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BillW50 typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:59:40 -0500: In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC): I assume that right now I've got a dual boot loader on the XP drive, but no MBR for this drive and the XP install did not make it an active partition, while the Win2K still has it's original boot loader, and MBR. I'm thinking that the Windows 2000 drive has the MBR and loader. While the XP drive just has XP and that is all. The XP drive could be active, but a reinstall as the only drive would make it so anyway. I should explain.about a partition being active. Up to Windows XP, only one partition per drive can be active. And you can have up to four primary partitions per physical hard drive. And only one can be active at boot. Usually you set one and leave it alone. The active one has the loader on them. Which usually includes the boot menu. The boot part is the first sector of a hard drive. Which is outside of any partition. It is like its own partition in itself. As it holds the MBR, disk type, and partition info. Nobody calls it a partition though. Just the first sector on the drive. Your second hard drive, all of the same can be said. As it could also have a boot, loader, and OS too. And up to four primary partitions as well. And one of them could be set as active. But normally the boot and the loader is completely ignored (if it exists). As the first (master) drive is used for the boot and loader. The exception is if you reverse the slave and master. Now it is reversed. Also some BIOS, you can select which drive you want to boot from. And some will allow you to boot from the slave instead of the master. So it is reversed without physically doing anything. So when I say your XP drive could be set to being active, now you should know what I mean. Another physical drive can have an active partition. Although it means nothing unless it is the drive that is being booted from. -- Bill Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600) Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC |
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: In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:53:56 +0000 (UTC): Hi, I only want to run XP, off of C, and I don't mind doing another install. I don't care about Windows 2000. I do have lots of Windows 9x startup floppies around. I used a 98SE startup floppy last night to try some things, and I also have ntdetect, ntldr, etc, on floppy. My problem is that even with a startup floppy, when it eventually wants me to insert the XP cd into the CD-ROM, and I do, my CD-ROM then says insert a floppy in A and press any key, instead of starting the XP install. I may try the 6 floppy startup set. If I could only get this thing to boot from CD, but even with the BIOS set properly, it ends up looking to A. Hmmmmm...??? Okay no problem. Delete all files and folders on the XP drive. Or format it would be far quicker (use FAT32 so DOS can see it, you can convert to NTFS later if you want). Still with the Windows 2000 hard drive installed, copy the i386 folder from the XP install CD to the XP drive. So that is all is on there now, right? Remove the CD and you don't need it anymore. Power down and remove the Windows 2000 drive. Setup the XP drive as master and change the cable. Now bootup one of those Windows 98 Startup disks. Log on to the C drive and cd (change directory) over to the i386 folder. Now run ntwin and XP will install. This method works without the XP CD. Once XP is up and running, delete this i386 folder. Now you should be all set except for all of the drivers like sound card, video, modem, etc. Usually the manufactures website is the place to get those. They might not have XP drivers though. So this might be a little tricky. But Windows 2000 drivers usually works for XP too and you got that up and running. So that is a good sign. vbg I'm going to try this tonight when I get home. Your instructions are very clear. Sounds good. I assume that right now I've got a dual boot loader on the XP drive, but no MBR for this drive and the XP install did not make it an active partition, while the Win2K still has it's original boot loader, and MBR. I'm thinking that the Windows 2000 drive has the MBR and loader. While the XP drive just has XP and that is all. The XP drive could be active, but a reinstall as the only drive would make it so anyway. I'll format the XP drive FAT32. When I get to installing XP from the i386 folder by running ntwin, I guess this is where I can change to NTFS when I'm asked to format. I'm thinking that formatting it to NTFS won't work since the install files are on this drive too. But you can convert to NTFS much later anyway. The problem is your CD drive can't boot. Thus why you are copying the i386 folder over to the hard drive. If you can see the CD after booting with a Windows 98 Startup disk, you don't need to copy the i386 folder over. Just run ntwin from there. That should work if you can see it. Then you can format the drive as NTFS now as you need nothing off of the XP drive now. Will this partition automatically be marked as active, since it's the only one on the machine with and OS? Thanks again. Yes, a reinstall with this drive the only one will take care of this and everything else. I didn't have any luck last night. Here's how it went. Win2K as master, new hard drive as slave (F) I do a properties on F, and see it's an NTFS file system Boot to Win2K, bring up Command prompt (Accessories) format F: done copy the i386 folder on Win2000 drive to F: (used drag and drop) power down remove Win2K drive entirely set up F (XP drive) as master; changed position on cable and jumper Boot from a Win98SE floppy log on to C: check properties on XP drive, shows it has the i386 folder shows NTFS file sytem (oh, o, but I try anyway) log on to the i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but then says it cannot operate in DOS only option is to exit decide to try and run winnt directly from XP CD in CD-ROM booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says hard drive not large enough only option is to exit I figure I should try to reformat C: as FAT32, as originally wished reformatted C: as large disk with FAT32 (of course wipes out i386 folder on c booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM properites on C: shows it's now FAT32 log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I continue, lower right screen does show copying files a minute later, doesn't show anymore files being copied, but does still say in middle of screen that setup is copying files I wait 20 minutes, no change, figure it'll be a long time since there's no smartdrv.exe go to bed (3 hrs sleep the night before, and only 4 now available tonight...but I digress g) this morning screen shows: "The MS-DOS portion of setup is complete. Setup will now restart your computer. After your computer restarts, Windows XP setup will continue. Ifthere is a floppy in drive A:, remove it now. Press enter to restart your computer and continue XP setup." I remove floppy, and press enter. Machine restarts Invalid Boot Disk in A (there's nothing in A) **** In hindsight, perhaps I should have now set BIOS to boot from IDE, **** and see if XP setup starts from where it left off, but I now do: power off boot with Win98SE startup disk, CD support log on to i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I exit, and come to work. **** I'll try this tonight. Thanks again for the help. |
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Boris typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:53:56 +0000 (UTC): Hi, I only want to run XP, off of C, and I don't mind doing another install. I don't care about Windows 2000. I do have lots of Windows 9x startup floppies around. I used a 98SE startup floppy last night to try some things, and I also have ntdetect, ntldr, etc, on floppy. My problem is that even with a startup floppy, when it eventually wants me to insert the XP cd into the CD-ROM, and I do, my CD-ROM then says insert a floppy in A and press any key, instead of starting the XP install. I may try the 6 floppy startup set. If I could only get this thing to boot from CD, but even with the BIOS set properly, it ends up looking to A. Hmmmmm...??? Okay no problem. Delete all files and folders on the XP drive. Or format it would be far quicker (use FAT32 so DOS can see it, you can convert to NTFS later if you want). Still with the Windows 2000 hard drive installed, copy the i386 folder from the XP install CD to the XP drive. So that is all is on there now, right? Remove the CD and you don't need it anymore. Power down and remove the Windows 2000 drive. Setup the XP drive as master and change the cable. Now bootup one of those Windows 98 Startup disks. Log on to the C drive and cd (change directory) over to the i386 folder. Now run ntwin and XP will install. This method works without the XP CD. Once XP is up and running, delete this i386 folder. Now you should be all set except for all of the drivers like sound card, video, modem, etc. Usually the manufactures website is the place to get those. They might not have XP drivers though. So this might be a little tricky. But Windows 2000 drivers usually works for XP too and you got that up and running. So that is a good sign. vbg I'm going to try this tonight when I get home. Your instructions are very clear. Sounds good. I assume that right now I've got a dual boot loader on the XP drive, but no MBR for this drive and the XP install did not make it an active partition, while the Win2K still has it's original boot loader, and MBR. I'm thinking that the Windows 2000 drive has the MBR and loader. While the XP drive just has XP and that is all. The XP drive could be active, but a reinstall as the only drive would make it so anyway. I'll format the XP drive FAT32. When I get to installing XP from the i386 folder by running ntwin, I guess this is where I can change to NTFS when I'm asked to format. I'm thinking that formatting it to NTFS won't work since the install files are on this drive too. But you can convert to NTFS much later anyway. The problem is your CD drive can't boot. Thus why you are copying the i386 folder over to the hard drive. If you can see the CD after booting with a Windows 98 Startup disk, you don't need to copy the i386 folder over. Just run ntwin from there. That should work if you can see it. Then you can format the drive as NTFS now as you need nothing off of the XP drive now. Will this partition automatically be marked as active, since it's the only one on the machine with and OS? Thanks again. Yes, a reinstall with this drive the only one will take care of this and everything else. I didn't have any luck last night. Here's how it went. Win2K as master, new hard drive as slave (F) I do a properties on F, and see it's an NTFS file system Boot to Win2K, bring up Command prompt (Accessories) format F: done copy the i386 folder on Win2000 drive to F: (used drag and drop) power down remove Win2K drive entirely set up F (XP drive) as master; changed position on cable and jumper Boot from a Win98SE floppy log on to C: check properties on XP drive, shows it has the i386 folder shows NTFS file sytem (oh, o, but I try anyway) log on to the i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but then says it cannot operate in DOS only option is to exit Something is wrong! Windows 98SE Startup Disc can't read a NTFS partition. decide to try and run winnt directly from XP CD in CD-ROM booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says hard drive not large enough only option is to exit What is the size of this drive again? I figure I should try to reformat C: as FAT32, as originally wished reformatted C: as large disk with FAT32 (of course wipes out i386 folder on c booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM properites on C: shows it's now FAT32 log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I continue, lower right screen does show copying files a minute later, doesn't show anymore files being copied, but does still say in middle of screen that setup is copying files I wait 20 minutes, no change, figure it'll be a long time since there's no smartdrv.exe go to bed (3 hrs sleep the night before, and only 4 now available tonight...but I digress g) this morning screen shows: Yes without smartdrv, Microsoft says it can take 24 hours to install XP. Smartdrv is like virtual memory, swapfile, pagefile, etc. Without it, it just takes a very longtime. I don't remember if the Windows 98 CD has smartdrv or not. MS-DOS5 and 6 should have it. Plus it is available on the Internet. "The MS-DOS portion of setup is complete. Setup will now restart your computer. After your computer restarts, Windows XP setup will continue. Ifthere is a floppy in drive A:, remove it now. Press enter to restart your computer and continue XP setup." I remove floppy, and press enter. Machine restarts Invalid Boot Disk in A (there's nothing in A) **** In hindsight, perhaps I should have now set BIOS to boot from IDE, **** and see if XP setup starts from where it left off, but I now do: power off boot with Win98SE startup disk, CD support log on to i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I exit, and come to work. **** I'll try this tonight. Thanks again for the help. And what happened? -- Bill Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2 |
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: In , Boris typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:53:56 +0000 (UTC): Hi, I only want to run XP, off of C, and I don't mind doing another install. I don't care about Windows 2000. I do have lots of Windows 9x startup floppies around. I used a 98SE startup floppy last night to try some things, and I also have ntdetect, ntldr, etc, on floppy. My problem is that even with a startup floppy, when it eventually wants me to insert the XP cd into the CD-ROM, and I do, my CD-ROM then says insert a floppy in A and press any key, instead of starting the XP install. I may try the 6 floppy startup set. If I could only get this thing to boot from CD, but even with the BIOS set properly, it ends up looking to A. Hmmmmm...??? Okay no problem. Delete all files and folders on the XP drive. Or format it would be far quicker (use FAT32 so DOS can see it, you can convert to NTFS later if you want). Still with the Windows 2000 hard drive installed, copy the i386 folder from the XP install CD to the XP drive. So that is all is on there now, right? Remove the CD and you don't need it anymore. Power down and remove the Windows 2000 drive. Setup the XP drive as master and change the cable. Now bootup one of those Windows 98 Startup disks. Log on to the C drive and cd (change directory) over to the i386 folder. Now run ntwin and XP will install. This method works without the XP CD. Once XP is up and running, delete this i386 folder. Now you should be all set except for all of the drivers like sound card, video, modem, etc. Usually the manufactures website is the place to get those. They might not have XP drivers though. So this might be a little tricky. But Windows 2000 drivers usually works for XP too and you got that up and running. So that is a good sign. vbg I'm going to try this tonight when I get home. Your instructions are very clear. Sounds good. I assume that right now I've got a dual boot loader on the XP drive, but no MBR for this drive and the XP install did not make it an active partition, while the Win2K still has it's original boot loader, and MBR. I'm thinking that the Windows 2000 drive has the MBR and loader. While the XP drive just has XP and that is all. The XP drive could be active, but a reinstall as the only drive would make it so anyway. I'll format the XP drive FAT32. When I get to installing XP from the i386 folder by running ntwin, I guess this is where I can change to NTFS when I'm asked to format. I'm thinking that formatting it to NTFS won't work since the install files are on this drive too. But you can convert to NTFS much later anyway. The problem is your CD drive can't boot. Thus why you are copying the i386 folder over to the hard drive. If you can see the CD after booting with a Windows 98 Startup disk, you don't need to copy the i386 folder over. Just run ntwin from there. That should work if you can see it. Then you can format the drive as NTFS now as you need nothing off of the XP drive now. Will this partition automatically be marked as active, since it's the only one on the machine with and OS? Thanks again. Yes, a reinstall with this drive the only one will take care of this and everything else. I didn't have any luck last night. Here's how it went. Win2K as master, new hard drive as slave (F) I do a properties on F, and see it's an NTFS file system Boot to Win2K, bring up Command prompt (Accessories) format F: done copy the i386 folder on Win2000 drive to F: (used drag and drop) power down remove Win2K drive entirely set up F (XP drive) as master; changed position on cable and jumper Boot from a Win98SE floppy log on to C: check properties on XP drive, shows it has the i386 folder shows NTFS file sytem (oh, o, but I try anyway) log on to the i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but then says it cannot operate in DOS only option is to exit Something is wrong! Windows 98SE Startup Disc can't read a NTFS partition. decide to try and run winnt directly from XP CD in CD-ROM booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says hard drive not large enough only option is to exit What is the size of this drive again? The hard drive is a 160GB WD, 8MB cache. I figure I should try to reformat C: as FAT32, as originally wished reformatted C: as large disk with FAT32 (of course wipes out i386 folder on c booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM properites on C: shows it's now FAT32 log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I continue, lower right screen does show copying files a minute later, doesn't show anymore files being copied, but does still say in middle of screen that setup is copying files I wait 20 minutes, no change, figure it'll be a long time since there's no smartdrv.exe go to bed (3 hrs sleep the night before, and only 4 now available tonight...but I digress g) this morning screen shows: Yes without smartdrv, Microsoft says it can take 24 hours to install XP. Smartdrv is like virtual memory, swapfile, pagefile, etc. Without it, it just takes a very longtime. I don't remember if the Windows 98 CD has smartdrv or not. MS-DOS5 and 6 should have it. Plus it is available on the Internet. "The MS-DOS portion of setup is complete. Setup will now restart your computer. After your computer restarts, Windows XP setup will continue. Ifthere is a floppy in drive A:, remove it now. Press enter to restart your computer and continue XP setup." I remove floppy, and press enter. Machine restarts Invalid Boot Disk in A (there's nothing in A) **** In hindsight, perhaps I should have now set BIOS to boot from IDE, **** and see if XP setup starts from where it left off, but I now do: power off boot with Win98SE startup disk, CD support log on to i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I exit, and come to work. **** I'll try this tonight. Thanks again for the help. And what happened? Hi, Bill, I finally got it installed after 3 tries, using different tactics. I can't remember the exact sequence of events that finally got XP installed on the hard drive, but I took lots of notes as I proceeded, because I didn't want to go down the same dead end twice. I'm at work, but when I get home I'll write back. This version was XP Pro, SP1a, so when finally installed, I also installed SP3 from a CD I had made when SP3 came out. I use it to update all my XP machines. Some info...I did check to see that the XP CD was bootable on another machine, and it was. I also installed a known good CD-ROM in this P4, but the P4 still wouldn't boot from CD. I tried new cables, reinstalled the secondary controller, etc., but nothing worked. |
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Boris typed on Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:41 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:53:56 +0000 (UTC): Hi, I only want to run XP, off of C, and I don't mind doing another install. I don't care about Windows 2000. I do have lots of Windows 9x startup floppies around. I used a 98SE startup floppy last night to try some things, and I also have ntdetect, ntldr, etc, on floppy. My problem is that even with a startup floppy, when it eventually wants me to insert the XP cd into the CD-ROM, and I do, my CD-ROM then says insert a floppy in A and press any key, instead of starting the XP install. I may try the 6 floppy startup set. If I could only get this thing to boot from CD, but even with the BIOS set properly, it ends up looking to A. Hmmmmm...??? Okay no problem. Delete all files and folders on the XP drive. Or format it would be far quicker (use FAT32 so DOS can see it, you can convert to NTFS later if you want). Still with the Windows 2000 hard drive installed, copy the i386 folder from the XP install CD to the XP drive. So that is all is on there now, right? Remove the CD and you don't need it anymore. Power down and remove the Windows 2000 drive. Setup the XP drive as master and change the cable. Now bootup one of those Windows 98 Startup disks. Log on to the C drive and cd (change directory) over to the i386 folder. Now run ntwin and XP will install. This method works without the XP CD. Once XP is up and running, delete this i386 folder. Now you should be all set except for all of the drivers like sound card, video, modem, etc. Usually the manufactures website is the place to get those. They might not have XP drivers though. So this might be a little tricky. But Windows 2000 drivers usually works for XP too and you got that up and running. So that is a good sign. vbg I'm going to try this tonight when I get home. Your instructions are very clear. Sounds good. I assume that right now I've got a dual boot loader on the XP drive, but no MBR for this drive and the XP install did not make it an active partition, while the Win2K still has it's original boot loader, and MBR. I'm thinking that the Windows 2000 drive has the MBR and loader. While the XP drive just has XP and that is all. The XP drive could be active, but a reinstall as the only drive would make it so anyway. I'll format the XP drive FAT32. When I get to installing XP from the i386 folder by running ntwin, I guess this is where I can change to NTFS when I'm asked to format. I'm thinking that formatting it to NTFS won't work since the install files are on this drive too. But you can convert to NTFS much later anyway. The problem is your CD drive can't boot. Thus why you are copying the i386 folder over to the hard drive. If you can see the CD after booting with a Windows 98 Startup disk, you don't need to copy the i386 folder over. Just run ntwin from there. That should work if you can see it. Then you can format the drive as NTFS now as you need nothing off of the XP drive now. Will this partition automatically be marked as active, since it's the only one on the machine with and OS? Thanks again. Yes, a reinstall with this drive the only one will take care of this and everything else. I didn't have any luck last night. Here's how it went. Win2K as master, new hard drive as slave (F) I do a properties on F, and see it's an NTFS file system Boot to Win2K, bring up Command prompt (Accessories) format F: done copy the i386 folder on Win2000 drive to F: (used drag and drop) power down remove Win2K drive entirely set up F (XP drive) as master; changed position on cable and jumper Boot from a Win98SE floppy log on to C: check properties on XP drive, shows it has the i386 folder shows NTFS file sytem (oh, o, but I try anyway) log on to the i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but then says it cannot operate in DOS only option is to exit Something is wrong! Windows 98SE Startup Disc can't read a NTFS partition. decide to try and run winnt directly from XP CD in CD-ROM booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says hard drive not large enough only option is to exit What is the size of this drive again? The hard drive is a 160GB WD, 8MB cache. I figure I should try to reformat C: as FAT32, as originally wished reformatted C: as large disk with FAT32 (of course wipes out i386 folder on c booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM properites on C: shows it's now FAT32 log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I continue, lower right screen does show copying files a minute later, doesn't show anymore files being copied, but does still say in middle of screen that setup is copying files I wait 20 minutes, no change, figure it'll be a long time since there's no smartdrv.exe go to bed (3 hrs sleep the night before, and only 4 now available tonight...but I digress g) this morning screen shows: Yes without smartdrv, Microsoft says it can take 24 hours to install XP. Smartdrv is like virtual memory, swapfile, pagefile, etc. Without it, it just takes a very longtime. I don't remember if the Windows 98 CD has smartdrv or not. MS-DOS5 and 6 should have it. Plus it is available on the Internet. "The MS-DOS portion of setup is complete. Setup will now restart your computer. After your computer restarts, Windows XP setup will continue. Ifthere is a floppy in drive A:, remove it now. Press enter to restart your computer and continue XP setup." I remove floppy, and press enter. Machine restarts Invalid Boot Disk in A (there's nothing in A) **** In hindsight, perhaps I should have now set BIOS to boot from IDE, **** and see if XP setup starts from where it left off, but I now do: power off boot with Win98SE startup disk, CD support log on to i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I exit, and come to work. **** I'll try this tonight. Thanks again for the help. And what happened? Hi, Bill, I finally got it installed after 3 tries, using different tactics. I can't remember the exact sequence of events that finally got XP installed on the hard drive, but I took lots of notes as I proceeded, because I didn't want to go down the same dead end twice. I'm at work, but when I get home I'll write back. This version was XP Pro, SP1a, so when finally installed, I also installed SP3 from a CD I had made when SP3 came out. I use it to update all my XP machines. Some info...I did check to see that the XP CD was bootable on another machine, and it was. I also installed a known good CD-ROM in this P4, but the P4 still wouldn't boot from CD. I tried new cables, reinstalled the secondary controller, etc., but nothing worked. Okay it is all making sense now. The BIOS is old and doesn't seem to support booting from the CD drive for one. Secondly the BIOS is too old to see 160GB hard drives. And old Windows XP versions can't help since they can't see anything that large either. Although a patched or SP2 or SP3 XP should be able too. -- Bill Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600) Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC |
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: In , Boris typed on Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:41 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in : In , Boris typed on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:53:56 +0000 (UTC): Hi, I only want to run XP, off of C, and I don't mind doing another install. I don't care about Windows 2000. I do have lots of Windows 9x startup floppies around. I used a 98SE startup floppy last night to try some things, and I also have ntdetect, ntldr, etc, on floppy. My problem is that even with a startup floppy, when it eventually wants me to insert the XP cd into the CD-ROM, and I do, my CD-ROM then says insert a floppy in A and press any key, instead of starting the XP install. I may try the 6 floppy startup set. If I could only get this thing to boot from CD, but even with the BIOS set properly, it ends up looking to A. Hmmmmm...??? Okay no problem. Delete all files and folders on the XP drive. Or format it would be far quicker (use FAT32 so DOS can see it, you can convert to NTFS later if you want). Still with the Windows 2000 hard drive installed, copy the i386 folder from the XP install CD to the XP drive. So that is all is on there now, right? Remove the CD and you don't need it anymore. Power down and remove the Windows 2000 drive. Setup the XP drive as master and change the cable. Now bootup one of those Windows 98 Startup disks. Log on to the C drive and cd (change directory) over to the i386 folder. Now run ntwin and XP will install. This method works without the XP CD. Once XP is up and running, delete this i386 folder. Now you should be all set except for all of the drivers like sound card, video, modem, etc. Usually the manufactures website is the place to get those. They might not have XP drivers though. So this might be a little tricky. But Windows 2000 drivers usually works for XP too and you got that up and running. So that is a good sign. vbg I'm going to try this tonight when I get home. Your instructions are very clear. Sounds good. I assume that right now I've got a dual boot loader on the XP drive, but no MBR for this drive and the XP install did not make it an active partition, while the Win2K still has it's original boot loader, and MBR. I'm thinking that the Windows 2000 drive has the MBR and loader. While the XP drive just has XP and that is all. The XP drive could be active, but a reinstall as the only drive would make it so anyway. I'll format the XP drive FAT32. When I get to installing XP from the i386 folder by running ntwin, I guess this is where I can change to NTFS when I'm asked to format. I'm thinking that formatting it to NTFS won't work since the install files are on this drive too. But you can convert to NTFS much later anyway. The problem is your CD drive can't boot. Thus why you are copying the i386 folder over to the hard drive. If you can see the CD after booting with a Windows 98 Startup disk, you don't need to copy the i386 folder over. Just run ntwin from there. That should work if you can see it. Then you can format the drive as NTFS now as you need nothing off of the XP drive now. Will this partition automatically be marked as active, since it's the only one on the machine with and OS? Thanks again. Yes, a reinstall with this drive the only one will take care of this and everything else. I didn't have any luck last night. Here's how it went. Win2K as master, new hard drive as slave (F) I do a properties on F, and see it's an NTFS file system Boot to Win2K, bring up Command prompt (Accessories) format F: done copy the i386 folder on Win2000 drive to F: (used drag and drop) power down remove Win2K drive entirely set up F (XP drive) as master; changed position on cable and jumper Boot from a Win98SE floppy log on to C: check properties on XP drive, shows it has the i386 folder shows NTFS file sytem (oh, o, but I try anyway) log on to the i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but then says it cannot operate in DOS only option is to exit Something is wrong! Windows 98SE Startup Disc can't read a NTFS partition. decide to try and run winnt directly from XP CD in CD-ROM booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says hard drive not large enough only option is to exit What is the size of this drive again? The hard drive is a 160GB WD, 8MB cache. I figure I should try to reformat C: as FAT32, as originally wished reformatted C: as large disk with FAT32 (of course wipes out i386 folder on c booted with Win98SE floppy, CD support, with XP CD in CD-ROM properites on C: shows it's now FAT32 log on to i386 folder on XP CD type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I continue, lower right screen does show copying files a minute later, doesn't show anymore files being copied, but does still say in middle of screen that setup is copying files I wait 20 minutes, no change, figure it'll be a long time since there's no smartdrv.exe go to bed (3 hrs sleep the night before, and only 4 now available tonight...but I digress g) this morning screen shows: Yes without smartdrv, Microsoft says it can take 24 hours to install XP. Smartdrv is like virtual memory, swapfile, pagefile, etc. Without it, it just takes a very longtime. I don't remember if the Windows 98 CD has smartdrv or not. MS-DOS5 and 6 should have it. Plus it is available on the Internet. "The MS-DOS portion of setup is complete. Setup will now restart your computer. After your computer restarts, Windows XP setup will continue. Ifthere is a floppy in drive A:, remove it now. Press enter to restart your computer and continue XP setup." I remove floppy, and press enter. Machine restarts Invalid Boot Disk in A (there's nothing in A) **** In hindsight, perhaps I should have now set BIOS to boot from IDE, **** and see if XP setup starts from where it left off, but I now do: power off boot with Win98SE startup disk, CD support log on to i386 folder type winnt XP setup starts, but now says there's no smartdrv.exe on the system I can either exit, or continue without smartdrv I exit, and come to work. **** I'll try this tonight. Thanks again for the help. And what happened? Hi, Bill, I finally got it installed after 3 tries, using different tactics. I can't remember the exact sequence of events that finally got XP installed on the hard drive, but I took lots of notes as I proceeded, because I didn't want to go down the same dead end twice. I'm at work, but when I get home I'll write back. This version was XP Pro, SP1a, so when finally installed, I also installed SP3 from a CD I had made when SP3 came out. I use it to update all my XP machines. Some info...I did check to see that the XP CD was bootable on another machine, and it was. I also installed a known good CD-ROM in this P4, but the P4 still wouldn't boot from CD. I tried new cables, reinstalled the secondary controller, etc., but nothing worked. Okay it is all making sense now. The BIOS is old and doesn't seem to support booting from the CD drive for one. Secondly the BIOS is too old to see 160GB hard drives. And old Windows XP versions can't help since they can't see anything that large either. Although a patched or SP2 or SP3 XP should be able too. OK. I have my notes, sort of sketchy, but here's what I did. As I go over them, it turns out your suggestion is basically what worked for me. What I was trying to do was install XP Pro, SP1a, from CD, onto a (used) Western Digital 160GB, 8MB cache, hard drive. The Gateway P4 already had Windows 2000 Pro installed on an 80GB drive, and was running fine. removed the 80GB drive connected 160GB drive to primary IDE channel,as single drive the only CD-ROM was connected to seconday IDE channel as single drive there is a floppy drive set BIOS to start from floppy, then hard drive put Win98SE Startup disk into floppy started machine Win98SE Startup floppy installed ramdrive executed FDISK and created DOS primary partition on 160 GB hard drive activated DOS partition executed FORMAT created large FAT32 partition put Windows XP Pro CD in CD-ROM logged onto i386 folder executed 'winnt' Windows XP Pro Setup began told me I didn't have smartdrv.exe, and would take a while I continued without smartdrv.exe copied some files, and then took another 2 hours to get to: Then: "The MS DOS portion of Setup is complete Remove floppy A and hit enter. Windows Setup will continue." I removed floppy A Hit Enter I got, "Invalid boot disk, please insert boot disk into A" Floppy was still out I restarted the machine, which was set to boot from hard drive after the floppy C came up C showed: $LDR$ 245,920 $WIN_NT$ ~BT DIR $WIN_NT$ ~LS DIR COMMAND COM 93,880 NTDETECT COM 47,580 NTLDR 233,632 TXTSETUP SIF 454,830 5 file(s) 1,075,842 bytes 2 dir(s) 130,568,660 MB free I restarted and went into BIOS I reset BIOS to boot from IDE I rebooted Windows XP Pro Setup began where it left off allowed me to convert FAT32 to NTFS the machine restarted a few times the Windows XP Pro licensing screen came up! The install finished successfully. My video was poor. When moving windows across the screen, they moved really slow, like they were 'stickey'. My audio was warbly. I installed SP3, and all problems were solved. I made an XP Startup floppy. Machine is working fine, but still won't boot from CD. I could do a reset on the BIOS via a jumper on the motherboard, but think I'll leave well enough alone. |
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