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Rotating/interchanging toner/drums?
Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W
laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys suggested and the manual said the reason was a worn-out drum. The new drum came with toner too -- great -- but since I've only been printing crossword puzzles, I kept using the old one. The printing is light, but it doesn't seem to be getting any dimmer. (I can read the clues and clue numbers. Once in a while I have to use a magnifying glass to read the numbers within the puzzle, because they are so light. ) Now I finally want to print something important, a long pdf text off of the web, and the first couple pages seem even lighter than yesterday's crossword puzzle. Probably because of the fonts that are used. So I want to use the new drum, but does that mean that the old drum/toner is kaput? I can't save it and put it back, to use up the unused toner? And if I did do that, taking out the new drum before it's empty would ruin it??? Even if I do all the drum changing in the dark with just a tiny flashlight, and even if I keep the old drum in the heavy bag the new drum comes in, in the box, in another dark bag, in the closet? Is there a door on the opening where the toner comes out, or can I keep the opening pointing up so the toner doesn't fall out? BTW, the printer has a setting for darker vs. lighter (for drafts), but it's been on darker all this time and a long time before I first posted. P.S. I tried printing it a second time on the same sheet of paper. It actually came out perfect on the right-hand side, the second quarter of the page starting from the top. But the rest was a double image, in some places enough to make one think he'd been hit on the head by a baseball bat. I thought the odds were it wouldn't work well, but I'm surprised the good part was in the middle. |
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On 4/27/2016 8:19 AM, Micky wrote:
Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys suggested and the manual said the reason was a worn-out drum. The new drum came with toner too -- great -- but since I've only been printing crossword puzzles, I kept using the old one. The printing is light, but it doesn't seem to be getting any dimmer. (I can read the clues and clue numbers. Once in a while I have to use a magnifying glass to read the numbers within the puzzle, because they are so light. ) Now I finally want to print something important, a long pdf text off of the web, and the first couple pages seem even lighter than yesterday's crossword puzzle. Probably because of the fonts that are used. So I want to use the new drum, but does that mean that the old drum/toner is kaput? I can't save it and put it back, to use up the unused toner? And if I did do that, taking out the new drum before it's empty would ruin it??? Even if I do all the drum changing in the dark with just a tiny flashlight, and even if I keep the old drum in the heavy bag the new drum comes in, in the box, in another dark bag, in the closet? Is there a door on the opening where the toner comes out, or can I keep the opening pointing up so the toner doesn't fall out? BTW, the printer has a setting for darker vs. lighter (for drafts), but it's been on darker all this time and a long time before I first posted. P.S. I tried printing it a second time on the same sheet of paper. It actually came out perfect on the right-hand side, the second quarter of the page starting from the top. But the rest was a double image, in some places enough to make one think he'd been hit on the head by a baseball bat. I thought the odds were it wouldn't work well, but I'm surprised the good part was in the middle. Yes you can swap the toner/drum around like you want to. Unlike inkjet printers, laser printers use a dry powder that gets heated in order for it to stick to the paper. However on some models it can get messy, that dry powder can get all over the place if you are not careful. You want to keep the offline toner/drum in something like a garbage bag until you need it again. Try to keep the toner/drum in the same orientation as it is when it is in the printer in order to help reduce the amount of spilled toner. Also some of the drums can be damaged if exposed to extreme light for too long, possibly that is why all the new or refilled toner/drums I've encountered are encased in a plastic bag that does not pass light. With that in mind try to keep the offline toner/cartridge in a black plastic bag rather than a clear one. |
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[Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:28:04 -0500, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general GlowingBlueMist wrote: On 4/27/2016 8:19 AM, Micky wrote: Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys ...... Yes you can swap the toner/drum around like you want to. Wow. Somehow I was sure the answer would be no. Unlike inkjet printers, laser printers use a dry powder that gets heated in order for it to stick to the paper. That I knew, but I still thought it was no. However on some models it can get messy, that dry powder can get all over the place if you are not careful. You want to keep the offline toner/drum in something like a garbage bag until you need it again. Try to keep the toner/drum in the same orientation as it is when it is in the printer in order to help reduce the amount of spilled toner. Okay. Also some of the drums can be damaged if exposed to extreme light for too long, possibly that is why all the new or refilled toner/drums I've encountered are encased in a plastic bag that does not pass light. With Yes, this new one is in a heavy black plastic bag, which I haven't opened yet. that in mind try to keep the offline toner/cartridge in a black plastic bag rather than a clear one. I save my clear bags for things I've bought and haven't used yet. When I leave things I buy in solid color bags, I can't find them later. I haven't done it lately, but on one occasion with a 35mm camera, it was so cold out my fingers were almost numb and I cranked the crank and ripped the film out of its little cartridge. I went into a closet, put my coat around the camera, and put my arms up the sleeves of the coat, to make it dark enough to open the camera and take the film out. A couple other times I had to do something similar. Thanks. I'll try to upgrade to windows 8 before I do all this. |
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Micky wrote:
[Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:28:04 -0500, in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general GlowingBlueMist wrote: On 4/27/2016 8:19 AM, Micky wrote: Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys ...... Yes you can swap the toner/drum around like you want to. Wow. Somehow I was sure the answer would be no. Unlike inkjet printers, laser printers use a dry powder that gets heated in order for it to stick to the paper. That I knew, but I still thought it was no. However on some models it can get messy, that dry powder can get all over the place if you are not careful. You want to keep the offline toner/drum in something like a garbage bag until you need it again. Try to keep the toner/drum in the same orientation as it is when it is in the printer in order to help reduce the amount of spilled toner. Okay. Also some of the drums can be damaged if exposed to extreme light for too long, possibly that is why all the new or refilled toner/drums I've encountered are encased in a plastic bag that does not pass light. With Yes, this new one is in a heavy black plastic bag, which I haven't opened yet. that in mind try to keep the offline toner/cartridge in a black plastic bag rather than a clear one. I save my clear bags for things I've bought and haven't used yet. When I leave things I buy in solid color bags, I can't find them later. I haven't done it lately, but on one occasion with a 35mm camera, it was so cold out my fingers were almost numb and I cranked the crank and ripped the film out of its little cartridge. I went into a closet, put my coat around the camera, and put my arms up the sleeves of the coat, to make it dark enough to open the camera and take the film out. A couple other times I had to do something similar. Thanks. I'll try to upgrade to windows 8 before I do all this. This is an example of a product, where the print cartridge comes apart in two pieces. The drum can be replaced separate from the toner. http://support.lexmark.com/index?pag...locale= EN_US "When replacing a photoconductor kit, do not leave the new photoconductor kit exposed to direct light, especially sunlight, for an extended period of time. Extended light exposure can cause print quality problems." "The photoconductor kit typically lasts for up to 30,000 letter-size pages (at approximately 5% coverage)." So that gives you some idea how long it lasts, if you don't leave the drum lying in direct sunlight. It doesn't mean going into the coat closet, and doing the surgery under infrared light. Just use a reasonable amount of haste when doing the work (no coffee break), then mount the new toner in the printer, where the direct sunlight cannot get at it. Some toner cartridge designs with integrated drums, have a shutter, and the shutter prevents scratches as well as reducing the light intensity seen by the drum. But the shutter is far from light-tight, so you wouldn't leave those inverted on a window-sill either. When you buy a refilled cartridge, you have no idea what page count is already on the thing. Which is why the prints could appear faded. It would take an ethical supplier who does test prints, to ensure product quality before shipment. Just because the drum is not scratched, doesn't mean it isn't worn out. They should do some sort of test to prove it is in good shape. The idea of using the foil/plastic bag, is for "bad storage situations", where the manufacturer attempts to maintain product quality while in storage. Like, a stockroom with direct sunlight exposure, replacement carts left sitting on a shelf, that sort of stuff. On a recycled cartridge, if they use a foil/plastic bag, the drum could already be worn out and faded, so the protective bag is rather a joke at that point. Paul |
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Micky wrote:
Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys suggested and the manual said the reason was a worn-out drum. The new drum came with toner too -- great -- but since I've only been printing crossword puzzles, I kept using the old one. The printing is light, but it doesn't seem to be getting any dimmer. (I can read the clues and clue numbers. Once in a while I have to use a magnifying glass to read the numbers within the puzzle, because they are so light. ) Now I finally want to print something important, a long pdf text off of the web, and the first couple pages seem even lighter than yesterday's crossword puzzle. Probably because of the fonts that are used. So I want to use the new drum, but does that mean that the old drum/toner is kaput? I can't save it and put it back, to use up the unused toner? And if I did do that, taking out the new drum before it's empty would ruin it??? Even if I do all the drum changing in the dark with just a tiny flashlight, and even if I keep the old drum in the heavy bag the new drum comes in, in the box, in another dark bag, in the closet? Is there a door on the opening where the toner comes out, or can I keep the opening pointing up so the toner doesn't fall out? BTW, the printer has a setting for darker vs. lighter (for drafts), but it's been on darker all this time and a long time before I first posted. P.S. I tried printing it a second time on the same sheet of paper. It actually came out perfect on the right-hand side, the second quarter of the page starting from the top. But the rest was a double image, in some places enough to make one think he'd been hit on the head by a baseball bat. I thought the odds were it wouldn't work well, but I'm surprised the good part was in the middle. Be careful. The cartridge is chipped which means that the printer knows which cartridge is in the machine. I do not know whether the printer will work with the old cartrdige once the new one is used. With much older printers the answer was yes it would work, with newer printers the answer is yes it probably will work. You will need to try I'm afraid. Tony |
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[Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:02:47 -0400, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Paul wrote: Micky wrote: [Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:28:04 -0500, in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general GlowingBlueMist wrote: On 4/27/2016 8:19 AM, Micky wrote: Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys ...... Yes you can swap the toner/drum around like you want to. Wow. Somehow I was sure the answer would be no. Unlike inkjet printers, laser printers use a dry powder that gets heated in order for it to stick to the paper. That I knew, but I still thought it was no. However on some models it can get messy, that dry powder can get all over the place if you are not careful. You want to keep the offline toner/drum in something like a garbage bag until you need it again. Try to keep the toner/drum in the same orientation as it is when it is in the printer in order to help reduce the amount of spilled toner. Okay. Also some of the drums can be damaged if exposed to extreme light for too long, possibly that is why all the new or refilled toner/drums I've encountered are encased in a plastic bag that does not pass light. With Yes, this new one is in a heavy black plastic bag, which I haven't opened yet. that in mind try to keep the offline toner/cartridge in a black plastic bag rather than a clear one. I save my clear bags for things I've bought and haven't used yet. When I leave things I buy in solid color bags, I can't find them later. I haven't done it lately, but on one occasion with a 35mm camera, it was so cold out my fingers were almost numb and I cranked the crank and ripped the film out of its little cartridge. I went into a closet, put my coat around the camera, and put my arms up the sleeves of the coat, to make it dark enough to open the camera and take the film out. A couple other times I had to do something similar. Thanks. I'll try to upgrade to windows 8 before I do all this. This is an example of a product, where the print cartridge comes apart in two pieces. The drum can be replaced separate from the toner. http://support.lexmark.com/index?pag...locale= EN_US "When replacing a photoconductor kit, do not leave the new photoconductor kit exposed to direct light, especially sunlight, for an extended period of time. Extended light exposure can cause print quality problems." "The photoconductor kit typically lasts for up to 30,000 letter-size pages (at approximately 5% coverage)." So that gives you some idea how long it lasts, if you don't leave the drum lying in direct sunlight. It would take me about 150 years to do 30,000 pages. It doesn't mean going into the coat closet, and doing the surgery under infrared light. Just use a reasonable amount of haste when doing the work (no coffee break), then mount the new toner in the printer, where the direct sunlight cannot get at it. Some toner cartridge designs with integrated drums, have a shutter, and the shutter prevents scratches as well So I had a reason for thinking that. That's good. as reducing the light intensity seen by the drum. But the shutter is far from light-tight, so you wouldn't leave those inverted on a window-sill either. Sure. When you buy a refilled cartridge, you have no idea what page count is already on the thing. Which is why the prints could appear faded. It would take No, I'm still using the original cartridge and the original drum. A friend gave it to me, but I don't know how much he used it. I'm almost certain the print used to be darker. an ethical supplier who does test prints, to ensure product quality before shipment. Just because the drum is not scratched, doesn't mean it isn't worn out. They should do some sort of test to prove it is in good shape. I think this is a new one, Samsung brand. I'll know more, maybe, when I actually open the bag, but by then it will be too late to complain to the vendor. Still it's probably fine. I've only been cheated a small number of times, and never on ebay. The idea of using the foil/plastic bag, is for "bad storage situations", where the manufacturer attempts to maintain product quality while in storage. Like, a stockroom with direct sunlight exposure, replacement carts left sitting on a shelf, that sort of stuff. On a recycled cartridge, if they use a foil/plastic bag, the drum could already be worn out and faded, so the protective bag is rather a joke at that point. I hope it's new. Thanks. Of course if it is new, I'll have to live longer than I planned. Paul |
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[Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:09:23 -0500, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote: Micky wrote: Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys.... Be careful. The cartridge is chipped which means that the printer knows which cartridge is in the machine. I do not know whether the printer will work with the old cartrdige once the new one is used. With much older printers the answer was yes it would work, with newer printers the answer is yes it probably will work. You will need to try I'm afraid. Tony The printer is from about 2000. That's before chips, right? |
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Micky wrote:
[Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:09:23 -0500, in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Tony lizandtony at orcon dot net dot nz wrote: Micky wrote: Is it possible to remove a partially emptied toner/drum from a B&W laser printer, put in a new one and use that for a while, reinsert the old one for a while, and then change to the new one again? Etc. This is an old Samsung ML-4500 printer, which was printing too light, but consistently, I thought, across the whole page. You guys.... Be careful. The cartridge is chipped which means that the printer knows which cartridge is in the machine. I do not know whether the printer will work with the old cartrdige once the new one is used. With much older printers the answer was yes it would work, with newer printers the answer is yes it probably will work. You will need to try I'm afraid. Tony The printer is from about 2000. That's before chips, right? No there were a few then with chips and see http://www.aliexpress.com/item/TY-S4...709598805.html Tony |
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[Default] On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:48:17 -0400, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Micky wrote: "The photoconductor kit typically lasts for up to 30,000 letter-size pages (at approximately 5% coverage)." So that gives you some idea how long it lasts, if you don't leave the drum lying in direct sunlight. It would take me about 150 years to do 30,000 pages. But it turns out Samsung says a cartridge for this printer only lasts 3500 pages. That's about 17 years for me. Ugh. That means just when I'm on death's door, I'll have to buy a new printer, or at least a cartridge. ...... I hope it's new. Thanks. Of course if it is new, I'll have to live longer than I planned. So that's good; I don't have to live longer than I really can. |
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