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intel chip, intel board... but no dice. help?
Can someone help me try to figure out what's up with this? I have an intel D815EEA mobo, which has been running a 600EB P3 (flip chip 370) for some time and everything works fine. I recently picked up a cheap 1Ghz P3 to make the machine a little more usable. The problem is, although the 1G passes through the bios and stuff fine, the machine reboots itself right before XP is about to load (right before the logo would pop up). Swapping back in the 600EB everything works fine... For reference, the chip says: 1000/256/133/1.75v L123A723-0243 PENTIUM III SL52R ... which ought to work according to... support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d815eea/sb/cs-013068.htm ... right? Am I reading something wrong here? Is the chip just bad or something? I'm using the latest bios version (p11) and there are no cpu-speed jumpers on the board that I can see.... anyone have any ideas? ____ - Quartz - there are 10 types of people in the world: those who get this joke, and those who don't. |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:34:05 -0400, Quartz
wrote: I have an intel D815EEA mobo, which has been running a 600EB P3 (flip chip 370) for some time and everything works fine. I recently picked up a cheap 1Ghz P3 to make the machine a little more usable. The problem is, although the 1G passes through the bios and stuff fine, the machine reboots itself right before XP is about to load (right before the logo would pop up). Swapping back in the 600EB everything works fine... Are you certain the heatsink is on good, that it wasn't overheating? If you had tried reinstalling it multiple times, that's probably not the problem but one time, maybe. It should use more power too, is your power supply adequate? You might take voltage readings. Also check it with memtest86+. IIRC, the "EB" P3 was a 133MHz FSB CPU, so it shouldn't be an issue of a higher memory bus speed from the new CPU, though if you had changed no jumpers or bios settings, we'd be assuming the speed but perhaps not proven yet? Memtest86+ will also show the operational speed of the CPU, not just what it's "supposed" to be. For reference, the chip says: 1000/256/133/1.75v L123A723-0243 PENTIUM III SL52R .. which ought to work according to... support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d815eea/sb/cs-013068.htm .. right? Am I reading something wrong here? Is the chip just bad or something? I'm using the latest bios version (p11) and there are no cpu-speed jumpers on the board that I can see.... anyone have any ideas? You could try clearing CMOS. I |
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Are you certain the heatsink is on good, that it wasn't overheating? yeah, that was the first thing everyone thought. but after a couple reboots when I reach in touch the sink, it's only slightly warm, and if I shut the machine off and pull the chip out it's not even warm at all. It should use more power too, is your power supply adequate? it certainly ought to be. I forget which is in there right now, but it's somewhere in the 300-500 range. as for cards, I've got a geforce 4 mx440, a scsi card, and a firewire card (which has no devices plugged into it).... I mean, does the 1g use like 100 watts or something? You might take voltage readings. Also check it with memtest86+. IIRC, the "EB" P3 was a 133MHz FSB CPU, so it shouldn't be an issue of a higher memory bus speed from the new CPU, though if you had changed no jumpers or bios settings, we'd be assuming the speed but perhaps not proven yet? it's been running with that ram for a while with no problems, I doubt that's the problem. Memtest86+ will also show the operational speed of the CPU, not just what it's "supposed" to be. well, the bios shows it as a 1g 133 chip and gives me all the stepping foo and such, I'd assume that it would cycle it down or something if it's not supported at that speed. You could try clearing CMOS. I is there a reliable way to do this from the hardware side? the bios only has one 'reset settings' type option which I already tried... would yanking the battery do anything for me? ____ - Quartz - there are 10 types of people in the world: those who get this joke, and those who don't. |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:26:06 -0400, Quartz
wrote: Are you certain the heatsink is on good, that it wasn't overheating? yeah, that was the first thing everyone thought. but after a couple reboots when I reach in touch the sink, it's only slightly warm, and if I shut the machine off and pull the chip out it's not even warm at all. If heatsink wasn't making good contact, it would not be overly warm. A CPU core is rather low mass, partial heatsink contact would cool it off quite quickly, such that it didn't feel hot by the time you could get the heatsink off to check it. Even so, this is no further evidence of an actual problem and with the P3 having integral thermal shutoff, I would doubt it's overheating, especially since one can pull the 'sink and see if there was a clear imprint of the CPU core. In some cases (with aluminum based 'sink and optimal/minimal heatsink compound) you can even see the imprint of the corners of the CPU on the 'sink, meaning it must be making good contact unless the heatsink itself was horribly irregular on the bottom. It should use more power too, is your power supply adequate? it certainly ought to be. I forget which is in there right now, but it's somewhere in the 300-500 range. as for cards, I've got a geforce 4 mx440, a scsi card, and a firewire card (which has no devices plugged into it).... I mean, does the 1g use like 100 watts or something? Wattage rating means less if it's a generic. I've a 400W generic (sitting unused) that is inferior to the typical name-brand 250W. An upper end P3 might use 40W, but if your PSU can actually deliver 150W combined 3V/5V, (for whole system use of course) then it should be ok... but is still something to investigate, take voltage readings. You might take voltage readings. Also check it with memtest86+. IIRC, the "EB" P3 was a 133MHz FSB CPU, so it shouldn't be an issue of a higher memory bus speed from the new CPU, though if you had changed no jumpers or bios settings, we'd be assuming the speed but perhaps not proven yet? it's been running with that ram for a while with no problems, I doubt that's the problem. Memtest86+ will also show the operational speed of the CPU, not just what it's "supposed" to be. well, the bios shows it as a 1g 133 chip and gives me all the stepping foo and such, I'd assume that it would cycle it down or something if it's not supported at that speed. Probably right then, though 'something' is wrong, best to get another confirmation when the opportunity arises, IMO. You could try clearing CMOS. I is there a reliable way to do this from the hardware side? the bios only has one 'reset settings' type option which I already tried... would yanking the battery do anything for me? Disconnect AC to the PSU, then either pull the battery for ~10 minutes or use the clear-cmos jumper (should be shown in your manual or look around near the battery, though sometimes further away from it). |
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Quartz, , the necrotic, spur-galled toilet cleaner, and
itinerant dealer in small goods and general pedlar, objurgated: Can someone help me try to figure out what's up with this? I have an intel D815EEA mobo, which has been running a 600EB P3 (flip chip 370) for some time and everything works fine. I recently picked up a cheap 1Ghz P3 to make the machine a little more usable. The problem is, although the 1G passes through the bios and stuff fine, the machine reboots itself right before XP is about to load (right before the logo would pop up). Swapping back in the 600EB everything works fine... For reference, the chip says: 1000/256/133/1.75v L123A723-0243 PENTIUM III SL52R .. which ought to work according to... support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d815eea/sb/cs-013068.htm .. right? Am I reading something wrong here? Is the chip just bad or something? I'm using the latest bios version (p11) and there are no cpu-speed jumpers on the board that I can see.... anyone have any ideas? There may be something wrong with the cpu, but you should eliminate XP as the problem before you conclude anything. Do this: http://kadaitcha.cx/xp_how_to.html#b Take the link to "Parallel Installation", then read the section called "Install Windows XP to a new folder". XP is known for not working with different chipsets. It is likely that XP is trying to load the wrong microcode into the CPU, hence the reboot. |
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XP is known for not working with different chipsets. It is likely that XP is trying to load the wrong microcode into the CPU, hence the reboot. hmm... well that's interesting. I'll have to check that. ____ - Quartz - there are 10 types of people in the world: those who get this joke, and those who don't. |
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[heatsink] hmm... well, lemme buy some more thermal grease and slap it on just to make sure. Wattage rating means less if it's a generic. yeah I know, but what I'm getting at is that I've never had problems with this before when taxing the system, so... this mobo also has onboard voltage sensor readings, they've never shown anything to be wrong before, should I trust them? Probably right then, though 'something' is wrong, best to get another confirmation when the opportunity arises, IMO. yeah... I was hoping someone had a simple answer, but it looks like I just have to run down the list and check things one by one. Disconnect AC to the PSU, then either pull the battery for ~10 minutes or use the clear-cmos jumper (should be shown in your manual or look around near the battery, though sometimes further away from it). err... there is a distinct lack of labeled jumpers on this board, other than the 'special bios config' one. ____ - Quartz - there are 10 types of people in the world: those who get this joke, and those who don't. |
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http://kadaitcha.cx/xp_how_to.html#b Take the link to "Parallel Installation", then read the section called "Install Windows XP to a new folder". hmm... is there any reason I'd *need* to install it to the same drive? (as opposed to just stuffing an xbox HD or something in there and installing to that) ____ - Quartz - there are 10 types of people in the world: those who get this joke, and those who don't. |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:48:29 -0400, Quartz
wrote: [heatsink] hmm... well, lemme buy some more thermal grease and slap it on just to make sure. Wattage rating means less if it's a generic. yeah I know, but what I'm getting at is that I've never had problems with this before when taxing the system, so... While that it a reasonable presumption, now your faster CPU has a higher PSU load. With that in mind, it's still among possible culprits. this mobo also has onboard voltage sensor readings, they've never shown anything to be wrong before, should I trust them? yes/no/maybe. you can trust then within the context of having trusted them previously? If you want an accurate voltage reading, you will have to use a multimeter to measure at the connector to the load (for this purpose, a drive connector, or motherboard connector, etc), BUT, the deviation of an onboard sensor is somewhat linear with amperage such that if it were off and you were aware of it, you can still use the software report to note a relative change in voltage. Probably right then, though 'something' is wrong, best to get another confirmation when the opportunity arises, IMO. yeah... I was hoping someone had a simple answer, but it looks like I just have to run down the list and check things one by one. Well the simple answer is it should work. Who knows, maybe you received that one CPU out of a million that's defective in some way? Odds are against it, but that doesn't help that 1 person figure out what's going on. Disconnect AC to the PSU, then either pull the battery for ~10 minutes or use the clear-cmos jumper (should be shown in your manual or look around near the battery, though sometimes further away from it). err... there is a distinct lack of labeled jumpers on this board, other than the 'special bios config' one. Special bios config? Odd, try it. |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:27:02 -0400, Quartz
wrote: XP is known for not working with different chipsets. It is likely that XP is trying to load the wrong microcode into the CPU, hence the reboot. hmm... well that's interesting. I'll have to check that. Since you continue to use the same board, you're using the same chipset. It's even the same family of CPU, just one with a higher multiplier and "Maybe" a different stepping. XP should not be the problem unless there was already some kind of timing bug that only surfaced due to the higher performing CPU. |
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