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  #11  
Old December 21st 03, 10:26 AM
John Lewis
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:40:30 GMT, Darthy
wrote:

As it goes in this area... the GOOD cards always go so fast... while
the low end crap seems to linger like a piece of poo that won't let go
of your spinctor while your date is waiting.

If you look on the net, the stock of GF4 Ti cards are almost gone...
very soon, we cannot recommend this card to anyone since they won't be
able to buy it!!

Look on Pricewatch... the Ti4200s fit on a single page (as do the 4400
& 4600s) - when a few months ago there were 10+ pages... Compare
this to the selection of 17+ pages for fx52000 cards.

Ti4000 series, you did very well. You lasted long until the ATI9700
took the crown away, but you had everything below that card in your
pocket.


Must be a typo. surely you meant FX5700 ??

( Which is actually a true picture. The 5700 is the new midrange card
in both price and performance from nVidia, just as the 4200 and 4400
originally were in the 4000 series )

The Ati9700 is now out of production. Still quite a few are around
of course.

If not a typo, beware a TROLL on the nVidia newsgroup.......

John Lewis

Ti4000 series, you showed how well you were engineered by the simple
fact that your younger sisters, most of the FXs doesn't out run you.

One thing that is a FACT, look at these posts in this newsgroup - I
doubt there has everbeen one that said "Ti4200 SUCKS!" - while there
are posts everyday by unhappy customers of fx5200s... you're so
called"replacements"... and its sad to see that when you're gone -
people will still be buying GF2-MX cards (6 pages on pricwatch)

Ti4200, you deserve to have a longer life... to BE that $40~50
replacement card... rather than MX400 or the 440MX... The GF5's (fx)
have yet to gain the respect that you earned easily so long ago.


R I P good Card...


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When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!


  #12  
Old December 21st 03, 10:38 AM
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:59:46 GMT, Darthy
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:31:43 +0100, "Flow" wrote:

Maybe the fx5700 will do any good?
Let's see what this card will do in future.
b.t.w. im still happy with my ti4400.


Get the 5900XT = $200 faster than 5700 Ultra but same price.


But slower than the non-XT 5900/128Meg for ~ $219.
Beware of both the XT and SE designations by the
board vendors. Both are inferior-performance versions
of the 5900 -- slower memory (700MHz vs 850MHz )
and/or slower GPU.

And sometimes the vendors are very deliberately
deceitful, such as Gainward and XFX who uses "5900"
to describe both the normal and inferior cards.

Look at the manufacturer's spec for that specific
manufacturer's full part-number before leaping !!!

Caveat Emptor ---- let the buyer beware.

John Lewis




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Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!


  #13  
Old December 21st 03, 10:29 PM
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The GF4 ti4x00 will always be a classic.

Nvidia should have kept the ti4200 and made it the low end (MX) card instead
of the terrible FX5200 series. They did it before. They took the GF2
Ultra, pumped up the memory and called it a GF4 MX440.

Dave


"Darthy" wrote in message
...
As it goes in this area... the GOOD cards always go so fast... while
the low end crap seems to linger like a piece of poo that won't let go
of your spinctor while your date is waiting.

If you look on the net, the stock of GF4 Ti cards are almost gone...
very soon, we cannot recommend this card to anyone since they won't be
able to buy it!!

Look on Pricewatch... the Ti4200s fit on a single page (as do the 4400
& 4600s) - when a few months ago there were 10+ pages... Compare
this to the selection of 17+ pages for fx52000 cards.

Ti4000 series, you did very well. You lasted long until the ATI9700
took the crown away, but you had everything below that card in your
pocket.

Ti4000 series, you showed how well you were engineered by the simple
fact that your younger sisters, most of the FXs doesn't out run you.

One thing that is a FACT, look at these posts in this newsgroup - I
doubt there has everbeen one that said "Ti4200 SUCKS!" - while there
are posts everyday by unhappy customers of fx5200s... you're so
called"replacements"... and its sad to see that when you're gone -
people will still be buying GF2-MX cards (6 pages on pricwatch)

Ti4200, you deserve to have a longer life... to BE that $40~50
replacement card... rather than MX400 or the 440MX... The GF5's (fx)
have yet to gain the respect that you earned easily so long ago.


R I P good Card...


--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!


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Old December 22nd 03, 01:06 PM
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:29:49 -0800, "DaveL"
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The GF4 ti4x00 will always be a classic.

Nvidia should have kept the ti4200 and made it the low end (MX) card instead
of the terrible FX5200 series. They did it before. They took the GF2
Ultra, pumped up the memory and called it a GF4 MX440.

Dave


Yep... logically, a Ti4200 would have made a CHEAPER and more
sucessful LOW-END card for todays PCs... Imagine THIS as a current
GPU line up... that makes sense:

$400 5950 Ultra
$300 5900 Ultra
$200 5900
$150 5700Ultra
$120 5700
$ 75 5600Ultra
$ 50 Ti4200-64mb


But instead we got a bloody mess of cross-over products spaning 3
generations DX7 (GF2mx/GF4mx) a few FX8 cards and then the GF5 series.

Realize this... I bet you for at least another 12 months, you'll still
find GF2mx/GF4MX cards on retail outlets STILL... for $30~50 - with NO
GF4Ti cards... this is already happened.

We junk are we up to now?

5950Ultra
5950 (128mb version?)
5900 Ultra 256mb
5900 Ultra
5900
5900XT
5900SE
5800Ultra
5800
5700Ultra 256mb
5700Ultra
5700
5600Ultra 256mb
5600Ultra (FC2)
5600Ultra
5600 256mb
5600
5600 256mb
5200Ultra 256mb
5200Ultra
5200 256mb
5200
5200 64bit 128mb
5200 64bit 64mb
5200 64bit PCI 64mb

(Won't touch the Go series)

That's 25 different chip types... of course 3~5 of them are no longer
being marketed, some are still in the channel.

Then add the moron company Gainward to call them ALL Ultras.


--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!
  #16  
Old December 29th 03, 02:42 AM
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Darthy wrote in message . ..
As it goes in this area... the GOOD cards always go so fast... while
the low end crap seems to linger like a piece of poo that won't let go
of your spinctor while your date is waiting.

If you look on the net, the stock of GF4 Ti cards are almost gone...
very soon, we cannot recommend this card to anyone since they won't be
able to buy it!!

Look on Pricewatch... the Ti4200s fit on a single page (as do the 4400
& 4600s) - when a few months ago there were 10+ pages... Compare
this to the selection of 17+ pages for fx52000 cards.

Ti4000 series, you did very well. You lasted long until the ATI9700
took the crown away, but you had everything below that card in your
pocket.

Ti4000 series, you showed how well you were engineered by the simple
fact that your younger sisters, most of the FXs doesn't out run you.

One thing that is a FACT, look at these posts in this newsgroup - I
doubt there has everbeen one that said "Ti4200 SUCKS!" - while there
are posts everyday by unhappy customers of fx5200s... you're so
called"replacements"... and its sad to see that when you're gone -
people will still be buying GF2-MX cards (6 pages on pricwatch)

Ti4200, you deserve to have a longer life... to BE that $40~50
replacement card... rather than MX400 or the 440MX... The GF5's (fx)
have yet to gain the respect that you earned easily so long ago.


R I P good Card...



Just came across this but it is beautifully said. It used to be that
you could always count on at least one company to get it right, the
Voodoo chip, the Rendition V1000/V2000, the TnT/TnT2. All of these
made for great videocards, and you had your choice of
Creative,Diamond,Canopus,S3 even Sierra had their own card with the
latest chip for a while. Your choice was only which board manufacturer
you favored and the xtras they put in the box Their is nothing to get
excited about these days without the competition to keep things hot,
all we got is one company just leg upping the other with confusing
names and promises.

I think I will hang on to my TI4200 for as long as I can. With any
luck till PCI express kills the whole Agp Golem and the companys start
over.
  #17  
Old December 29th 03, 06:19 AM
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How is PCI express going to make the companies start over?

Dave


"IlanAvraham" wrote in message
om...
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I think I will hang on to my TI4200 for as long as I can. With any
luck till PCI express kills the whole Agp Golem and the companys start
over.


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Old December 29th 03, 11:20 PM
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"DaveL" wrote in message ...
How is PCI express going to make the companies start over?

Dave


"IlanAvraham" wrote in message
om...
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I think I will hang on to my TI4200 for as long as I can. With any
luck till PCI express kills the whole Agp Golem and the companys start
over.


Well not start over in the literal sense, but get back to making video
cards that make them a profit, dont empty our pockets and give us the
same performance/price ration without a million version numbers and
all the latest benchmark bruhaha that has happened. Im hoping
PCI-Express will be a standard that will allow for more competition
and quality in videocards


Here is a link I found that seems to give a good summary of what to
expect.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1087
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Old December 31st 03, 11:40 PM
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[Snippage: the 4200 was a damn fine card, and in a better world still be
produced and sold at around $50.00 as a budget option.]

So is the Ti4200 still worth what it's selling for (when it's available)?
US$75.00 - $85.00?

I don't think I've heard a bad thing about it, and it seems to be ideal for
what I'm looking
for. I do light gaming on an older machine, and I tend not to buy anything
(software or hardware) when it first comes out, preferring to wait for
positive reviews and the prices to drop. Overall, I'm at least a year --
more like 2 -- behind the curve in every respect. One of the benefits of
this strategy (apart from general health of wallet) is that I can take my
time assessing things before buying them. One of the drawbacks is that this
market moves so freakin' fast that it's easy to miss the best windows as
they open and close.

I really like what I've seen and heard about the 4200, and I'm worried that
the price is going to start spiking as the things become scarcer. But I
don't want to buy if it's going to be hopelessly obsolete -- or if the price
of the newer cards (say the 5600 Ultra) is set to start dropping
precipitously. What are the odds that it'll be compatible with a new(ish)
motherboard 12 months from now?

Opinions?

Dom "Ditherer" Powell


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Old January 2nd 04, 02:23 PM
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:40:09 -0800, "Dom Powell"
wrote:

[Snippage: the 4200 was a damn fine card, and in a better world still be
produced and sold at around $50.00 as a budget option.]

So is the Ti4200 still worth what it's selling for (when it's available)?
US$75.00 - $85.00?


yep.... why pay $100 for slower.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...ournament_2003

I really like what I've seen and heard about the 4200, and I'm worried that
the price is going to start spiking as the things become scarcer. But I
don't want to buy if it's going to be hopelessly obsolete -- or if the price


Everything is hopeless... If the OTHER cheap cards are slower today,
they will be slower tomorrow.

of the newer cards (say the 5600 Ultra) is set to start dropping
precipitously. What are the odds that it'll be compatible with a new(ish)
motherboard 12 months from now?


They'll be just as INCOMPATIBLE with the new PCI-Express boards in
12months as any other AGP card.

Spend $85 get the Ti4200... spend $195 for a GF5900XT... or spend $239
for the ATI9800PRO from microcenter.



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