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Johannes H Andersen wrote:


Parish wrote:

Johannes H Andersen wrote:

Looked at the Aria site. They now have a '2000PR' and a '2500PR'.

I've just been looking round their site too and for XP-based systems
they call them things like Arianet AXP-1800 and state that the processor
is a AMD Athlon 1800XP. So they are accurate; anyone that expects a
1.8GHz system would expect that of any 1800XP system. In other words
_they_ are not misleading customers, AMD are (depending on your POV of
course ;-) ).

However, the Duron-based system they call Arianet AXP-1400D but state
that the processor is a AMD Duron 1400,
http://www.aria.co.uk/newdisplaySystem.asp?BrandID=12&ProductID=184,
so they are selling systems with a non-existent processor because AMD
don't use the xx00 nomenclature for Durons, they use straight GHz, and
the fastest Duron is 1.3GHz so that is definitely misleading.

There are actually Durons up to 1.8GHz.


You are indeed correct sir. It seems that AMD's website is somewhat
screwed. Go to www.amd.com, click on "AMD Duron" in the panel at the
left and the page it takes you to says, in the panel at the bottom, "AMD
Duron now available at 1.3GHz" and if you click on "Comparative
Comparisons" in the right hand panel it shows 1.3GHz as the fastest
Duron. However, if you click on "AMD Duron™ Configuration Information"
in the panel at the right, then on "AMD Duron™ Recommended
Motherboards", in the Processor drop-down therer are Durons up to 1800 -
and they name them xx00. Duh! Hey, AMD, want to employ me to sort your
website out?


I Googled after the Elite L7VMM3(Pro 2500PR) system and found that
this has a 1.4GHz Duron.

http://www.redstore.com/fx/prc_gen.p...=308&offset=20

Still, at £61.10 it is a very good buy for an integrated system. But it
appears that the labelling 'Pro 2500PR' after the name has been added
by Aria ;-). So the spec should be taken with a pinch of salt. But in
spite of that, it seems good value.

Kez wrote:

Parish wrote:
Paul Hopwood wrote:

Every buyer who has approached me when looking to buy a PC has been
under the impression that a 1800XP, 2000XP runs at 1.8GHz, 2.0Ghz
etc.

If you mean "every" literally then I must admit that I'm surprised.
AMD don't shout about the core speeds but every review/test of Athlon
XPs I've seen has explained the nomenclature and given the core
speed. Dabs, Novatech, my local PC shop, and even PC World all state
the core speed of Athlons on their websites so it's widely-known.

IMHO anyone who thinks 2000XP is 2.0GHz hasn't even done the most
basic research into what they are (considering) buying and so perhaps
they shouldn't be playing with computers but stick to Etch-a-Sketch.
I wonder if these people would buy a Peugeot 205 expecting a
2.05litre (or 205bhp) engine?

Of course, this has all gone of at a slight tangent because the OP was
complaining about a Duron and AMD market those with their core speed,
just like Intel.

The truth may be in the small print but if they were "open" about it
they'd stick it on the chips!

System builders are almost certainly not deceived by it but they do
little to dissuade the buying public from believing it. I've seen
adverts for "2GHz systems" which are in fact Athlon 2000XP based etc.

my saxo with a 106 gti engine has 130bhp

perhaps i should sue peugeot?


LOL :-)

;-)

Paul Hopwood wrote:

It's exactly the same thing; a marketing ploy to make people believe
they're getting something they're not and most customers fall for it.
Every buyer who has approached me when looking to buy a PC has been
under the impression that a 1800XP, 2000XP runs at 1.8GHz, 2.0Ghz etc.

No doubt those people are the same people who think that MHz/GHz is a
measure of actual performance and are the same people that have made it
necessary for AMD to adopt such a naming scheme. ISTR reading that AMD
were keen to push an objective performance rating as the new way of
describing chip performance but other, particularly Intel weren't that
keen. At the moment it seems Intel's strategy is to increase pipeline
length and get a CPU that often does slightly LESS per clock but gives
your more clock cycles per second, I certainly prefer AMD's way of
sticking with the decent technology and changing the marketing as
opposed to the other way around.
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In article , Fat Freddy's
Cat writes

hmmmm - i think you'll find that all marketing of this type *is* designed to
deceive.

remove the words "of this type" from the sentence above and you have the
classic definition of marketing.

Parish wrote:

Every buyer who has approached me when looking to buy a PC has been
under the impression that a 1800XP, 2000XP runs at 1.8GHz, 2.0Ghz etc.

If you mean "every" literally then I must admit that I'm surprised. AMD
don't shout about the core speeds but every review/test of Athlon XPs
I've seen has explained the nomenclature and given the core speed. Dabs,
Novatech, my local PC shop, and even PC World all state the core speed
of Athlons on their websites so it's widely-known.

If not every, certainly the vast majority. People tend to approach me
because they know little about computers and want honest independent
advice (I don't tend to sell PCs) and don't know where to look or what
they're looking for, or lack any interest in doing so.

I'm sure there are a proportion of buyers who do their own research
and find this information for themselves but I'd wager those people
are more IT literate in the first place and are not typical of the
marketplace as a whole. If it were companies like PC World would
probably cease to operate.

IMHO anyone who thinks 2000XP is 2.0GHz hasn't even done the most basic
research into what they are (considering) buying and so perhaps they
shouldn't be playing with computers but stick to Etch-a-Sketch. I wonder
if these people would buy a Peugeot 205 expecting a 2.05litre (or
205bhp) engine?

Some people consider a PC simply as a business or personal
productivity tool.

I happen to be professionally involved in computers and have a
personal interest in cars so those purchases I research in detail, as
much for the pleasure of attaining the knowledge as the ability to
make an "informed purchase".

If I want a washing machine I don't do masses of research; I have
neither the understanding of what makes a good washing machine nor
interest in gaining any. It's simply not worth my time; a washing
machine is something I *need* not desire so ask someone I think might
know. Many people regard computers or cars in exactly the same way;
and thank God they do, otherwise I'd probably have to earn an honest
living doing a "proper job". g

Of course, this has all gone of at a slight tangent because the OP was
complaining about a Duron and AMD market those with their core speed,
just like Intel.

More of a right-angle than slight tangent! ;-)

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Paul Hopwood wrote:

Parish wrote:

Every buyer who has approached me when looking to buy a PC has been
under the impression that a 1800XP, 2000XP runs at 1.8GHz, 2.0Ghz etc.

If you mean "every" literally then I must admit that I'm surprised. AMD
don't shout about the core speeds but every review/test of Athlon XPs
I've seen has explained the nomenclature and given the core speed. Dabs,
Novatech, my local PC shop, and even PC World all state the core speed
of Athlons on their websites so it's widely-known.


Ah, right, I interpreted your comment to mean that you are a
retailer/system builder (since you called them buyers). Obviously they
are doing research before buying, which is a good thing.

If not every, certainly the vast majority. People tend to approach me
because they know little about computers and want honest independent
advice (I don't tend to sell PCs) and don't know where to look or what
they're looking for, or lack any interest in doing so.

I'm sure there are a proportion of buyers who do their own research
and find this information for themselves but I'd wager those people
are more IT literate in the first place and are not typical of the
marketplace as a whole. If it were companies like PC World would
probably cease to operate.

IMHO anyone who thinks 2000XP is 2.0GHz hasn't even done the most basic
research into what they are (considering) buying and so perhaps they
shouldn't be playing with computers but stick to Etch-a-Sketch. I wonder
if these people would buy a Peugeot 205 expecting a 2.05litre (or
205bhp) engine?

Some people consider a PC simply as a business or personal
productivity tool.

I happen to be professionally involved in computers and have a
personal interest in cars so those purchases I research in detail, as
much for the pleasure of attaining the knowledge as the ability to
make an "informed purchase".

If I want a washing machine I don't do masses of research; I have
neither the understanding of what makes a good washing machine nor
interest in gaining any. It's simply not worth my time; a washing
machine is something I *need* not desire so ask someone I think might
know. Many people regard computers or cars in exactly the same way;
and thank God they do, otherwise I'd probably have to earn an honest
living doing a "proper job". g

Of course, this has all gone of at a slight tangent because the OP was
complaining about a Duron and AMD market those with their core speed,
just like Intel.

More of a right-angle than slight tangent! ;-)

In message , Johannes H Andersen
writes
I must say that then you're easily deceived.

He must be he thinks he;'s a cat fer christ sake -
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:40:08 +0000, Paul Hopwood wrote:

I'm sure there are a proportion of buyers who do their own research and
find this information for themselves but I'd wager those people are more
IT literate in the first place and are not typical of the marketplace as a
whole. If it were companies like PC World would probably cease to
operate.

Perhaps, then again they'd probably find they really were able to provide
a higher standard of service. Then again a more technically aware
customer base may not need it.

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Ian.

EOM

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:42:03 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

In article , Fat Freddy's
Cat writes

hmmmm - i think you'll find that all marketing of this type *is* designed
to deceive.

remove the words "of this type" from the sentence above and you have the
classic definition of marketing.

Must make it difficult when it really is a good product being sold.

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Ian.

EOM