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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN. We have three spinning and seven externals. I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one. It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:58:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire
wrote: On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN. We have three spinning and seven externals. I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one. It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Your situation is obviously business-related while my situation is just a home LAN with a handful of PCs, three of which I actually care about, so the part about archiving a drive every six months and replacing it wouldn't apply, but the rest is very helpful. I see the 8TB on Amazon for $160 ($20/GB) and the 10TB for $270 ($27/GB), both of which are pretty darn amazing. The higher per-GB price of the 10TB is offset by the fact that fewer drives are needed, if USB/SATA ports or desktop/bay space are a limiting factor. In my case, if I were to buy external drives, I would open the cases and strip the drives out to mount them internally. I don't have much use for external drives, but I know they're popular with others. |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 8/14/2018 3:24 PM, Mark Perkins wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:58:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN. We have three spinning and seven externals. I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one. It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Your situation is obviously business-related while my situation is just a home LAN with a handful of PCs, three of which I actually care about, so the part about archiving a drive every six months and replacing it wouldn't apply, but the rest is very helpful. I see the 8TB on Amazon for $160 ($20/GB) and the 10TB for $270 ($27/GB), both of which are pretty darn amazing. The higher per-GB price of the 10TB is offset by the fact that fewer drives are needed, if USB/SATA ports or desktop/bay space are a limiting factor. In my case, if I were to buy external drives, I would open the cases and strip the drives out to mount them internally. I don't have much use for external drives, but I know they're popular with others. Make sure you know what you're getting. I bought a 2.5" external USB drive. Took it apart to discover that the USB is on the drive controller board and there's no option to use it otherwise. No idea if this happens with 3.5". |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 18:55:03 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/14/2018 3:24 PM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:58:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN. We have three spinning and seven externals. I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one. It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Your situation is obviously business-related while my situation is just a home LAN with a handful of PCs, three of which I actually care about, so the part about archiving a drive every six months and replacing it wouldn't apply, but the rest is very helpful. I see the 8TB on Amazon for $160 ($20/GB) and the 10TB for $270 ($27/GB), both of which are pretty darn amazing. The higher per-GB price of the 10TB is offset by the fact that fewer drives are needed, if USB/SATA ports or desktop/bay space are a limiting factor. In my case, if I were to buy external drives, I would open the cases and strip the drives out to mount them internally. I don't have much use for external drives, but I know they're popular with others. Make sure you know what you're getting. I bought a 2.5" external USB drive. Took it apart to discover that the USB is on the drive controller board and there's no option to use it otherwise. No idea if this happens with 3.5". Good point. I always read reviews, especially the Q&A section, since people tend to ask what's inside an external case. |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 8/14/2018 8:55 PM, mike wrote:
On 8/14/2018 3:24 PM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:58:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN.* We have three spinning and seven externals.* I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one.* It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Your situation is obviously business-related while my situation is just a home LAN with a handful of PCs, three of which I actually care about, so the part about archiving a drive every six months and replacing it wouldn't apply, but the rest is very helpful. I see the 8TB on Amazon for $160 ($20/GB) and the 10TB for $270 ($27/GB), both of which are pretty darn amazing. The higher per-GB price of the 10TB is offset by the fact that fewer drives are needed, if USB/SATA ports or desktop/bay space are a limiting factor. In my case, if I were to buy external drives, I would open the cases and strip the drives out to mount them internally. I don't have much use for external drives, but I know they're popular with others. Make sure you know what you're getting. I bought a 2.5" external USB drive. Took it apart to discover that the USB is on the drive controller board and there's no option to use it otherwise. No idea if this happens with 3.5". I stripped the 8 TB out of an external WD drive to replace the internal 4 TB backup drive on my office pc. The USB is on a daughterboard so no big deal. I've done the stripping before. However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive. It will address the 4 TB internal drive though. So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. I bought a SATA board to see if it can address the drive but have yet to try it out. Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/14/2018 8:55 PM, mike wrote: On 8/14/2018 3:24 PM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:58:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN. We have three spinning and seven externals. I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one. It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Your situation is obviously business-related while my situation is just a home LAN with a handful of PCs, three of which I actually care about, so the part about archiving a drive every six months and replacing it wouldn't apply, but the rest is very helpful. I see the 8TB on Amazon for $160 ($20/GB) and the 10TB for $270 ($27/GB), both of which are pretty darn amazing. The higher per-GB price of the 10TB is offset by the fact that fewer drives are needed, if USB/SATA ports or desktop/bay space are a limiting factor. In my case, if I were to buy external drives, I would open the cases and strip the drives out to mount them internally. I don't have much use for external drives, but I know they're popular with others. Make sure you know what you're getting. I bought a 2.5" external USB drive. Took it apart to discover that the USB is on the drive controller board and there's no option to use it otherwise. No idea if this happens with 3.5". I stripped the 8 TB out of an external WD drive to replace the internal 4 TB backup drive on my office pc. The USB is on a daughterboard so no big deal. I've done the stripping before. That's not always the case. I have at least one example of a 2.5" external drive where the USB is on the drive controller board and not removable... as I stated above. However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive. It will address the 4 TB internal drive though. So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. I bought a SATA board to see if it can address the drive but have yet to try it out. Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
mike wrote:
On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 8/14/2018 8:55 PM, mike wrote: On 8/14/2018 3:24 PM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:58:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 8/12/2018 12:58 AM, Mark Perkins wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:37:01 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: "Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ch...ves,37563.html "It’s been years since I was willing to work on any PC that boots from a mechanical hard drive. Once you get used to the snappy response times and speedier gameload times of an SSD, going back to a hard drive feels like computing through a thick layer of molasses." Lynn If you were buying a 'large' drive now, what would you buy? SMR seems like something to be avoided, so if I want a drive in the 8-10-12+ range, what's available? Not just asking Lynn, anyone can chime in. I buy 8 TB WD externals for backups drives for our LAN. We have three spinning and seven externals. I replace one external drive every six months and archive the old one. It may be time to jump to the 10 TB, our LAN backup is now 4 TB. https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp/B01LQQHLGC/ Your situation is obviously business-related while my situation is just a home LAN with a handful of PCs, three of which I actually care about, so the part about archiving a drive every six months and replacing it wouldn't apply, but the rest is very helpful. I see the 8TB on Amazon for $160 ($20/GB) and the 10TB for $270 ($27/GB), both of which are pretty darn amazing. The higher per-GB price of the 10TB is offset by the fact that fewer drives are needed, if USB/SATA ports or desktop/bay space are a limiting factor. In my case, if I were to buy external drives, I would open the cases and strip the drives out to mount them internally. I don't have much use for external drives, but I know they're popular with others. Make sure you know what you're getting. I bought a 2.5" external USB drive. Took it apart to discover that the USB is on the drive controller board and there's no option to use it otherwise. No idea if this happens with 3.5". I stripped the 8 TB out of an external WD drive to replace the internal 4 TB backup drive on my office pc. The USB is on a daughterboard so no big deal. I've done the stripping before. That's not always the case. I have at least one example of a 2.5" external drive where the USB is on the drive controller board and not removable... as I stated above. I've run into this problem in discussions of "shucking". That's the practice (as a business) by some, where they buy 2.5" external products, strip out the drive, and sell the drive as a raw mechanism. And some of those people got caught by the change in design. The problem is, you'd need to find a compatible controller board, to replace the USB version with. Since 15mm high 2.5" drives were never intended to be retailed, there's no guarantee that a SATA version of drive controller board exists. But I understand too, that external companies sometimes make these controllers, and that would remain a possibility as a replacement. You have to credit the product manufacturer, with finding a way to stop "shucking". Pretty clever. If the board used a USB to SATA converter chip, maybe you could tap into where the SATA connection exists. While they could do a SOC with USB on the side, what are the odds of that happening ? On the very first SATA drives built, they made IDE controller boards, then slapped an IDE to SATA converter chip onto the controller board. There is a precedent for "bodging" a controller board for the purpose. While it's easy to get SOCs with USB on the side, it's hard to say whether those would be available to make this development "easy". Slapping a USB to SATA chip on the controller board instead, would only cost money, and they wouldn't need to spin any firmware. Which makes the option attractive from a development perspective. ******* And I've never heard of a motherboard controller having an issue with disk size. That's a first. There are all sorts of USB to SATA converters with weird firmware limits. The closest "buggy" design, was the SIL3112 add-on SATA chip, that used to "freeze" when 1TB drives got connected. And a firmware change fixed that. It wasn't really broken. In an example here, the problem was traced to an Intel RST driver. https://communities.intel.com/thread/110559 http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?t=31350 Jan 07, 2011 "The latest Intel Rapid Storage does not have support for 3tb hard disk drives on RAID mode. Only for AHCI. Future releases of the Intel Rapid Storage software will support 2TB hard drives on RAID." And you could always run MSAHCI or STORAHCI or whatever passes for an in-box driver, rather than something like one of those drivers. In some cases, you have more than one choice for a driver solution. Paul |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
"Lynn McGuire" wrote in message
news snip I stripped the 8 TB out of an external WD drive to replace the internal 4 TB backup drive on my office pc. The USB is on a daughterboard so no big deal. I've done the stripping before. However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive. It will address the 4 TB internal drive though. So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. I bought a SATA board to see if it can address the drive but have yet to try it out. They are called 'schucked' drives. Try powering the drive from a Molex + Sata adaptor or remove the 3.3v wire from the Sata cable. - https://lime-technology.com/forums/t...n-flashed-lsi/ Or, isolate pin 3 on the drive - https://zackreed.me/hgst-7k6000-not-...g-not-working/ -- Regards wasbit |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive.* It will address the 4 TB internal drive though.* So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. Maybe a bios update. Also, for some brands, tech support is helpful. For one board, Gigabyte spun me a new bios. But for another they said get a more expensive board, even though included bios settings didn't work. -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
Resetting the bios might do it.
-- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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