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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
On Jun 6, 11:38*pm, (Nate Edel) wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: 1. Why would someone read comp.sys.intel for advice about buying AMD processors? Is comp.sys.intel specifically for discussion of Intel products, or for broader discussions of the intel-architecture (as sold by a number of manufacturers in the past, and Intel/AMD/Via today.) Historically, AMD fanboy wars have taken place elsewhere. I'd like to see that pattern continue. Robert. |
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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
On Jun 7, 7:27*am, Robert Myers wrote:
On Jun 6, 11:38*pm, (Nate Edel) wrote: Robert Myers wrote: 1. Why would someone read comp.sys.intel for advice about buying AMD processors? Is comp.sys.intel specifically for discussion of Intel products, or for broader discussions of the intel-architecture (as sold by a number of manufacturers in the past, and Intel/AMD/Via today.) Historically, AMD fanboy wars have taken place elsewhere. *I'd like to see that pattern continue. In addition to which, I can't remember seeing a single meaningful comment here about Intel architecture, which is not the same as AMD architecture, which, in either case, changes from one model to another, unlike the Instruction Set Architecture, which is perhaps what you meant. If you're a c or asm coder, you may think the ISA is the end of the story, or even a big part of the story, but that doesn't make it so. Given that this group has so little to say in depth about Intel processors, why spread the BS even thinner? Robert. |
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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
Robert Myers wrote:
On Jun 6, 11:38 pm, (Nate Edel) wrote: Robert Myers wrote: 1. Why would someone read comp.sys.intel for advice about buying AMD processors? Is comp.sys.intel specifically for discussion of Intel products, or for broader discussions of the intel-architecture (as sold by a number of manufacturers in the past, and Intel/AMD/Via today.) Historically, AMD fanboy wars have taken place elsewhere. I'd like to see that pattern continue. I'd like a lot of things, too. However, reasonable technical comparisons are useful, I'm happy just to keep the politics and quasi-religious out. I certainly find the discussions of things like memory bus and SMP interconnect to either provide useful fact or at least prompt a search for it. |
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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
On Jun 7, 3:56*pm, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: Historically, AMD fanboy wars have taken place elsewhere. *I'd like to see that pattern continue. I'd like a lot of things, too. However, reasonable technical comparisons are useful, I'm happy just to keep the politics and quasi-religious out. You really want that? Then lay off me. Mind the AMD fanboys. That's where all the quasi-legal, quasi-political, quasi-financial, quasi- moral, and quasi-economic speculation has come from. So long as they keep spreading it here, I will keep responding here, your lack of manners and overconfidence in your own judgment notwithstanding. I had a German grandmother, too. Robert. |
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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
1. Why would someone read comp.sys.intel for advice about buying AMD
processors? for one, I don't expect AMD but Intel if the group named something like intel-compatable or x86 I would expect AMD and even Via included along with intel. snipped Robert. |
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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
On Jun 8, 2:13*am, "gg" wrote:
1. Why would someone read comp.sys.intel for advice about buying AMD processors? * * for one, I don't expect AMD but Intel if the group named something like intel-compatable or x86 I would expect AMD and even Via included along with intel. By that standard, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips would be out of business (and it just about is, actually) because there are no ibm pc's any more. Historically, that group has been a catch all for chip issues relating to "ibm-compatible" PC's. That seems about right. Ironically, there have been good technical conversations on csiphc, but about memory subsystems, not about CPU's. The Intel-AMD wars have been just about as pointless there as they have been here, but it does give the AMD fanboys a place to pursue their fantasies in peace. The days when "which chip is ahead today" was an interesting discussion are long gone. If I want information or informed speculation about how either AMD or Intel is conducting its business or about the possible effects of litigation and regulatory actions, there is an entire professional business press out there that pays a lot of attention to Intel and AMD. The business press will never, of course, satisfy the emotional needs of AMD fan boys praying for apocalyptic destruction of Intel. Those aspirations will inevitably wind up somewhere--just not in a group committed to discussion of Intel systems, if the world makes any sense at all. The ISA hides a lot of detail that is potentially important to the end user. Such benchmarks as there are and conversations that take place in these groups rarely expose those features, because most discussions and benchmarks now center around doing the same thing over and over again with a zillion bytes applications. That's understandable, actually. Those are the only applications that currently know how to use multiple cores effectively enough to stress the resources, at least at the moment. If those are the *only* applications that will ever commonly stress the resources of multi-core CPU's, computer architecture is at a dead end, and there isn't much left to talk about. If someone knows enough about *both* Intel and AMD cpu's to profitably discuss technical differences that might matter to an end user, by all means, bring the discussion here. Personally, I expect to see a unicorn before I see that happen, now that Intel has finally ditched the front-side bus. Robert. |
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New unlocked Intel CPUs hit the market, for cheap
On 6/8/2010 1:56 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: On Jun 6, 11:38 pm, (Nate Edel) wrote: Robert Myers wrote: 1. Why would someone read comp.sys.intel for advice about buying AMD processors? Is comp.sys.intel specifically for discussion of Intel products, or for broader discussions of the intel-architecture (as sold by a number of manufacturers in the past, and Intel/AMD/Via today.) Historically, AMD fanboy wars have taken place elsewhere. I'd like to see that pattern continue. I'd like a lot of things, too. However, reasonable technical comparisons are useful, I'm happy just to keep the politics and quasi-religious out. I certainly find the discussions of things like memory bus and SMP interconnect to either provide useful fact or at least prompt a search for it. I've been on this newsgroup a lot longer than Robert Myers, and if we're talking historically, then at one time there was plenty of comparison of AMD and Intel processors, both here and in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips. Then all discussions in general dropped off in both groups around the same time. It was around this time that discussions seemed to get limited to Intel processors only in comp.sys.intel, and general discussions of Intel architecture went to csiphc. Yousuf Khan |
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