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Scratch out the Upgrading
New mobo, cpu, memory are not worth of upgrading.. Aa far as speed is concern, I don't feel new system improve fast enough to see the change. the windows xp loading by new system is slower than old system even I reinstalled the winXP OS. Besides, no AGP slot available on new mobo which poses the biggest problem, I have to buy sata DVDRW or even new HD. Spend 150 bucks on upgrade is not enough. I have to spend another 150 buck or more. For total 300 bucks is not worth to see the change for better system. From 2.0G CPU to 2.7G CPU ain't no change. I bought old mobo since the same model no more stock by the store. What could I miss today's new cpu/mobo/DDR3? |
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Red Cloud mmdir2005 yahoo.com wrote:
New mobo, cpu, memory are not worth of upgrading.. Aa far as speed is concern, I don't feel new system improve fast enough to see the change. the windows xp loading by new system is slower than old system even I reinstalled the winXP OS. You made that clear the first time, and the second time. Welcome to upgrade disappointment. Get over it. -- Besides, no AGP slot available on new mobo which poses the biggest problem, I have to buy sata DVDRW or even new HD. Spend 150 bucks on upgrade is not enough. I have to spend another 150 buck or more. For total 300 bucks is not worth to see the change for better system. From 2.0G CPU to 2.7G CPU ain't no change. I bought old mobo since the same model no more stock by the store. What could I miss today's new cpu/mobo/DDR3? see also Google Groups Path: news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com! news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!z27g2000pr z.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Red Cloud mmdir2005 yahoo.com Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Subject: Scratch out the Upgrading Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:36:45 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: f222aca5-b32d-4d89-b320-0198eac2ef7d z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.100.112.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1299220653 16866 127.0.0.1 (4 Mar 2011 06:37:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com Injection-Info: z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.100.112.60; posting-account=J56LSgkAAADXgXF-d8W7le6CF3ZN1DW1 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.19) Gecko/2010031422 Firefox/3.0.19 ;ShopperReports SearchToolbar/1.2,gzip(gfe) |
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Red Cloud wrote:
New mobo, cpu, memory are not worth of upgrading.. Aa far as speed is concern, I don't feel new system improve fast enough to see the change. the windows xp loading by new system is slower than old system even I reinstalled the winXP OS. Besides, no AGP slot available on new mobo which poses the biggest problem, I have to buy sata DVDRW or even new HD. Spend 150 bucks on upgrade is not enough. I have to spend another 150 buck or more. For total 300 bucks is not worth to see the change for better system. From 2.0G CPU to 2.7G CPU ain't no change. I bought old mobo since the same model no more stock by the store. What could I miss today's new cpu/mobo/DDR3? Shut off some subsystems on the new motherboard, and try booting again. Try "native IDE" mode, instead of AHCI (driver change may be needed, depending on OS used, and can be nasty to experiment with). Switch to an SSD for your boot drive. That will shave a few seconds off the boot time. Disable the SATA ports not being used, in the BIOS, so the BIOS won't continue to scan them for drives. If I disable my IDE controller on the motherboard (a Jmicron chip), I can shave ten seconds off the BIOS portion of boot time. I don't always have an IDE device connected to it, so sometimes it makes sense to turn it off. Windows OSes spend part of their bootup time, doing network things. And a broken network setup will slow the boot process. As might, booting where some drivers aren't installed yet, and Windows stumbles over its new hardware wizard. Make sure Device Manager is really clean, and if not, disable any devices you don't plan to install drivers for. If you just transplanted the OS "hot" from the old system to the new system, perhaps you broke something while doing that. If you have older IDE drives, you can probably still find IDE to SATA adapters. I have one I'd like to buy, but no Canadian company carries one. My guess is, this one will be compatible with a lot of hardware. You can find ones cheaper than this, but check their compatibility via customer reviews. SC-SA0112-S1 http://www.siig.com/sata-to-ide-adapter.html "SIIG’s SATA-to-IDE Adapter is designed to instantly convert older IDE/Ultra DMA devices for use with modern Serial ATA controller on your computer. It allows you to easily connect existing Ultra ATA 150/133/100/66 hard disk drives and ATAPI devices to the latest Serial ATA host" ******* This processor runs at 3.4GHz on all cores, or in Turbo mode, can run at 3.8GHz for single threaded loads. So you can do a bit better than 2.7GHz. The motherboards to run these, will be back in the stores soon (Intel chipset bug). http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id...ec-codes=SR00C AMD has one that runs at 3.3GHz, with turbo to 3.7GHz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103913 Using processors like that, makes sense if you're a video editor, and you're currently waiting hours for video rendering to complete. (The video tool should be multithreaded, to see the most benefit. Both cores on my dual core run, when the video render is being done.) That's when an upgrade pays off. If you expected your email or web surfing to run faster, then the change might not be as obvious. For example, if I compare my 2.6GHz Core2 system to my 3.0Ghz Core2 system, there is no detectable difference for simple desktop operations. If I render a raw movie capture to DVD, then the time difference is proportional to clock rate. I think what you need, as an upgrade, is an SSD. You have to shop carefully, to find a good one. You use one of these as a boot drive, and continue to store your movies on a 1TB rotating hard drive. (In this particular chart, notice how low in the chart the Velociraptor is, which is a rotating hard drive used for comparison.) SSDs are really good at random access, with practically no delays there (0.1 milliseconds). And a few of the SSDs, are also good at sustained transfer rates. The best SSD has about 3x the rate of a cheap modern hard drive. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/t...d-510-review/4 Paul |
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On Mar 4, 8:50*am, Paul wrote:
Red Cloud wrote: *New mobo, cpu, memory are not worth of upgrading.. Aa far as speed is concern, I don't feel *new system improve fast enough to see the change. *the windows xp loading by new system is slower *than old system even I reinstalled the winXP OS. * Besides, no AGP slot available on new mobo which poses the biggest problem, *I have to buy sata DVDRW or even new HD. Spend 150 bucks on upgrade is not enough. I have to spend another 150 buck or more. For total 300 bucks is not worth to see the change for better system. From 2.0G CPU to 2.7G CPU ain't no change. *I bought old mobo *since *the same model no more stock by the store. What could I miss *today's new cpu/mobo/DDR3? Shut off some subsystems on the new motherboard, and try booting again. Try "native IDE" mode, instead of AHCI (driver change may be needed, depending on OS used, and can be nasty to experiment with). Switch to an SSD for your boot drive. That will shave a few seconds off the boot time. Disable the SATA ports not being used, in the BIOS, so the BIOS won't continue to scan them for drives. If I disable my IDE controller on the motherboard (a Jmicron chip), I can shave ten seconds off the BIOS portion of boot time. I don't always have an IDE device connected to it, so sometimes it makes sense to turn it off. Windows OSes spend part of their bootup time, doing network things. And a broken network setup will slow the boot process. As might, booting where some drivers aren't installed yet, and Windows stumbles over its new hardware wizard. Make sure Device Manager is really clean, and if not, disable any devices you don't plan to install drivers for. If you just transplanted the OS "hot" from the old system to the new system, perhaps you broke something while doing that. If you have older IDE drives, you can probably still find IDE to SATA adapters. I have one I'd like to buy, but no Canadian company carries one. My guess is, this one will be compatible with a lot of hardware. You can find ones cheaper than this, but check their compatibility via customer reviews. SC-SA0112-S1http://www.siig.com/sata-to-ide-adapter.html * * "SIIG s SATA-to-IDE Adapter is designed to instantly convert older * * *IDE/Ultra DMA devices for use with modern Serial ATA controller * * *on your computer. It allows you to easily connect existing * * *Ultra ATA 150/133/100/66 hard disk drives and ATAPI devices * * *to the latest Serial ATA host" ******* This processor runs at 3.4GHz on all cores, or in Turbo mode, can run at 3.8GHz for single threaded loads. So you can do a bit better than 2.7GHz. The motherboards to run these, will be back in the stores soon (Intel chipset bug). http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id...-2600K&spec-co.... AMD has one that runs at 3.3GHz, with turbo to 3.7GHz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103913 Using processors like that, makes sense if you're a video editor, and you're currently waiting hours for video rendering to complete. (The video tool should be multithreaded, to see the most benefit. Both cores on my dual core run, when the video render is being done.) That's when an upgrade pays off. If you expected your email or web surfing to run faster, then the change might not be as obvious. For example, if I compare my 2.6GHz Core2 system to my 3.0Ghz Core2 system, there is no detectable difference for simple desktop operations. If I render a raw movie capture to DVD, then the time difference is proportional to clock rate. I think what you need, as an upgrade, is an SSD. You have to shop carefully, to find a good one. You use one of these as a boot drive, and continue to store your movies on a 1TB rotating hard drive. (In this particular chart, notice how low in the chart the Velociraptor is, which is a rotating hard drive used for comparison.) SSDs are really good at random access, with practically no delays there (0.1 milliseconds). And a few of the SSDs, are also good at sustained transfer rates. The best SSD has about 3x the rate of a cheap modern hard drive. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/t...d-510-review/4 * * Paul I don't need to upgrade and I returned new mobo/CPU/Mem . I'm not sure spending over 250 bucks is worth considering that new CPU system just does not operate neither faster nor efficient. I would rather buy notebook than upgrading desktop. For upgrade I have have to buy new HD and new graphic card which means that I can't use 3 AGP card. In the new mobo, the embed audio system is far worse than Soundblaster PCI. So no more upgrade for me. If this old style mobo gone bad, I will just have to buy another out of the style one. |
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On Mar 8, 2:29 am, Red Cloud wrote:
I don't need to upgrade and I returned new mobo/CPU/Mem . I'm not sure spending over 250 bucks is worth considering that new CPU system just does not operate neither faster nor efficient. I would rather buy notebook than upgrading desktop. For upgrade I have have to buy new HD and new graphic card which means that I can't use 3 AGP card. In the new mobo, the embed audio system is far worse than Soundblaster PCI. So no more upgrade for me. If this old style mobo gone bad, I will just have to buy another out of the style one. A new MB *can* have onboard graphics and a soundchip. Both can also be disabled in the bios. Use the onboard graphics until you upgrade from AGP, disable onboard sound and use your SoundBlaster. The MB onboard graphics may very well be faster than your existing AGP. There are parallel to SATA adaptors on Ebay for around $5US. A new MB should then be able to then handle your existing HD/DVD with the adaptors. Memory, CPU, and MB can cost as little as $100. If you don't want speed, you can try a basic dual core. Matter of how low you want go. If worried about an old system crapping out, better now to be prepared than totally unprepared with nothing to back you up. Check your selected brandnames for part reviews and watch for sales. Setting up a new system to migrate over to is work. Talking about a rush job is waiting until the only computer you have that runs breaks. I can talk about that. Laptops are even worse unless you need it: more expensive and harder when possible to replace parts and rebuild if they go wrong. |
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On Mar 8, 12:13*am, Flasherly wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:29 am, Red Cloud wrote: *I don't need to upgrade and I returned new mobo/CPU/Mem . *I'm not sure *spending over 250 bucks is worth considering that new CPU system just does not operate neither faster nor efficient. *I would rather buy notebook than upgrading desktop. * For upgrade *I have *have to buy new HD and new graphic card which means *that *I can't use 3 AGP card. *In the new mobo, the embed audio system is far worse than Soundblaster PCI. *So no more upgrade for me. If this old style *mobo gone *bad, I will just have to buy another out of the style one. A new MB *can* have onboard graphics and a soundchip. *Both can also be disabled in the bios. *Use the onboard graphics until you upgrade from AGP, disable onboard sound and use your SoundBlaster. *The MB onboard graphics may very well be faster than your existing AGP. There are parallel to SATA adaptors on Ebay for around $5US. *A new MB should then be able to then handle your existing HD/DVD with the adaptors. Memory, CPU, and MB can cost as little as $100. *If you don't want speed, you can try a basic dual core. Matter of how low you want go. If worried about an old system crapping out, better now to be prepared than totally unprepared with nothing to back you up. *Check your selected brandnames for part reviews and watch for sales. *Setting up a new system to migrate over to is work. *Talking about a rush job is waiting until the only computer you have that runs breaks. *I can talk about that. *Laptops are even worse unless you need it: *more expensive and harder when possible to replace parts and rebuild if they go wrong. What I don't like it searching and looking for cheap converter of all kinds.... Or even searching in Ebay.... Well new system is not much help for me that i have to throw away good-old parts. AGP graphic is nice card it has secondary video output exactly needed in multi-tasking.. I noticed that new mobo embed with secondary video output is twice expensive than lower- line mobo. Even worst is that secondary video output is designed for HDTV which I don't need it. My AGP card comes with S-video output and HDTV. I also noticed most new mobo has only 2 PCI slots when I need 3 PCI slots. |
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On Mar 8, 10:24 pm, Red Cloud wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:13 am, Flasherly wrote: On Mar 8, 2:29 am, Red Cloud wrote: I don't need to upgrade and I returned new mobo/CPU/Mem . I'm not sure spending over 250 bucks is worth considering that new CPU system just does not operate neither faster nor efficient. I would rather buy notebook than upgrading desktop. For upgrade I have have to buy new HD and new graphic card which means that I can't use 3 AGP card. In the new mobo, the embed audio system is far worse than Soundblaster PCI. So no more upgrade for me. If this old style mobo gone bad, I will just have to buy another out of the style one. A new MB *can* have onboard graphics and a soundchip. Both can also be disabled in the bios. Use the onboard graphics until you upgrade from AGP, disable onboard sound and use your SoundBlaster. The MB onboard graphics may very well be faster than your existing AGP. There are parallel to SATA adaptors on Ebay for around $5US. A new MB should then be able to then handle your existing HD/DVD with the adaptors. Memory, CPU, and MB can cost as little as $100. If you don't want speed, you can try a basic dual core. Matter of how low you want go. If worried about an old system crapping out, better now to be prepared than totally unprepared with nothing to back you up. Check your selected brandnames for part reviews and watch for sales. Setting up a new system to migrate over to is work. Talking about a rush job is waiting until the only computer you have that runs breaks. I can talk about that. Laptops are even worse unless you need it: more expensive and harder when possible to replace parts and rebuild if they go wrong. What I don't like it searching and looking for cheap converter of all kinds.... Or even searching in Ebay.... Well new system is not much help for me that i have to throw away good-old parts. AGP graphic is nice card it has secondary video output exactly needed in multi-tasking.. I noticed that new mobo embed with secondary video output is twice expensive than lower- line mobo. Even worst is that secondary video output is designed for HDTV which I don't need it. My AGP card comes with S-video output and HDTV. I also noticed most new mobo has only 2 PCI slots when I need 3 PCI slots. Yep. Not a lot of PCI slots now. You don't really need them as much, though. I still have two ATI Radeon AGP boards (8500 and 9600) and they are nice. A long time. No big deal if I switch, though they still handle all but the most demanding video encodes. Don't sweat the HDTV, there's adaptors to change them to VGA. Dealextreme.com if you don't like Ebay's PSata converter, they're all about the same -- less than Newegg. If the MB w/ graphics is too expensive, it's too expensive. It's not like they're putting highend GPUs on them. Just have to wait and watch for the right sale or price to come through. I've bought discounted MBs from Newegg that people returned after not being able to figure things out. Had good luck with them, too, as-new for the most. You're out shipping, but they'll give you your money back if you decide you didn't like the used MB. Maybe 10 or 15 days to make up your mind. It sometimes takes "awhile" to get all the right prices and reviews down for sys upgrades. |
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