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Nero 5.5: mixed mode CD, why data on track 1?
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In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? This is annoying because when I put the mixed mode CD into an audio CD player, I always have to skip track 1 in order to hear the music. Track 1 always plays as a completely silent track. I was also wondering, if the audio CD player thinks the data track is audio, why is the output completely silent? I was expecting to hear some random screeching or humming noises as the CD player feeds raw bytes of data to the codec's analog outputs, but somehow that's not the case. Finally, I am under the impression that using the mixed mode template increases the usable space of a blank CD, and I'm guessing it's because audio and data go into one single session. Burning one session with only audio tracks, and a second one with data, would solve the ordering problem above, but yields less usable space. Is this correct? Enlightment very appreciated! If you see a 'X' in my address, please remove it before e-mailing me. Do not add me to any MicroSoft address book; let's stop the viruses. Do not send me unsolicited mail. I track and report spammers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The FAQ files v1.21 for the Tropez, and v1.01 for the TBS-2001 sound boards can be obtained from: http://www.landfield.com/faqs/PCsoundcards/ http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~mccreary/tbeach/faq.html http://www.pasteur.fr/infosci/FAQ/PCsoundcards/ http://faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/co...card.misc.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? Burn in CD-Extra by selecting "CD EXTRA" icon in the left pane of New Compilation window. (Careful not put data into the special folders.) Burn in Enhanced CD by first burning audio with "Audio CD" without Finalize CD, then burn data with "CD-ROM(ISO)" and "No Multisession". (Uncheck Finalize CD if you want to add more data later.) (This is the old Nero way of burning CD-Extra.) See: How do I put audio and data on the same CD? http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-14 (If you go to Mikey's site, be careful. It's abundant with half-baked research, that is, misinformation. See my responses to Mikey.) This is annoying because when I put the mixed mode CD into an audio CD player, I always have to skip track 1 in order to hear the music. Track 1 always plays as a completely silent track. I was also wondering, if the audio CD player thinks the data track is audio, why is the output completely silent? I was expecting to hear some random screeching or humming noises as the CD player feeds raw bytes of data to the codec's analog outputs, but somehow that's not the case. Mixed Mode is also described as "Don't play track 1" format. CD-R Faq cited above touches on the playing "data". Finally, I am under the impression that using the mixed mode template increases the usable space of a blank CD, and I'm guessing it's because audio and data go into one single session. Burning one session with only audio tracks, and a second one with data, would solve the ordering problem above, but yields less usable space. Is this correct? You may very well be right that Mixed Mode gives more usable space, but if there is gain, it's in my guess about 37M when compared with Enhanced CD. |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed: wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? These and related matters are covered in the usual references: the CD-R FAQ and the primer at my WWW site. Briefly: Mixed Mode has data first. You want "Enhanced CD" or "CD Extra" "Enhanced CD", Mikey? ================================================ Mike Richter & Enhanced CD (Half-Baked Research) ================================================ ================================== From: Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) Date: 8/28/01 There is no Enhanced CD Mode - so, no, people have not used it. ================================== Unbelievably, the above Mikey's statement is the fruit of ITS so-called "research": ====================== From: Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) Subject: Mixed Modes - and similar Date: 5/30/01 After doing the research, I have prepared a page on the combination modes and posted it in the primer at my site. Though one expert has reviewed it, I look forward to comments from anyone with experience. ====================== So much for the Mikey's so-called "research" and so much for the so-called "expert" who reviewed it. [Any chance to reveal the identity of this so-called "expert?"] ------------------------------- Mikey, you are a Friggin' ****! ------------------------------- |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed: wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? These and related matters are covered in the usual references: the CD-R FAQ and the primer at my WWW site. Is your site not "quite dated" and does not have "significant errors", like the CD-R FAQ? ===================== From: Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) Date: 5/24/02 I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section. It is quite dated ... and has significant errors ===================== ----------------------- No friggin' ****, Mikey ----------------------- |
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"smh" wrote in message ... . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? Burn in CD-Extra by selecting "CD EXTRA" icon in the left pane of New Compilation window. (Careful not put data into the special folders.) Burn in Enhanced CD by first burning audio with "Audio CD" without Finalize CD, then burn data with "CD-ROM(ISO)" and "No Multisession". (Uncheck Finalize CD if you want to add more data later.) (This is the old Nero way of burning CD-Extra.) See: How do I put audio and data on the same CD? http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-14 (If you go to Mikey's site, be careful. It's abundant with half-baked research, that is, misinformation. See my responses to Mikey.) This is annoying because when I put the mixed mode CD into an audio CD player, I always have to skip track 1 in order to hear the music. Track 1 always plays as a completely silent track. I was also wondering, if the audio CD player thinks the data track is audio, why is the output completely silent? I was expecting to hear some random screeching or humming noises as the CD player feeds raw bytes of data to the codec's analog outputs, but somehow that's not the case. Mixed Mode is also described as "Don't play track 1" format. CD-R Faq cited above touches on the playing "data". Finally, I am under the impression that using the mixed mode template increases the usable space of a blank CD, and I'm guessing it's because audio and data go into one single session. Burning one session with only audio tracks, and a second one with data, would solve the ordering problem above, but yields less usable space. Is this correct? You may very well be right that Mixed Mode gives more usable space, but if there is gain, it's in my guess about 37M when compared with Enhanced CD. smh, MR sums up in his own words what, as an old player, he has become: ...but old players do not and can screech intolerably if given Mixed Mode. Thanks for your clear instructions. Looking forward to more rebuttals of the Intolerable Screecher from you. -- Vastly |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- Vastly Doggerel wrote: smh, MR sums up in his own words what, as an old player, he has become: ...but old players do not and can screech intolerably if given Mixed Mode. Thanks for your clear instructions. Looking forward to more rebuttals of the Intolerable Screecher from you. "Intolerable Screecher" !!! Like that! Good to see you again, and will do so. |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed: wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? These and related matters are covered in the usual references: the CD-R FAQ and the primer at my WWW site. Briefly: Mixed Mode has data first. You want "Enhanced CD" or "CD Extra" to have audio first. Here's your not so brief mumbo jumbo: ---------------------------------------------- Mike Richter: CD-R Faq Makes a Common Mistake! ---------------------------------------------- ================================================== ==================== From: smh Subject: how to create CD-Enhanced ? Date: 1/28/04 Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) spewed (1/25/04): I tried to create a Mixed-Mode CD, but Nero always puts the VCD-part as the first track, which some CD-Players don't like. Details are in the usual references: the CD-R FAQ and the primer at my WWW site. Check under multisession for both CD Extra and 'Enhanced CD'. Briefly, what you want can be done as a single writing as a CD Extra It will write both sessions Otherwise, write the audio session first, leaving the disc open. Then write the data session *without* importing the first session and close the disc. Is CD Extra multisession now, Mikey? ------------------------------------------------------ From: smh Subject: CD-Extra Help Date: 5/30/03 Mikey sure knows a lot about Enhanced CD and CD Extra. Why Mikey even points out a mistake in the CD-R Faq: ====================== From: Mike Richter Subject: Easy CD Creator makes CD-Extra disc with no track titles It happens that the FAQ makes a common mistake in that section, confusing "Enhanced CD" with its predecessor, "CD Extra" ====================== CD-R FAQ's supposed *MISTAKE* is taking CD Extra and Enhanced CD synonymously when they are different in Mikey's cockamamie definitions: "CD Extra uses a single session" "If there are two sessions, it is an 'Enhanced CD'" ------------------------------------------------------- cRoxio's glossary makes the same common MISTAKE: CD Extra A multisession disc... Enhanced CD See CD Extra. But instead of saying cRoxio also makes a common mistake, Mikey said this: Roxio's information is correct for CD Extra, but may not cover the unspecified but more practical "Enhanced CD" (Previously Mikey spewed there is no Enhanced CD!) ================================================== ==================== ------------------------------- Mikey, you are a Friggin' ****! ------------------------------- |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed: wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? These and related matters are covered in the usual references: the CD-R FAQ and the primer at my WWW site. Isn't your site abundant with half-baked research? ================================================== ======= Mike Richter & CD Extra - SAO/TAO ? (Half-Baked Research) ================================================== ======= ===================== From: Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) Date: 9/15/01 Subject: Easy CD Creator makes CD-Extra disc with no track titles Is there any way to make a CD-Extra disc and get the track information on it? If you want to do a true CD Extra, you have to comply with the rules for CD Extra - which means TAO and no titles. ECDC and anything else which complies with the standard will comply with the standard. I know that's hard to accept, but try - real hard. ===================== Perhaps, it's Mike Richter who should try - real hard? http://www.roxio.com/en/common/gloss2.html (link invalid) http://www.osta.org/technology/cdr.htm#s (same as above) Session-at-Once is...used for CD Extra. Unbelievably, the above Mikey's statement is the fruit of ITS so-called "research": ===================== From: Mike Richter (Friggin' ****) Date: 5/30/01 After doing the research, I have prepared a page on the combination modes and posted it in the primer at my site. Though one expert has reviewed it, I look forward to comments from anyone with experience. ===================== So much for the Mikey's so-called "research" and so much for the so-called "expert" who reviewed it. [Any chance to reveal the identity of this so-called "expert"?] ------------------------------- Mikey, you are a Friggin' Scum! ------------------------------- |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) Mike Richter (Intolerable Screecher) screeched: TowXWang wrote: In Nero 5.5, sometimes I choose to burn a CD in mixed mode, i.e. containing audio tracks and data files. Whenever I choose the mixed mode template, I find however that it always burns the data files in the first track of the session, and audio begins with track 2 and onwards. How can I make the data go into the last track? Mixed Mode has data first. You want "Enhanced CD" or "CD Extra" to have audio first. Figured out Mixed Mode, Mikey? ===================== From: Mike Richter (Intolerable Screecher) Subject: Why can't i make a mixed-mode CD? Date: 5/12/01 Goran Marinic wrote: Mike Richter (Intolerable Screecher) screeched: Mixed Mode is multisession by definition. I found it out by reading the definition. === READ ???!!! And where did you read this definition? I find it very hard to believe. There is a glossary at Roxio's site. === Not Silent ???!!! There is a CD-R FAQ. I also have the ECMA standards - but am not inclined to do your research for you. Why do you find it hard to believe that a disc with at least two sessions is multisession? Is there something about the number two which you equate to "single"? Or have you a definition for a dataudio session? ======================= ====================== From: Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) Subject: Why can't i make a mixed-mode CD? Date: 5/17/01 I learned from previous discussion here thatI was in error (see my post with Subject "Mixed Mode") - and now I have to research it. I believe the Roxio site (like my primer) is silent on the subject, === READ from Silent !!! providing only a definition in terms of track sequence. ====================== |
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