hard drive now.

You did not respond to Warra's inquery!

Yes he did.

Ed Light wrote:
My PATA HD and DVD are on the same channel and the HD benches up to
its maximum of 40 Mb/S.

Device manager lists them at UDMA 133 and 33. Win XP Home.

Whether this can happen may depend on the bios.

Nope, not anymore.

Horst Franke nospam@invalid wrote:
In news:K6omg.198$lv.167@fed1read12 Ed Light typed:
My PATA HD and DVD are on the same channel and the HD benches up to
its maximum of 40 Mb/S.
Device manager lists them at UDMA 133 and 33. Win XP Home. Whether
this can happen may depend on the bios.

Hi Ed, and what has this to do with the OP's inquery?

He can end up in that situation if he does what you lot
recommend, buy a PATA drive now and later upgrades
to a motherboard which only has a single PATA channel.

He asked about SATA!

And you and others suggested he should go PATA instead.

"Horst Franke" nospam@invalid wrote in message
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In news:K6omg.198$lv.167@fed1read12 Ed Light typed:
My PATA HD and DVD are on the same channel and the HD benches up to
its maximum of 40 Mb/S.
Device manager lists them at UDMA 133 and 33. Win XP Home. Whether
this can happen may depend on the bios.

Hi Ed, and what has this to do with the OP's inquery?
He asked about SATA!
Horst

You missed part of the thread. Though I had some news server problems and
maybe answered a bit off the appropriate sub-thread. Not sure. I had to skip
some messages that wouldn't load.

The OP presently has a pata m/b and doesn't really want a pci sata card. One
alternative suggested was to get a pata drive and later it would still work
on a newer motherboard, then that newer motherboards have only one pata
channel, then that having a hd and dvd on the same channel should drop the
udma speed to the dvd's. Now my post is relevant.


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"Rod Speed" wrote

Yes, but one PATA channel may well not be enough,
most obviously if you want to have two optical drives,
you're stuffed, no where to put the PATA hard drives.

To the rescue!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822998008

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