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Epson vs Canon
Has anyone had experience of both? I notice (after reading a review) that
the 'R' series also has 8 colours, but has lost the PC and PM in favour of an extra black, red and *blue* - and a 'gloss optimiser". The i9950 (which I have) still has PC and PM and the addition of red and *green*. Every review I've read has rated the Canon over the Epson (this was the i990 vs the R800). Does blue make a difference to green and what does the 'gloss optimiser' do? After all, if you want gloss you simply use glossy media, surely?! Or am I missing something? |
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:
Has anyone had experience of both? I notice (after reading a review) that the 'R' series also has 8 colours, but has lost the PC and PM in favour of an extra black, red and *blue* - and a 'gloss optimiser". The i9950 (which I have) still has PC and PM and the addition of red and *green*. Every review I've read has rated the Canon over the Epson (this was the i990 vs the R800). Does blue make a difference to green and what does the 'gloss optimiser' do? After all, if you want gloss you simply use glossy media, surely?! Or am I missing something? Yes you are dear. Surely you wouldn't settle for just glossy when you could have "glossier"? It's for those who feel absolutes won't do and would like something stronger. Like Starbucks and the "grande" size which normal people would call small but "small" sounds so, well, small. |
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This doesn't directly address your question about the difference between the
Canon i9x series and the Epson R800, but the major difference between Canon and Epson is that the latter has some models that produce excellent results printing photos using archival pigment-based inks. Check out the Epson 2200. Canon has nothing comparable, since all Canon consumer photo printers use dye-based inks. "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Has anyone had experience of both? I notice (after reading a review) that the 'R' series also has 8 colours, but has lost the PC and PM in favour of an extra black, red and *blue* - and a 'gloss optimiser". The i9950 (which I have) still has PC and PM and the addition of red and *green*. Every review I've read has rated the Canon over the Epson (this was the i990 vs the R800). Does blue make a difference to green and what does the 'gloss optimiser' do? After all, if you want gloss you simply use glossy media, surely?! Or am I missing something? |
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I believe the gloss optimizer is used in the Epson 2200 because that printer
uses pigment inks, which don't look glossy otherwise. That was a problem for consumers that wanted glossy prints and the optimizer was offered to solve it. Lola MacLean |
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If you are happy with what you are getting then there is nothing to worry
about. As noted the Epson pigment printers unaided do not achieve the high gloss finish that many printers desire so the printer adds a glossy finish. Canon printers and Canon glossy papers achieve beautiful glossy results. How concerned to be about archival results for ink-based prints I suppose may be a real concern if you are selling the prints but chemical based color prints do not last forever and neither do their owners. Alas I have but ink-based Canon and Epson printers: all three of us can only expect limited mortality. |
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There is a reason for the gloss optimizer. Epson's R800 uses pigmented
inks. The advantage of pigmented inks, as of right now, is that they are more permanent and less likely to fade than dye inks. That may change over the next year or two as new inks and papers hit the market. The problem with pigments is they tend to dry a bit more matte than most would like, even on glossy papers. And areas with high ink coverage even on glossy paper, will show the ink as flat. It looks even worse if you look at the image at an angle, with light reflecting on it. The gloss optimizer coats the ink areas to make them as glossy as the areas that are not covered in ink. The two blacks are because for matte papers, a denser black is needed and it is usually very matte. Using a second black which is more glossy, but less dense, works better on glossy papers. What the best ink color combinations are to give highest accuracy is often in debate, and it does depend upon the type of inks (dye versus pigment) and the type of color management and drivers used. With pigmented inks, particularly, since they are not fully transparent, mixing certain ink colors may not provide the purity of color that a dye ink might. Mixing yellow and magenta pigmented inks may not make as pure a red as a pure red pigment. Same with blue, which is normally made from cyan and magenta inks. In the case of dye inks, getting a good range of greens, especially deeper forest greens, which require cyan, magenta, yellow and black in varying amounts are tricky to get, so some manufacturers use green. Some commercial ink sets add orange. At the end, what colors are in the set is not really important to the end user. It's sausage making. What you should care about is how good the output looks, what variety of papers work with the inks, how much it costs per print, how fast the printer is, how reliable the printer is, and, if it matters to you, how long the print is likely to last. Art Rob wrote: "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote: Has anyone had experience of both? I notice (after reading a review) that the 'R' series also has 8 colours, but has lost the PC and PM in favour of an extra black, red and *blue* - and a 'gloss optimiser". The i9950 (which I have) still has PC and PM and the addition of red and *green*. Every review I've read has rated the Canon over the Epson (this was the i990 vs the R800). Does blue make a difference to green and what does the 'gloss optimiser' do? After all, if you want gloss you simply use glossy media, surely?! Or am I missing something? Yes you are dear. Surely you wouldn't settle for just glossy when you could have "glossier"? It's for those who feel absolutes won't do and would like something stronger. Like Starbucks and the "grande" size which normal people would call small but "small" sounds so, well, small. |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:24:08 -0700, "Lola MacLean"
wrote: I believe the gloss optimizer is used in the Epson 2200 because that printer uses pigment inks, which don't look glossy otherwise. That was a problem for consumers that wanted glossy prints and the optimizer was offered to solve it. Lola MacLean There is no gloss optimiser for the 2100/2200, only the R800. -- Hecate veni, vidi, reliqui |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:05:58 -0600, "Bill Mathews"
wrote: This doesn't directly address your question about the difference between the Canon i9x series and the Epson R800, but the major difference between Canon and Epson is that the latter has some models that produce excellent results printing photos using archival pigment-based inks. Check out the Epson 2200. Canon has nothing comparable, since all Canon consumer photo printers use dye-based inks. This always causes me to have doubts about my Canon printer. It seems as though Canon is mostly concerned with droplet size and Epson has bigger droplets but more permanant ink. I would like to see a visual demonstration of what really happens when the prints get wet, as Epson describes on their radio ads. |
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